My Family ( Grandparents)are ;. Catholic- Farmers & woodcutters of Bohemian forest. Where exactly I do not know. It is said they spoke "Low German" Does this give me a lead of how to find them in Bohemia before they emigrated to Paltinossa, Suceava dist.of Austrian Empire ...now Romania, abt 1817 On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > >From Aida: I am highlighting some paragraphs of interest to us from the > article submitted by Mr. Krupnak which highlights our Bohemian-German > dialects spoken in Western Bohemia: > Iink: > > http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/reworking-of-german-language-classification-part-3-high-german/ > > *Oberpfälz North > Bavarian< > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janblotz/arnoldresearch3.htm > > > * (Oberpfälzerisch or Oberpfälzisch) is a language spoken in southeastern > Germany in central eastern and northeastern Bavaria from Regensburg, > Kelheim and the Bavarian Forest north along the Naab River to the > Fichtelgebirge (Fir Mountains) and in the Northern Bohemian Forest along > the border with Czechoslovakia. It is also spoken up by Neumarkt. > > According to residents (Kirmaier 2009), this is a separate language, not > intelligible with other German Bavarian lects. Dialects of this language > include *Danube Oberpfälzisch *, which, though different, is fully > intelligible with the Oberpfälzisch spoken in Neumarkt. This is the > Oberpfälzisch spoken along the Danube around the towns of Kelheim and > Regensburg. > > *Bohemian German*< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_in_the_Czech_Republic > >(Boehmerwaelderischish< > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN/2007-05/1178379647 > >) > is a High German language spoken in Czechoslovakia, Germany and the US. It > looks like both< > http://books.google.com/books?id=8uxfTF4Lm-kC&pg=PA598&lpg=PA598&dq=%22bohemian+german%22+dialect&source=bl&ots=4nnlM3ZukV&sig=yBfEQB1ndQSgikiFgVpWCo8C7_E&hl=en&ei=5mK-SYfdFJmQsQP5uPBD&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA597,M1 > >North > and Central Bavarian. > > *Egerland Bohemian > German*< > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/Heimatbrief_March_2000.pdf > >(Egerlaenderisch) > is spoken in Bischofteinitz, Mies, Tachau and Taus > Counties in the Czech Republic in Western Bohemia and in and around New > Ulm, Minnesota, where there are still speakers ranging from 52-98 years > old. In the Czech Republic, each village had a separate dialect, but all > dialects are intelligible. This appears to be a separate > language< > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN/2006-05/1147996153 > >from > Oberpfalz Northern Bavarian. > > This seems to be the same language as * Sechsämterland * spoken across the > border. The Sechsämterland dialect is spoken in the area around Selb, > Wunsiedel, Hohenberg and Thierstein in the far northeast of Bavaria near > the border with Czechoslovakia and Lower Saxony. > > Dialectal diversity is very high in this area, and every village has its > own dialect. > > *Lauterbach* is a divergent dialect spoken east of Tirschenreuth on the > Czech border. *Tiss* is a > divergent< > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/Heimatbrief_March_2003.pdf > >subdialect > of Egerland. > *Sangerberg* is a divergent Egerlaenderisch dialect spoken in Prameny, > Czechoslovakia. *Cheb (note from Aida: I never heard of a dialect named > "Cheb", as "Cheb" is the Czech translation for the city of Eger!) * is > spoken in the large German city of the same name. *Tachauer* is a dialect > that formed the > basis<http://www.members.shaw.ca/brianmerz/Genealogy/folklore.htm>for > the > * Machliniec* dialect spoken formerly spoken by the Carpathian Germans in > their language island in the Machliniec area of the Ukraine. They left > during WW2. > > *German Central Bavarian* is a group of Bavarian lects that are spoken in > Germany. This group includes Lower Bavarian, Upper Bavarian and *Lechrain > Bavarian* (Lechrainisch). Lechrain Bavarian is spoken in Western Bavaria > and is transitional to Swabian. Map of the Lechrain > region<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lechrain.svg>. > Lechrain is very > different< > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS/2001-10/1003966871 > >from > the rest of Bavarian, but intelligibility data is lacking. > > Lower Bavarian includes the Bohemian Forest language and many dialects. > > Upper Bavarian includes the Starnberg, Highland and Meisbach languages and > many dialects. > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *hwhitemc* "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak kindly." ...by Sam @ MTPR

