This is what I have. It ties to my husband's first cousin' s wife's lineage. Hope it helps Descendants of Johann Philip MUENCH - 3 Nov 1999 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIRST GENERATION 1. Johann Philip MUENCH was born in Germany. He died in Germany. Johann Philip MUENCH had the following children: +2 i. Simon MUENCH. SECOND GENERATION 2. Simon MUENCH was born on 21 Jul 1700 in Mechtersheim, Speyer, Bavaria, Germany. He died on 17 Feb 1782 in Bern TWP., Berks Co, PA. He was married to Anna Maria Katharina SCHENK (daughter of Johann Jacob SCHENK) on 17 Aug 1728 in Germany. Anna Maria Katharina SCHENK was born about Jan 1700 in Germany. She died on 12 Dec 1773 in Berks Co, PA. Simon MUENCH and Anna Maria Katharina SCHENK had the following children: 3 i. Maria Barbara MUENCH was born on 21 Nov 1729 in Germany. She died on 17 Mar 1734/35 in Germany. 4 ii. Maria Catharina MUENCH was born on 20 Mar 1729/30. She died. 5 iii. Johann Nikolaus MUENCH was born on 22 Jun 1732 in Germany. He died on 27 May 1807 in District Twp., Berks Co., PA. +6 iv. John Christopher MUENCH. 7 v. Maria Apollonia MUENCH was born on 26 Feb 1734/35 in Germany. 8 vi. John George Michael MUENCH was born about 1740 in Bern TWP., Berks Co, PA. He died about 1798 in Green Twp., Franklin Co., Pennsylvania. 9 vii. Maria Appolonia MUENCH was born on 15 Aug 1742 in Pennsylvania. She died on 29 Jan 1815 in Pennsylvania. 10 viii. Baby Female MUENCH was born. THIRD GENERATION 6. John Christopher MUENCH was born on 6 Jun 1734 in Gommersheim, Germany. He died about 1806 in Berks Co, PA. He was married to Anna Maria Barbara HOLDER on 6 Mar 1757. Anna Maria Barbara HOLDER was born. She died. John Christopher MUENCH and Anna Maria Barbara HOLDER had the following children: 11 i. John George Michael MINNICH was born on 6 Feb 1758. 12 ii. John Philip MINNICH was born on 1 Nov 1759. 13 iii. Mary Margaret MINNICH was born on 8 Nov 1762. 14 iv. Jonathan MINNICH was born on 24 Feb 1764. He died on 24 Apr 1844. +15 v. Catharina MUENCH. 16 vi. Christina MINNICH was born about 1771. 17 vii. Anna Maria MINNICH was born about 1774. 18 viii. Adam MINNICH was born about 1776 in Bern TWP., Berks Co, PA. He died on 20 May 1858 in Centre Twp., Berks Co., PA. 19 ix. Elizabeth MINNICH was born about 1778 in Bern TWP., Berks Co, PA. 20 x. Benjamin MINNICH was born on 17 Mar 1786. He died on 23 Sep 1832 in Heidelberg Twp., Pennsylvania. 21 xi. Jacob MINNICH was born. 22 xii. Magdalena MINNICH was born. FOURTH GENERATION 15. Catharina MUENCH was born about 1769 in Berks Co, PA. She died about 1849 in Venango County, PA. She was married to John George LESHER (son of John LESHER and Anna Catharine WOHLFAHRT) on 10 Nov 1794 in Stouchesburg, Berks Co, PA. John George LESHER was born on 25 Feb 1774 in Tulpehocken TWP., Berks Co, PA. He died about 1849 in Cranberry TWP., Venango Co, Pennsylvania. Catharina MUENCH and John George LESHER had the following children: 23 i. Mary Ann LESHER was born on 7 Oct 1796 in Berks Co, PA. She died on 20 May 1872 in Venango County, PA. +24 ii. Catharine LESHER. 25 iii. John LESHER was born on 29 Oct 1800 in Berks Co, PA. He died on 19 Jan 1883 in Venango County, PA. 26 iv. Martha LESHER was born on 6 Jun 1803 in Berks Co, PA. She died on 16 Dec 1867 in Venango County, PA. 27 v. Abraham LESHER was born about Apr 1805 in Berks Co, PA. He died on 22 Jun 1890 in Venango County, PA. 28 vi. Jonathan LESHER was born on 17 Mar 1807 in Rehrersburg, Berks Co., PA. He died on 1 Dec 1884 in Venango County, PA. 29 vii. Barbara LESHER was born about 1810. She died. 30 viii. Elizabeth LESHER was born on 24 Oct 1812 in Berks Co, PA. She died on 28 Dec 1885 in Richland Twp., Venango Co., PA. 31 ix. David LESHER was born about 1814. He died about 1837. FIFTH GENERATION 24. Catharine LESHER was born on 10 Sep 1798 in Berks Co, PA. She died on 9 Jan 1875 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. She was married to Jacob ZIEGLER (son of Peter ZIEGLER and Unknown DAWSON) on 15 Oct 1815 in Centre Co, PA. Jacob ZIEGLER was born on 5 Dec 1791 in York Co, PA. He died on 4 May 1868 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. Catharine LESHER and Jacob ZIEGLER had the following children: 32 i. Henry ZIEGLER was born on 19 Aug 1816 in Old Fort, Pennsylvania. He died on 26 Nov 1898 in Selinsgrove, Pennsylvania. 