Helene, Dieter is right on. You must not be old enough to remember "whalebone corsets". The ribs or "stays" that the fabric enclosed in the construction was indeed made of whalebone in the days before plastics. Although he's not quite accurate about a whale being a fish, they are mammal. Patricia SCHUBERT Zippin >Dieter the Engllis language has some strange words and you work so hard >with our crazy language but what a laugh you just gave to me as you did >a typical combination German style with you new word"manufactory". It >tells so well exactly what you meant! Sad to say we do not have such a >word that I know of but I vote we take this one on! >Helene > >Dieter Taube wrote: > > > > Sue Plunkett wrote: > > > > > Hi Dieter - Today I received a copy of a New York City marriage >certificate > > > dated 1869. > > > My ggreat uncle has his occupation listed as "fischbeinarbeiter". > > > Can you translate for me? Thank you. > > > > "Fischbein" is related to the English word "fishbone", it is some horny > > substance from the beard of a special whale - I don't know how to say > > in English. From this bone they made corsets. I think he worked >in a corset manufactory. > > > > > > * Dieter > > > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > > Subscribers: > > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

This reminds me of a story! When I was a very small child, our housekeeper went shopping for a new corset and found herself in the humiliating position of having a corset put on her and then they could not get it off and had to cut it off. My father would howl with laughterwhen he told us this story years later and our then stepmother would be furious with him! That is all I know of corsets! Helene Roger Stange wrote: > > Dieter > > Whalebone is exactly correct and from it they made what was called a > stay which became a part of the corset to give it some form. Afraid I > was born too late and not of the correct gender to give you any > additional information about corsets other than my grandmother wore > one!! > > Roger > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Subscribers: > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Dieter the Engllis language has some strange words and you work so hard with our crazy language but what a laugh you just gave to me as you did a typical combination German style with you new word"manufactory". It tells so well exactly what you meant! Sad to say we do not have such a word that I know of but I vote we take this one on! Helene Dieter Taube wrote: > > Sue Plunkett wrote: > > > Hi Dieter - Today I received a copy of a New York City marriage certificate > > dated 1869. > > My ggreat uncle has his occupation listed as "fischbeinarbeiter". > > Can you translate for me? Thank you. > > "Fischbein" is related to the English word "fishbone", it is some horny > substance from the beard of a special whale - I don't know how to say > in English. From this bone they made corsets. I think he worked in a corset manufactory. > > > * Dieter > > ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== > Subscribers: > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

Dieter Whalebone is exactly correct and from it they made what was called a stay which became a part of the corset to give it some form. Afraid I was born too late and not of the correct gender to give you any additional information about corsets other than my grandmother wore one!! Roger

I think you mean Lochum, which is northeast of Koblenz. You can find any town on earth at the URL below, in the Table of Links. Use the Town Locator for a variety of tools. Some use Soundex, which is helpful. ;~) Don http://go.to/Hessen ----- Original Message ----- From: Barb Dopp <bddopp@rconnect.com> I have a German document that says an ancestor came from Loccum.

Many thanks to those of you that helped me with my last reqeust. I have a German document that says an ancestor came from Loccum. Can't find it anyone know where it is? Thanks again Barb

e winkler wrote: > Dieter > good day....noticed you had info on Winkler family....I have been trying for > a long time to find any info. > > Gottleib Winkler from Gera..(as noted in news article) had 15 children > Fredrick J Winkler born 1826 and came to USA in 1852 was a stone mason > this is my GGGF.....other children of Gottleib were, Pauline, Otto Rienholt, > Gottlob, Lydia, Frank I cannot imagine that these Winklers have anything to do with the Winklers in Altenburg. > I have not been able to find any info on Gottleib or others...Any leads > greatly appreciated. It's time for you to evaluate the parish registers. Any findings by coincidence of the name Winkler are of no use. There are Billions of Winklers all over Germany. * Dieter

When you write to persons or archives in foreign countries you should include an international return coupon with your request. These coupons are available from your postoffice. Ask for a "IRC" and the postal clerk will know what you need. Each IRC will cost about $1.00 (American) and will be good for one return piece of mail. To Germany, the cost is $1.05. Carl

Would like to say thenks to those who sent info on the location of Effelsberg. Thanks,' Beverly

Has anyone heard of a recent date for the publishing of a new edition of Hans Bahlow, Dictionary of German Names, translated by Edda Gentry? It was supposed to have appeared months ago, and mine has been ordered long ago, but no one seems to know when it will finally appear. LaVerne ltboehmke@aol.com

Looking for German ancestors of: DAVID HOBELMANN born in 1814. WILHELM GIESING born November 25, 1824. JOHN A. GIESING born December 15, 1827. Martin Giesing mgiesing@fidnet.com

Hello list, My apologies if you receive this several times I am posting to 5 lists. A kind soul did some research for us in Germany at an address that we had for one of our Great Uncles in Schwerin and this is the information that she found for us. Robert HAHN born Aug 24, 1893 Stegers died July 30, 1956 married Pauline Wehner born at Ehefrau Aug 25, 1882 died Apr 15, 1955 Both died and are buried in Schwerin. Pauline's family were Anton Wehner and Therese Nietsch. Robert is my husband's Grandfather's brother and we are wondering if there were any children it wasn't mentioned on the death certificates. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Helen Alberta, Canada

Nancy M. Atkinson wrote: > My maternal great-grandfather's name was Gottlieb ZSCHAU. According to his naturalization papers he was born 28 September 1843 in WILLNAN or WELLNAN County of Merseburg, Prussian province of Saxony, Germany. I have not yet been able to find an actual town by the name of Wellnan near Merseburg. Previous gen list queries and a search of SHETLSEEKER have generated a number of possible alternatives for the town of WILLNAN/WELLNAN such as MILZAU, WOLLMEN and WALLENDORF. > However, since then I found an old letter from a suspected ZSCHAU relative (but the connection has not yet been found) from Chile corresponding with a Church in the town/village of SOELLICHAU regarding my ancestor. The Church wrote back in German but unfortunately I don't have a copy of the original letter, just an English translation of it. Anyway, the response was negative and the author was writing to my grandfather to inform him of the negative result. I'm not that discouraged about the results of that particular letter because at the time it was written Gottlieb ZSCHAU's birthdate was not known. The mystery to me is how and why they would have been writing to SOELLICHAU. There was no reference to Naturalization papers or any other source that gave any indication as to why SOELLICHAU. > > What's my question? Well, I was wondering whether anyone could find a link between SOELLICHAU and the suspected birth place of Gottlieb which is WILLNAN or WELLNAN in/near Merseburg. > Please let me know if you have any ideas. Here is one: Söllichau is 6 km northeast of Bad Düben (and 22 km east of Bitterfeld). Southeast of Söllichau is a village named Wöllnau (12 km far away), and about 7 km away in southwestern direction you find another village called Wellaune. All locations in 1843 belonged to the province of Saxony in Prussia, county of Merseburg. Today Söllichau is in Sachsen-Anhalt, but the both villages now belong to the Free State of Saxony. May be that you must search for documents in Saxony, too. Next to Wöllnau and Wellaune in Saxony are Bad Düben and Eilenburg. * Dieter

Does anyone know if or recommend that I include German stamps (for a return letter to the US) in my letter to the archives below? Any advice is appreciated. I am just trying to cover all the avenues to insure that I get a response from the archives. Thank you! -----Original Message----- From: Dieter.Taube@t-online.de [mailto:Dieter.Taube@t-online.de] Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2000 5:06 AM To: GERMAN-KINGDOMS-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMANKING] Coburg/Gotha/Altenburg/Meiningen Staatsarchiv Kris Benz-Hand asked: > Can anyone tell me if its necessary to send money and reply coupons with > letters requesting research to the above archives. I am in the process of > drafting letters to these archives requesting research of emigration data > that may exist for Sachsen-Coburg-Gotha, Sachsen-altenburg, and > Sachsen-Meiningen. I have also been advised that Staatsarchiv in Coburg > does not request any money unless information is found. Can anyone shed > some light on this issue? Every article I read advises something different! When I wrote to a Standesamt or Staatsarchive, they always firstly dug the data, then they sent me a bill and after they got the money they send the papers. Perhaps the procedure will be a little more quick if you declare in your writing that you intend to pay for all the costs. But some authorities are rather mistrustful and greedy of gain. * Dieter ==== GERMAN-KINGDOMS Mailing List ==== Subscribers: Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html