Helen, the best way to find your family's origin is to go to the LDS Family Research Center in your area and look at the microfilms available (there are several rolls in alphabetical order of surnames) and you ca find them under the heading "Andsiedlerakten". This is a record of movement within the Austrian Hungarian Empire. If they went from Bohemia (part of the Empire) to Romania (which then was also part of the Empire) or from Bohemia to Galicia, for instance, their names should be recorded in that file. You could compare it to a move from one State of the US to another. There are records of these moves archived at the LDS. Good luck! Aida -------------------------------------- On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 8:33 AM, HELEN M WHITE <hwhitemc8309@gmail.com>wrote: > My Family ( Grandparents)are ;. Catholic- Farmers & woodcutters of > Bohemian forest. > Where exactly I do not know. It is said they spoke "Low German" > Does this give me a lead of how to find them in Bohemia before they > emigrated to > Paltinossa, Suceava dist.of Austrian Empire ...now Romania, abt 1817 > > On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:05 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >From Aida: I am highlighting some paragraphs of interest to us from > the > > article submitted by Mr. Krupnak which highlights our Bohemian-German > > dialects spoken in Western Bohemia: > > Iink: > > > > > http://robertlindsay.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/reworking-of-german-language-classification-part-3-high-german/ > > > > *Oberpfälz North > > Bavarian< > > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~janblotz/arnoldresearch3.htm > > > > > * (Oberpfälzerisch or Oberpfälzisch) is a language spoken in southeastern > > Germany in central eastern and northeastern Bavaria from Regensburg, > > Kelheim and the Bavarian Forest north along the Naab River to the > > Fichtelgebirge (Fir Mountains) and in the Northern Bohemian Forest along > > the border with Czechoslovakia. It is also spoken up by Neumarkt. > > > > According to residents (Kirmaier 2009), this is a separate language, not > > intelligible with other German Bavarian lects. Dialects of this language > > include *Danube Oberpfälzisch *, which, though different, is fully > > intelligible with the Oberpfälzisch spoken in Neumarkt. This is the > > Oberpfälzisch spoken along the Danube around the towns of Kelheim and > > Regensburg. > > > > *Bohemian German*< > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans_in_the_Czech_Republic > > >(Boehmerwaelderischish< > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN/2007-05/1178379647 > > >) > > is a High German language spoken in Czechoslovakia, Germany and the US. > It > > looks like both< > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=8uxfTF4Lm-kC&pg=PA598&lpg=PA598&dq=%22bohemian+german%22+dialect&source=bl&ots=4nnlM3ZukV&sig=yBfEQB1ndQSgikiFgVpWCo8C7_E&hl=en&ei=5mK-SYfdFJmQsQP5uPBD&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=7&ct=result#PPA597,M1 > > >North > > and Central Bavarian. > > > > *Egerland Bohemian > > German*< > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/Heimatbrief_March_2000.pdf > > >(Egerlaenderisch) > > is spoken in Bischofteinitz, Mies, Tachau and Taus > > Counties in the Czech Republic in Western Bohemia and in and around New > > Ulm, Minnesota, where there are still speakers ranging from 52-98 years > > old. In the Czech Republic, each village had a separate dialect, but all > > dialects are intelligible. This appears to be a separate > > language< > > > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN/2006-05/1147996153 > > >from > > Oberpfalz Northern Bavarian. > > > > This seems to be the same language as * Sechsämterland * spoken across > the > > border. The Sechsämterland dialect is spoken in the area around Selb, > > Wunsiedel, Hohenberg and Thierstein in the far northeast of Bavaria near > > the border with Czechoslovakia and Lower Saxony. > > > > Dialectal diversity is very high in this area, and every village has its > > own dialect. > > > > *Lauterbach* is a divergent dialect spoken east of Tirschenreuth on the > > Czech border. *Tiss* is a > > divergent< > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/Heimatbrief_March_2003.pdf > > >subdialect > > of Egerland. > > *Sangerberg* is a divergent Egerlaenderisch dialect spoken in Prameny, > > Czechoslovakia. *Cheb (note from Aida: I never heard of a dialect > named > > "Cheb", as "Cheb" is the Czech translation for the city of Eger!) * is > > spoken in the large German city of the same name. *Tachauer* is a dialect > > that formed the > > basis<http://www.members.shaw.ca/brianmerz/Genealogy/folklore.htm>for > > the > > * Machliniec* dialect spoken formerly spoken by the Carpathian Germans in > > their language island in the Machliniec area of the Ukraine. They left > > during WW2. > > > > *German Central Bavarian* is a group of Bavarian lects that are spoken in > > Germany. This group includes Lower Bavarian, Upper Bavarian and *Lechrain > > Bavarian* (Lechrainisch). Lechrain Bavarian is spoken in Western Bavaria > > and is transitional to Swabian. Map of the Lechrain > > region<http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lechrain.svg>. > > Lechrain is very > > different< > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BAVARIAN-ANCESTORS/2001-10/1003966871 > > >from > > the rest of Bavarian, but intelligibility data is lacking. > > > > Lower Bavarian includes the Bohemian Forest language and many dialects. > > > > Upper Bavarian includes the Starnberg, Highland and Meisbach languages > and > > many dialects. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *hwhitemc* > > "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak > kindly." ...by Sam @ MTPR > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >