/ Discussion of Czechs and Germans in the Pilsen area: http://books.google.com/books?id=wEAeAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA300&lpg=PA300&dq=German+population+of+Pilsen&source=bl&ots=4pAewFx6AW&sig=TzhyKLVAlwDAGRcttlCDAWUdbv4&hl=en&sa=X&ei=QU4bT4eKLrG70QHFtYnQCw&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=German%20population%20of%20Pilsen&f=false _______ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Req: German-Bohemian boundaries Map of Sudetenland: http://www.skylighters.org/graden/maps.html http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.skylighters.org/graden/images/sudmap01.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.skylighters.org/graden/maps.html&h=285&w=474&sz=24&tbnid=ti97_UDxPZextM:&tbnh=76&tbnw=127&zoom=1&docid=oEnMZCGYwtiObM&hl=en&sa=X&ei=TUMbT6GgBsKz0QG1r43dCw&ved=0CDcQ9QEwAw&dur=93 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland ________ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Moos" <ppk1502@ymail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Req: German-Bohemian boundaries Yes, thank you for the reply. I already know where it is and how to find it. I have corresponded with people there. I have found and copied BMD records online at the Plzen Archive site. I simply wanted to know whether or not if this Kocin in question is considered to lie within the unclear and ephemeral boundaries which you folks on this list refer to as German-Bohemian, and/or Sudetenland. All of that is unclear to me. THE REASON I ASK IS THIS: "My" Kocin in question seems to lie A LITTLE SOUTH of the SOUTHERN LIMIT of the Sudetenland or German-Bohemian boundary on the map(s) you, Aida, posted. Therefore, my grandparents and great grandparents should have spoken CZECH/Bohemian as a FIRST LANGUAGE. Yet it seems that they spoke German as a first language instead, and this is the language they spoke at home (other than English). They DID SPEAK CZECH, but not as much. They said things such as, "Was ist hier denn los? Or, " Was ist los mit dich?" [Should have said "...mit dir" -- dative case] They said, "Es erfreut mir ihnen kennenzulernen." Or simply "Erfreut mir." "Gute nacht. Schläft wohl." "Guten Morgen. Hast du viel Hunger für den Speck und Eier? "Was zum Teufel machst du da?!" "Bis du ganz verrucht?" "Ach! Daß ist Schnapsidee!" They cooked simple dishes such as Schenkenflecken and Judlicki or Jüdlichi (spelling?). No one seems to heard of the latter. From the root, it appears that it might be of Jewish origin. But they also said, "Jak se mas?" "Ja bily parodni baba." My great grandfather was very tall, and he would jokingly call a short fellow a "spunt," or "Spund," the former of which is Czech for "dwarf" or "elf" and the latter German for "bung" or "plug" in a beer barrel. Both are pronounced virtually the same and both could metaphorically refer to a short guy. For example: "Siehst du da am jener kleiner Spund aus?" Er ist mein Boss." "Videt ze tam spunt? On je muy sef. I do not recall his using the word "zakrslika" for runt. Why should they be German speakers, being from Kocin, Kralovice, Plzen? P. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ________________________________ From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> To: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net>; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:35 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Req: German-Bohemian boundaries Kocin, Kralovice is in the Plzen area in the Czech speaking region of Bohemia (during the Monarchy). In that area, most Czech people spoke German, also. You can detect the ethnicity of you family in finding Kocin or Kralovice church records at the archives at Plzen. Kralovice (Kralowitz) is northeast of Plzen towards the Czech interior, and if you look at the map, Rakovnik is to the northeast, Stribro to the southwest. Go from Stribro northeast to Rakovnik and you should find it. Pilsen (Plzen) lies to the South. Since there is also a Kralowitz in the Bukovina, you will have to use the Kocin designation for a correct identification of the area and I found Kocin and Kralovice in the Plzen area. Aida On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net>wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Patricia Moos" <ppk1502@ymail.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 4:22 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Req: German-Bohemian boundaries > > > >Are people from the Kocin, Kralovice area > > > > Which one..there are two places that comply with this parameter. > > > > > >considered to be German-Bohemians? > > > let us know which village...give a map which shows the location. > > > > >It seems to be on or near the boundary and I cannot tell for sure > >from > >the maps. > > My great grandparents had a purely Czech names, but seemed to have > spoken German as a first language, since that is what they mostly > taught > their children. They also spoke "Bohemian," as they called it, > > > > that is Czech language,. > > > > and something called "Slavisch," which I take to be Slovak, but am > > not > > sure. > > > > Slavisch means Slavic. Thus, they probably spoke Czech language, not > German. > > > >Would like to know your opinions. > > Pat > > ________ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message