The link to Czech site finally did work a few hours later, though had to ignore spam warnings. Ron -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:39 PM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 55 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics: 1. Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 (ron krzmarzick) 2. Re: For Aida (Mary Read) 3. Czech land ownership maps (Bill) 4. Re: For Aida (Mark Prokosch) 5. Re: EXT :Re: For Aida (Rudolf, Paul (ES)) 6. Re: Czech land ownership maps (Mark Prokosch) 7. Re: For Aida (Aida Kraus) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:22:16 -0500 From: "ron krzmarzick" <rlkrz@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <201203141522.q2EFME3w012689@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The referred link http://www.shon.150m.com/czechhtm.htm does not respond, and is part of a family tree site. It's the sublink which isn't responding, whereas the tree is available though not trusted site per WOT. Ron -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:00 AM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics: 1. Land Records in Czech Republic (Aida Kraus) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 19:50:08 -0700 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Land Records in Czech Republic To: GBHS <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <CAMswtwogxq+9j_kimkUf3n7f8ZVpA2LQ7dB6TmrwptdM59UxKA@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2 Carl Linert provided this information in our correspondence off line. I feel that this should be published on our List, therefore, I am forwarding it to our readership. Most of these records were in German. In fact they Czech language uses German words, like here in "gruntnovy knihy" which is a direct take from the German "Grundbuch." It looks to me, that this was all translated into the Czech language from German and is now available in that language. You may ask for the German version which may be easier to read to some of you. Also if you can answer his questions, it would be greatly appreciated. Submitted by Aida ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Carl Linert <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 6:52 PM Subject: Re: Groom with no last name To: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> I found it. This is the source: http://www.shon.150m.com/czechhtm.htm Land Records Land records are one of the next best sources to church records, and consist of several different types. The primary advantage with land records is that they go back further than the parish registers of births, marriages, and deaths. Often, the same land was passed from generation to generation, and so it is possible to assemble much of your family tree. Land records may be deposited in various archives, (i.e., at the State Central or Regional Archives, or at the town level). They may even be in a special archive. Care must be taken, in determining where a particular land book is, as well. It may be apparent to you that the book should be in the archive you are researching in, when it is not. It may be simply that it is in some other location, so you should check with the archivist to make sure. Land records go back as far as the 13th century, in some cases. When researching land records in the Czech Republic, it is important to be very familiar with the languages and the records themselves, as well as the history behind the records, since finding the right books will take study and training before you go there. But they can be a very good genealogical tool. *Something else to watch out for is the rather unexpected name change of males. Sometimes, when a man marries a widow, he takes on her surname, or the name tied to the house, rather than vice-versa.24<http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#_edn24> ** * This is the same practice, which exists in northeastern Germany (continuing even today) and in other areas. Since the majority of the people owned at least some land, it is more likely than not that some of your ancestors will show up in these records. In fact, as Melichar says, "a majority of people living in a village (at least two-thirds, but usually more than that) owned a piece of land, and thus they were recorded with their relationships in the land registers. This is the major significance of the land registers for genealogy."025<http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#_edn25> Land records come under many different appellations, such as *Zemsk? desky *(land tablets), *patriomoni?ln? knihy* (patrimonial books), *bern? ruly* (tax lists), *cadastre* (land registries), *pozemkov? knihy* (land books), *m?stk? knihy* (town books), *urb??e* (land and duties registers) and others. Any of these can be of advantage to the genealogical researcher, but of especial help will be the *bern? ruly* and *pozemkov? knihy*. *Pozemkov? knihy*, or land books, also called *gruntnov? knihy, *are probably the most helpful records for genealogical research, after vital/church records -- and even better, for earlier times. For the time before the Battle of White Mountain in 1620, when many church records were destroyed, this is the primary source of information. It is possible to follow a family far beyond that time, as land was often passed from generation to generation within a family. Most of these *pozemkov? knihy*are deposited in the regional archives. *Bern? ruly*, or tax lists, were begun in 1654. They are lists of tax payers, established on a system to improve the equity and efficiency of the old tax system. Part of this reform involved preventing transfer of peasant land from reverting to domanial land (land of the 'lord'), and vice-versa.26 <http://us.mg1.mail.yahoo.com/neo/#_edn26> Only heads of household who held land are on these records, but it is a good means to find the place of residence of your ancestor. The family history library has some of the *bern? ruly* in published form. The call numbers are: Europe 943.7 B4b v. 1-33 (some volumes missing). For bibliographies on land records, see the following two articles: "Genealogical sources in Bohemia" by Jan Pa?ez, with assistance from Tom Zahn in Na?e Rodina, Dec. 1996, vol. 8, no. 4, p. 132; and "Czech Land Registers and Auxiliary Books" by Rodolf Melichar (translated from Czech by Jan ?ef?ik and Duncan Gardiner) in Ro?enka, vol. 2, Winter 1995-1996. On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 4:32 PM, Carl Linert <carlgenlnrt@yahoo.com> wrote: Aida, I came across a marriage record from 1642 in Moravia and the groom (never been married) does not have a last name and the bride is widowed. The record just list his first name, his father's first name, and the town he came from. Then when his wife died about a year later, her death record reads she was the spouse of him but lists her last name (previous spouse's name) for his last name. Do you know of why this would be like this? Thanks, Carl ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 54 ********************************************** ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:54:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Mary Read <maryutschig@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <1331747658.31023.YahooMailClassic@web181314.