See this surnames list: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/surnames.htm And this site for interesting info about Franconia (and Bavaria): http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/history/frankenhome.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Don't forget to check sometimes the Genealogy pages: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/0.html Special researches: Freibott Family http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/1.html Limpert Family http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/4.html Index of family names: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7765/family/surnames.htm ------------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

I have some information about two German immigrant families ESTHERR and MASSANEK... if you are researching these, please contact me. Thanks. English/Deutsch Joh. Froebel-Parker

Lewis, I had a look for your Winkler family when working with the parish registers of Altenburg. Because I only regard the Baptism records from 1860 to 1875 at the moment I could not find Gustavus Rudolphus Winkler. But it may be of interest for you, that I saw a lot of Winklers there, frequently with Christian names containing "Gustav", evidently a traditional name within this family. * Dieter

William Gebhardt wrote: > Hallo Dieter, My gggranparents listed their Birthplace as Saxe-Meiningen > on the 1850 US Census. I have come across some records of Gebhardts who > were born in Geyer, Chemnitz, Sachsen. Was Geyer in the Duchy of > Saxe-Meiningen around 1820-1850? No. Geyer is south of Chemnitz and that means: In the Kingdom of Saxony. * Dieter

Looking for some help/advice. I've noticed a number of queries on the list lately referencing the Sachsen-Anhalt area of Germany and the surname variations SCHAUB, SCHWAB, SCHWABEN, etc. I can't help but wonder if it might be time for me to request some assistance once again. My maternal great-grandfather's name was Gottlieb ZSCHAU. According to his naturalization papers he was born 28 September 1843 in WILLNAN or WELLNAN County of Merseburg, Prussian province of Saxony, Germany. I have not yet been able to find an actual town by the name of Wellnan near Merseburg. Previous gen list queries and a search of SHETLSEEKER have generated a number of possible alternatives for the town of WILLNAN/WELLNAN such as MILZAU, WOLLMEN and WALLENDORF. However, since then I found an old letter from a suspected ZSCHAU relative (but the connection has not yet been found) from Chile corresponding with a Church in the town/village of SOELLICHAU regarding my ancestor. The Church wrote back in German but unfortunately I don't have a copy of the original letter, just an English translation of it. Anyway, the response was negative and the author was writing to my grandfather to inform him of the negative result. I'm not that discouraged about the results of that particular letter because at the time it was written Gottlieb ZSCHAU's birthdate was not known. The mystery to me is how and why they would have been writing to SOELLICHAU. There was no reference to Naturalization papers or any other source that gave any indication as to why SOELLICHAU. What's my question? Well, I was wondering whether anyone could find a link between SOELLICHAU and the suspected birth place of Gottlieb which is WILLNAN or WELLNAN in/near Merseburg. Please let me know if you have any ideas. Thanks, Nancy Nancy M. Atkinson e-mail: rascalz@worldnet.att.net homepage: http://home.att.net/~rascalz/genealogy.htm SEARCH my GEDCOM at Rootsweb: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=rascalz ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Researching Surnames England - ATKINSON, GLEDHILL (Halifax Yorkshire), TAYLOR (Lanchester, Durham) Germany - DICK, JUNG, ZSCHAU, GRIESBACH, LEIXNER, SCHMITT, SCHMIDT, GILCHER, MAURER, MERCKER, STROBEL, WEBER Connecticut & Massachusetts - BERARD Massachusetts - GAGUE Ireland - O'DONNELL, CANNON, SHEA, VALLELY

Please, The following ahnentafel is all I have, so: - I miss a lot of dates\places; - all of the ancestors of the numbers 4,5,6, Is there anybody on this list who will help me in adding some more persons\dates\places\history-details. I would be most grateful. Here is what I have. 1 Dietrich (Dedi) I (von Wettin?), died on July 13, 982, (He had from an unknown woman one son.) 2 Dedi I, Count in Thüringer- and in Sorbenmark, died in the year 957. 3 NN vom Harzgau. 4 Burchard III der Sorbenmark. 5 Mathilde von Hesse. 6 Friedrich vom Harzgau. 7 UNKNOWN \|/ (°_°) _ooO0_______0Ooo_ Leo Akershoek l.akershoek@hccnet.nl My hobby? - Digging-up dead relatives!