33 ii. Mary ZIEGLER was born on 11 Jan 1819. She died on 17 Dec 1899. +34 iii. Susanna ZIEGLER. +35 iv. John Jacob ZIEGLER. +36 v. E.J. David ZIEGLER. 37 vi. Catharine ZIEGLER was born on 18 May 1833. She died on 25 Feb 1858. 38 vii. Abraham Martin ZIEGLER was born on 22 Sep 1836 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. He died on 18 Mar 1920 in Oil City, Venango Co, PA. SIXTH GENERATION 34. Susanna ZIEGLER was born on 16 Sep 1821. She died. Joseph MILLER (son of Tobias F. MILLER and Catherine SCHNURE) was born. He died. 35. John Jacob ZIEGLER was born on 2 Apr 1824 in Old Fort, Pennsylvania. He died on 13 Sep 1894 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. He was married to Fannie MILLER (daughter of Tobias F. MILLER and Catherine SCHNURE) on 11 May 1893. Fannie MILLER was born on 24 Nov 1821. She died on 20 Apr 1899. 36. E.J. David ZIEGLER was born on 29 Oct 1826 in Sinking Valley, Huntington Co, PA. He died on 5 May 1895 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. Sarah MILLER (daughter of Tobias F. MILLER and Catherine SCHNURE) was born on 29 Feb 1828. She died on 28 Apr 1921 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. E.J. David ZIEGLER and Sarah MILLER had the following children: 39 i. Jacob Fisher ZIEGLER was born on 7 Jul 1849 in Venango County, PA. He died. 40 ii. George H. ZIEGLER was born on 21 Mar 1851. He died on 4 Oct 1924. 41 iii. Lorena ZIEGLER was born on 2 Mar 1853. She died. 42 iv. Mary Priscilla ZIEGLER was born on 21 Aug 1855. She died. +43 v. William ZIEGLER Sr.. 44 vi. David Emery ZIEGLER was born on 4 Mar 1860 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. He died. +45 vii. Sarah Annetta ZIEGLER. 46 viii. Frank ZIEGLER was born on 3 Nov 1864. He died on 6 Feb 1892. 47 ix. Katherine Lavenia ZIEGLER was born on 14 Oct 1866. She died. SEVENTH GENERATION 43. William ZIEGLER Sr. was born on 29 Dec 1857 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. He died. He was married to Susan Elizabeth CROPP (daughter of John Levi CROPP and Catherine Jane SHREFFLER). Susan Elizabeth CROPP was born on 14 Mar 1862 in Nickleville, Pennsylvania. She died on 16 Mar 1900 in Venango County, Pennsylvania. She was buried in Mt. Zion Cemetery, Venango Co., Pennsylvania. William ZIEGLER Sr. and Susan Elizabeth CROPP had the following children: 48 i. Harold ZIEGLER. 49 ii. Nellie ZIEGLER was born. She died. 50 iii. Ina ZIEGLER was born. She died. 51 iv. Orrel ZIEGLER was born. He died. 52 v. Sarah ZIEGLER was born. She died. +53 vi. William ZIEGLER Jr.. 45. Sarah Annetta ZIEGLER was born on 22 May 1862 in Maple Shade, Venango Co, PA. She died on 5 Jul 1946 in Tulsa, Tulsa Co., Oklahoma. She was married to Elias W. SHAFFER.. EIGHTH GENERATION 53. William ZIEGLER Jr. died in 1938. He was born. Mary LOBAUGH was born. She died. William ZIEGLER Jr. and Mary LOBAUGH had the following children: +54 i. Harry ZIEGLER. +55 ii. Doris Elizabeth ZIEGLER. NINTH GENERATION 54. Harry ZIEGLER. Harry ZIEGLER had the following children: +56 i. Sandra L. ZIEGLER. +57 ii. Cheryl ZIEGLER. +58 iii. Marianne ZIEGLER. 55. Doris Elizabeth ZIEGLER was born on 27 May 1919 in Oil City, Venango Co., Pennsylvania. She died on 30 Apr 1988 in Kalispell, Flathead Co., Montana. She was buried in Missoula, Missoula Co., Montana. She was married to Delbert Raymond "Doc" POCKRUS (son of Marion POCKRUS and Ada Florence PRATT) on 11 Nov 1944. Delbert Raymond "Doc" POCKRUS was born on 29 Jan 1922 in Maud, Pottawatomie Co., OK. Doris Elizabeth ZIEGLER and Delbert Raymond "Doc" POCKRUS had the following children: +59 i. William Ray POCKRUS. +60 ii. John Millard POCKRUS. > Hi Helene: > > Where do your husband's Muenchs come from? My husband's grandmother was a > Muench. > > Regards, > Claudine

Could anyone help me with where the birth/death records for the early 1900s for Polentz bei Greitz would be located now? I am seeking data on the Knipfer family. Thanks Cary

Hi, I am looking for Johann Andreas Stroman, born 1658 in Mühlhausen/Thüringen. In 1712 he moved to the island Norderney in Ostfriesland where he was Lutheran pastor until 1720. Then he moved with his family to Westerholt(Ostfriesland, being pastor there. He died in 1732. He was married with Clara Decker, but I don't know where she came from - may be also from Mühlhausen. His children were born in Norderney and Westerholt, but perhaps some already before. Because he was already age 54 when he came to Norderney, I think he must have been pastor before, may be in Mühlhausen. However, I cannot exclude that there was a "station between" Mühlhausen and Norderney. Who is doing research in Mühlhausen? Has someone access to church records or LDS films? Where can I find church records? Archive addresses? Is there a reliable genealogist around Mühlhausen? Thanks in advance! Gerd Sender: [email protected]

Does anyone know where I can find out what Church records are available for G�rlitz (east of Dresden) in the early to mid 1600's. Also any history of the town. I have tried the FHLC with no results. Thank you, Barb

Can anyone help me with the location of the following village: Obernesterwind This was given as the birthplace of my gr gr grandfather. I assume that it is close to Unterglottertal, as that is where my gr grandmother was born. The person sending me the information wrote question marks next to the name of the village, so I am supposing that the records might have been hard to decipher. Perhaps the village is not even in Germany!? Thanks for any help! Rosemary <[email protected]>