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii This is for Aida, I think someone is using your email address and asking for financial assistance. I tried to email you so you could let you know what's going on, but your email address isn't good any more. I'm sure you changed it. Mary (Utschig) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:02:55 -0500 From: "Bill" <willthon@msn.com> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Czech land ownership maps To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BLU152-ds29EFAB460BAEE982F7C09C6590@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Hi All, This may help some that are searching for land records. One will find the map of the villages and lands they farmed/owned. http://www.mza.cz/indikacniskici/ My Google browser automatically translates from Czech to English. The English/British Flag 'icon' does not always work on this website. Would someone give me a brief description of what a parcel of land is that is called a 'hide'. Thanks, Bill Thoendel Hoskins, Nebraska ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:34:13 -0500 From: "Mark Prokosch" <mgprokosch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <014501cd0211$0e9c0d20$2bd42760$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I also received the same e-mails. Someone is "Spoofing" Aida's e-mail address. http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/email_spoofing.html Mark Prokosch ************************************************************** Hello Mark, Thank you for the concern, I sent you the mail to ask for your help with the transfer as I'm stranded at the moment and need some money to get back home. Please let me know if you will be able to help me with the loan as soon as possible and I promise to refund the money upon my arrival. Kindly let me know if I should forward you my details for Western union transfer and as soon as I get back home I can refund the money back to you. Unfortunately, I'm unable to make calls, I lost my phone during the incident and I'm only able to access my email for now. Once am able to sort things out, I will call you right away. I hope you understand. Please let me know if you need me to write an agreement stating I will refund you as soon as I get back home, I can definitely do that. Aida ************************************************************************ Hello, How are you doing today? I know this might be a surprise to you but am sorry to reach out to you in this manner. I apologize for not informing you about my travel to England for a Program. Everything is going fine but there's a little problem, I misplaced my wallet on my way back to the hotel and right now all my credit cards and money are gone. Am sending you this message to inform you that am stranded at the moment and need your help financially. Am not sure if you have that much but will you be able to help me with a loan of 1350 British Pounds to pay the hotel bills and get back home. I will appreciate whatever amount you can afford to help me with and am sorry for the inconvenience this message might cause you but please understand that am in a very bad situation right now and would appreciate if you could help me out. Please let me know if you can help! Aida ************************************************************ ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:41:53 +0000 From: "Rudolf, Paul (ES)" <paul.rudolf@ngc.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] EXT :Re: For Aida To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <4B3B26C834710144BC7900D2F1B3E78418C5D44C@XMBVAG77.northgrum.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Thanks for the warning Paul Rudolf -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mark Prokosch Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 2:34 PM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: EXT :Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida I also received the same e-mails. Someone is "Spoofing" Aida's e-mail address. http://www.cert.org/tech_tips/email_spoofing.html Mark Prokosch ************************************************************** Hello Mark, Thank you for the concern, I sent you the mail to ask for your help with the transfer as I'm stranded at the moment and need some money to get back home. Please let me know if you will be able to help me with the loan as soon as possible and I promise to refund the money upon my arrival. Kindly let me know if I should forward you my details for Western union transfer and as soon as I get back home I can refund the money back to you. Unfortunately, I'm unable to make calls, I lost my phone during the incident and I'm only able to access my email for now. Once am able to sort things out, I will call you right away. I hope you understand. Please let me know if you need me to write an agreement stating I will refund you as soon as I get back home, I can definitely do that. Aida ************************************************************************ Hello, How are you doing today? I know this might be a surprise to you but am sorry to reach out to you in this manner. I apologize for not informing you about my travel to England for a Program. Everything is going fine but there's a little problem, I misplaced my wallet on my way back to the hotel and right now all my credit cards and money are gone. Am sending you this message to inform you that am stranded at the moment and need your help financially. Am not sure if you have that much but will you be able to help me with a loan of 1350 British Pounds to pay the hotel bills and get back home. I will appreciate whatever amount you can afford to help me with and am sorry for the inconvenience this message might cause you but please understand that am in a very bad situation right now and would appreciate if you could help me out. Please let me know if you can help! Aida ************************************************************ German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 13:45:42 -0500 From: "Mark Prokosch" <mgprokosch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Czech land ownership maps To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <017701cd0212$a9409020$fbc1b060$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Very interesting site, Bill: Has anyone run across a site similar to this covering Western Bohemia? Especially the villages of (Drahotin/Trohatin, Melnice/Melmitz, Horauschen /Horousany)? Likely something stored in Plzen??? Regards, Mark Prokosch -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:03 PM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Czech land ownership maps Hi All, This may help some that are searching for land records. One will find the map of the villages and lands they farmed/owned. http://www.mza.cz/indikacniskici/ My Google browser automatically translates from Czech to English. The English/British Flag 'icon' does not always work on this website. Would someone give me a brief description of what a parcel of land is that is called a 'hide'. Thanks, Bill Thoendel Hoskins, Nebraska German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 11:00:47 -0700 From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAPY_z9zHGQgT8K8mOhe2+X9T85tevymqZ9E17ph+yY6SiSwWYQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes I changed my email address. It was a scam. Hateful people! Aida On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Mary Read <maryutschig@yahoo.com> wrote: > This is for Aida, > I think someone is using your email address and asking for financial > assistance. I tried to email you so you could let you know what's going > on, but your email address isn't good any more. I'm sure you changed it. > > Mary (Utschig) > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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