Ruyle Muench Schenck Straube Ziegler Geiger Helene Pockrus wrote: > Someone on the list ask me to post this story about our trip! Hope it > doesn't upset anyone. If so just delete it! > Helene > > After a month of being in Germany and Austria we are home! > What beautiful country and what fun we had! Met cousins, > were wined and dined by family I didn't know I had, and got genealogy on > > my family von Metnitz back to 793 and Pflaummer to 1139 ! > The latter is my grandmother's lineage. Have copies of everything the > archives had in Klagenfurt on my Metnitz family. They copied all of it > in exchange for a microfilm copy they wanted of my Grandmother's > genealogy book she co-wrote in the 1920-30s with professional > researchers. We were walked by courthouse department heads (who > locked their offices) to our cemetery where I was able to see my > grandparents and cousins graves. Two museums that were locked were > opened to show us things they felt we needed to see in both Metnitz (the > > town) (where the Metnitz family arrived from France in 790) and in > Klangenfurt where the Metnitz family were one of the earliest families > in the Corinthia area. They were there before 1200s; this after an > upset with the Bishop of Gurk who razed their castle in Metnitz. > Met a cousin in Weissenburg that the courthouse persons directed me > to. He promptly locked his restaurant and Brewery (now defunct) and > took us to his home to show us his chart of the Pflaummer family from > 1100. He lived in the home of his family and was the 5th generation to > > live in it. The brewery had been in business from 1558 until a few > years ago, and of the 30 breweries in town there are now only 3 left. > I had the main line of this family but did not have the hundreds of > family members. He and I compared our material. Now I will send him a > copy of my book and he will make a large copy of the chart for me. It > was a chart on old parchment that was bigger than a map (like the old > school maps) and filled his dining room wall. It had been hand painted > and incribed by a teacher many years ago and he had added to it. All > the dates were on it! > In Klagenfurt Dr. Byenburg who was the town historian told me I had > > family there, a friend of his, and he called the cousin who had the same > > name as my father. They invited us to come to their old home (an early > castle that had been remodeled) and so we had afternoon "coffee" and > goodies with them and compared notes and found where he fit into the > family. > > He was also a second cousin. We were treated warmly and the pictures > and books came out to share. Their cute daughter will come to the USA > again this year. She speaks excellent English and her mother does really > > well, as she is a teacher and Carl did very well also. > The highlight of the trip however was when in Saalefeld, the town in > > what was the east sector of Germany after W.W.II where my father was > born.We went to the Rothaus and the gal didn't speak English. Showed > her > thatI wanted information on the family Metnitz and would like to find > the > graves of my grand parents. > She searched and searched. Finally a gentleman nonchalantly came in > eating an ice cream asked what she was doing ? > She told him and he asked us and again I showed him my > grandmother's book. He looked shocked! He went to his desk and picked > up some loose papers he had there and asked if I knew anything about > Carl or Gustav von Metnitz who went to Hamburg and then New York City. > Told him they were my father and one of his brothers who went to the > USA in 1926. I showed him who they were in the book. > He got on the phone and called the tourist bureau and had a gal come > over who spoke good English. > It seems that he had been working on this family as he had a letter from > > an attorney and a cousin who was claiming heir to my grandfather's > estate. He had told her she needed proof of the other children of my > father's brothers and sisters. He had sent the info to the archivist > who was to prove this. The letter was dated September 20, 1999. > We were there on the 1st of October. I had a lot of his answers. > He sent me home with copies of the letters and told > me the attorney wanted to contact me. Strange to say, my grandfather > died in 1910. His wife died in 1953. Their home had been bombed by > the Americans and the copper wire factory next door which they had > operated for many years as well. > If I had come in the day before the archivist hadn't been there and > if we had come the following 2 weeks he would have been on vacation as > he was leaving the next morning. His quote was, "It's magic". I had > saved him much work. Now the question is, what inheritance? Was it > possibly repatriation? If it is only a buck, the story is worth its > weight in gold. When grandmother died my dad's share was 600 dollars > approximately. This had been a family with great prestige and lots of > wealth over the centuries. > Now , how do you like that for a genealogical story? > > Will look forward to hearing from you. > Helene > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Brother, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected]

Judy Casper wrote: > I love the success stories, it keeps the walls from becoming too > insurmountable. Judy Along those lines I have had wonderful assistance from the Evan. Luth. parish at Kaltennordheim. In the last month I have found 6 new surnames!! Matthas, Orf, Taubert, Marschall, Schneider and Keller. Much work to do. Russ, El Cajon, CA

I love the success stories, it keeps the walls from becoming too insurmountable. Judy

Someone on the list ask me to post this story about our trip! Hope it doesn't upset anyone. If so just delete it! Helene After a month of being in Germany and Austria we are home! What beautiful country and what fun we had! Met cousins, were wined and dined by family I didn't know I had, and got genealogy on my family von Metnitz back to 793 and Pflaummer to 1139 ! The latter is my grandmother's lineage. Have copies of everything the archives had in Klagenfurt on my Metnitz family. They copied all of it in exchange for a microfilm copy they wanted of my Grandmother's genealogy book she co-wrote in the 1920-30s with professional researchers. We were walked by courthouse department heads (who locked their offices) to our cemetery where I was able to see my grandparents and cousins graves. Two museums that were locked were opened to show us things they felt we needed to see in both Metnitz (the town) (where the Metnitz family arrived from France in 790) and in Klangenfurt where the Metnitz family were one of the earliest families in the Corinthia area. They were there before 1200s; this after an upset with the Bishop of Gurk who razed their castle in Metnitz. Met a cousin in Weissenburg that the courthouse persons directed me to. He promptly locked his restaurant and Brewery (now defunct) and took us to his home to show us his chart of the Pflaummer family from 1100. He lived in the home of his family and was the 5th generation to live in it. The brewery had been in business from 1558 until a few years ago, and of the 30 breweries in town there are now only 3 left. I had the main line of this family but did not have the hundreds of family members. He and I compared our material. Now I will send him a copy of my book and he will make a large copy of the chart for me. It was a chart on old parchment that was bigger than a map (like the old school maps) and filled his dining room wall. It had been hand painted and incribed by a teacher many years ago and he had added to it. All the dates were on it! In Klagenfurt Dr. Byenburg who was the town historian told me I had family there, a friend of his, and he called the cousin who had the same name as my father. They invited us to come to their old home (an early castle that had been remodeled) and so we had afternoon "coffee" and goodies with them and compared notes and found where he fit into the family. He was also a second cousin. We were treated warmly and the pictures and books came out to share. Their cute daughter will come to the USA again this year. She speaks excellent English and her mother does really well, as she is a teacher and Carl did very well also. The highlight of the trip however was when in Saalefeld, the town in what was the east sector of Germany after W.W.II where my father was born.We went to the Rothaus and the gal didn't speak English. Showed her thatI wanted information on the family Metnitz and would like to find the graves of my grand parents. She searched and searched. Finally a gentleman nonchalantly came in eating an ice cream asked what she was doing ? She told him and he asked us and again I showed him my grandmother's book. He looked shocked! He went to his desk and picked up some loose papers he had there and asked if I knew anything about Carl or Gustav von Metnitz who went to Hamburg and then New York City. Told him they were my father and one of his brothers who went to the USA in 1926. I showed him who they were in the book. He got on the phone and called the tourist bureau and had a gal come over who spoke good English. It seems that he had been working on this family as he had a letter from an attorney and a cousin who was claiming heir to my grandfather's estate. He had told her she needed proof of the other children of my father's brothers and sisters. He had sent the info to the archivist who was to prove this. The letter was dated September 20, 1999. We were there on the 1st of October. I had a lot of his answers. He sent me home with copies of the letters and told me the attorney wanted to contact me. Strange to say, my grandfather died in 1910. His wife died in 1953. Their home had been bombed by the Americans and the copper wire factory next door which they had operated for many years as well. If I had come in the day before the archivist hadn't been there and if we had come the following 2 weeks he would have been on vacation as he was leaving the next morning. His quote was, "It's magic". I had saved him much work. Now the question is, what inheritance? Was it possibly repatriation? If it is only a buck, the story is worth its weight in gold. When grandmother died my dad's share was 600 dollars approximately. This had been a family with great prestige and lots of wealth over the centuries. Now , how do you like that for a genealogical story? Will look forward to hearing from you. Helene

Your story was definitely worth sharing...........gives us all hope that someday the "magic" will be ours also. Thank you.

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Dear Anna, I just found this mailing list on "Cyndi's" web site. It's for "those with a genealogical interest in the former Prussian province of Schlesien (Silesia), which is mostly in Poland". It's called: SCHLESIEN-L Mailing List http://members.aol.com/gfsjohnf/gen_mail_country-pol.html#SCHLESIEN-L By the way, Cyndi's List page for Germany is: http://www.CyndisList.com/germany.htm Yours, Darlene R. Kritzman

I have just joined the list. My main reason was to start someplace. I have my family "von Metnitz" who came from France to Austria in 790 and then were in Austria at what is still the town Metnitz. Then after having their castle demolished by the Duke of Gurk(?) in the 1100s they settled in Klagenfurt (where I met a cousin)and I have extensive main line material on them there. I also have the family Pflaummer who settled in Weissenburg from the 1100s and just found I have a cousin there whom I met last week while in Europe for the first time. As these familis have a long and glorious history I have many lines that have married into them. I would like to be on a list for Klaggenfurt and Weissenburg and need advice as to where I should best be working. My father and his brother came to the USA in 1924 and then immigrated here in 1926. I find only 8 Metnitz listed in the phone directory that I checked on line, but lots of the Pflaummers. Would like t o be where I can assist others as I have a book of the families history that researchers and my grandmother and Uncle wrote in the 20-30 era. The families tie to many counts to King Barbarossa. I would appreciate any advice I can get, as I have mostly straight line lineage and not the children of t hese families except the one who carried my lineage foreward. Helene (von Metnitz) Pockrus

Good Monday All: Looking for information on LUBKEMANN, Wilhelm b. 15 Mar 1868 either Stolzenau or Nenndorf - Left Bremen on ship Eider in 1885, Siblings Mary S. & Fredrick - married GRAPER Caroline Lena b. 21 Mar 1878 Petershagen, Siblings: Walter & William. Would greatly appreciate any tidbit thrown my way. Thanks Denise P.

Dear subscribers, I have been a subscriber of this list for a while, having checked and answered your queries concerning your ancestors who were Hessian soldiers of the American Revolution. I will be leaving this mail list due to having too much volume in my mail box, but would welcome serious enquiries anytime to my private e-mail addy. Regards, John Helmut Merz, http://www.cgo. wave.ca/~hessian

Does anyone have a good on-line source for sample letters in German that one can customize to send to possible relatives one finds in the German on-line telephone book? --Mary Ann

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Just in case the previous URL is not working properly, I am also including my home page. Scroll to the bottom of the page and click on the link regarding "Unknown Veregge". Again, please keep in mind that this information is from a distant cousin of mine. We think that my great-great grandfather, William Frederick WATERHOLTER, may have been a son or a grandson of Johann and Anna Catharina WATERHOLTER. Hopefully, we can find the missing links and close the gap between my great-great grandfather and the family he left behind in Germany around 1849-1850. Again, thank you for your understanding and patience. Pat ========================================== > >http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Patricia-A-McCoy > > l > > > > > > > > >==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > > >Brother, > > >Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > > >Ask me why..... mailto:[email protected] > > > > > >

I'm still trying to figure out how to post this information in plain text so that people on this list can read it. It looks like this computer does not want to cooperate very much! Pat McCoy ============================================================ http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Patricia-A-McCoy/GENE13-0001.html

I'm hoping this posting of the URL comes out in plain text as I understand that not all e-mail programs are able to read Rich-Text-Format. If not, then I'm stumped as to how to make this NETSCAPE e-mail program do what I need it to do. If anyone is familiar with NETSCAPE and knows how to make it switch to plain text. Please let me know. Also, please keep in mind that this information is from a distant cousin of mine. We feel that my great-great grandfather, William Frederick WATERHOLTER may have been a son or a grandson of Johann and Anna Catharina WATERHOLTER. We are hoping to close the gap between my great-great grandfather and the family he left behind in Germany around 1849. Thanks! Pat McCoy ================================================ "http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/m/c/c/Patricia-A-McCoy/GENE13-0001.html"