Example expulsion discussions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AExpulsion_of_Germans_after_World_War_II/Archive_10 _______ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 109 > Hi Brandt, > > There are many books, papers, etc. on the subject. It is critical > to read information from all perspectives: expellee and expellee > organizations, Czech point-of-view, etc. > > Anybody have recommendations about references which have a > "neutral" bias? > > ________ > > Lavrentiy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brandt Gibson" <ironhide781@hotmail.com> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2012 7:10 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue > 109 > > >> >> I only learned of the expulsion recently through this mailing list. >> Are there any books on the expulsion? My ancestors lived in the >> Rosshaupt/Strobl/Zirk area, so anything about that area would be of >> interest to me, before or after the expulsion. Thanks, Brandt >> > From: german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com >>> Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 109 >>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 10:49:19 -0600 >>> >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Re: For Aida - re: expulsion (Laurence Krupnak) >>> 2. Malinak from Halenkov (dcuillard@aol.com) >>> 3. Re: For Aida - re: expulsion (fslocum@accelplus.net) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 11:49:46 -0400 >>> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID: <820E72FB59024BADB2A2712499002536@user45c476a8b6> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Marg and Frank, >>> >>> I too do that (dig into details), but we are a very, very, very, >>> very, very, etc. small number of people who do that. >>> >>> ________ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Marg McEuen >>> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:41 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> >>> >>> I also have to disagree, Laurence and agree with Frank and >>> Aida. I, too, have had someone who went to my paternal >>> Gt-grandmother, Theresia Kahabka's, house site at Domaslav 18 (near >>> Lestkov) and sent back pictures. I am unable to travel so far >>> because of health reasons, so this was very much appreciated. I, >>> too, try to find out what happened to siblings, aunts, uncles, etc. >>> for as many ancestors as I can and the history that was going on >>> around them. >>> >>> None of my immediate ancestors were in the Expulsion, but I >>> do try to read as much on it as I can, as I would like to find out >>> what happened to some of their relatives who may have stayed. My >>> paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Kunzel, died at age 92 when I was >>> just out of high school, in 1958, so I never was able to ask her >>> about why she immigrated to Napa Valley, CA in 1886. I would very >>> much like to know what happened to one of her uncles and one aunt, >>> as >>> her parents, siblings and her other uncles also came to the USA by >>> 1887. >>> >>> I really appreciate all the info and links to sources and >>> your personal recollections, Aida. That helps me fill in some of >>> the >>> history in Bohemia after my direct ancestors left. Thank you so >>> much >>> for all you do in helping fill in some historical gaps. Marg McEuen >>> >>> --- On Sun, 7/8/12, fslocum@accelplus.net >>> <fslocum@accelplus.net> wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: fslocum@accelplus.net <fslocum@accelplus.net> >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> To: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net>, >>> german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 9:35 AM >>> >>> >>> lawrence, I disagree. I like the stories of the family >>> activities, and >>> like following a stream upstream, attempt to find the >>> source. When it >>> crosses the ocean, and language barriers, it all becomes >>> more difficult. >>> >>> I know my great grandfathers origin and two generations >>> prior. I also know >>> there were siblings, one of whom visited the USA and >>> witnessed his will. >>> But what happened to them from 1870 on? >>> >>> A dear person in Prague travelled to the small village >>> near >>> Karlsbad and >>> took pictures of the home plot, Poschitz #4, long gone >>> except for flowers, >>> grasses and a well spot. >>> >>> In my 70's now, it is still my ambition to travel there an >>> see it for >>> myself. I will pick up two small stones, one for me and >>> the >>> other for his >>> grave marker. >>> >>> Frank Heidl Slocum >>> Great grandson of Franz Josef Heidl >>> >>> > / >>> > Not many people are interested in serious historical >>> and genealogical >>> > research. Many people have a passing interest, but they >>> don't get >>> > close to scholarly or detailed information. They just >>> want to punch a >>> > name in a computer database and get their genealogy back >>> to Adam and >>> > Eve. >>> > >>> > ______ >>> > >>> > Laurence >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Aida Kraus >>> > To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:04 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> expulsion >>> > >>> > >>> > As far as genealogy is concerned, I must disagree, >>> because ancestors >>> > can only be found in historical records. Expulsion >>> lists, court >>> > documents, witness reports, property records are all >>> part >>> of this and >>> > present valuable information material for genealogical >>> research. If >>> > you do not know history, how can you possibly find your >>> roots? The >>> > truth of history will eventually come out, no matter how >>> long it takes. >>> > I will give you an example. I had a friend who simply >>> could not find a >>> > link to a family member. The person she was looking for >>> "did not >>> > exist". Not in her family anyway. But she was >>> tenacious. >>> In the end she >>> > found out why he did not exist in any records of her >>> family. ...... >>> > because he was judged and hanged for a horse thief. >>> > So, I guess, we have to get our head around >>> these >>> "unpleasant >>> > surprises" in genealogy of which the aftermath of the >>> second world >>> > war is just such a factor... and this NEVER seems to be >>> a >>> one sided >>> > deal, my friends! >>> > It hits home, when a transgression highly >>> censured is returned by >>> > just the same, and sometimes even worse crimes. It makes >>> us look >>> > at ourselves of what we are at our worst while we know >>> that we >>> > could be our best. This feeling is called shame. >>> Genocide is >>> > shame on all levels of humanity. It is a pity that we >>> will find >>> > it in our roots. And then it is best to KNOW YOUR >>> HISTORY >>> > Aida >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Laurence Krupnak >>> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > / >>> > >>> > Hello Aida, >>> > >>> > Knowledge and data about the "afterwords" >>> existed, but a small >>> > number of people read the literature. Not many people >>> are >>> > interested in the past. >>> > >>> > _______ >>> > >>> > Laurence >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Aida Kraus >>> > >>> > To: Laurence Krupnak ; >>> german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:52 AM >>> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> expulsion >>> > >>> > >>> > Oh yes, dear Lavrentiy, THAT is widely published >>> in >>> the Holocaust >>> > papers and many other documentation from the Nuremberg >>> trials in a >>> > neverending supply of stories for the media....... but >>> what came >>> > "afterwards" that is something that did not get into any >>> press and >>> > was put under lock and key at Bonn for 50 years. It is >>> just now >>> > surfacing, as it should, because this is also a part of >>> history. >>> > Obviously the retaliation was equally fierce, if not >>> more so. >>> > Aida >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Laurence Krupnak >>> > <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>> > >>> > / >>> > >>> > >>> > Do data exist for the number of Germans who >>> resided in the >>> > places >>> > that you described who either joined or were >>> conscripted in Nazi >>> > military and they themselves committed >>> attrocities? Any memoirs >>> > or >>> > letters of admission or regret on what they or >>> Germany did? >>> > >>> > _____ >>> > >>> > Lavrentiy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >>> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:52 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> expulsion >>> > >>> > >>> > > This is a witness report of people who have >>> gone through the >>> > cruelty >>> > > of >>> > > expulsion from their homeland. It is a >>> document called >>> > "Whitebook" >>> > > and >>> > > contains legal witness records kept in the >>> files at Bonn by the >>> > > German >>> > > Government for 50 years under lock and key. >>> However, they should >>> > have >>> > > published it as part of truthful reporting of >>> history after the >>> > > homeless >>> > > had declared their Charter. You will find that >>> charter on the >>> > link >>> > > listed >>> > > below. There were 14 to 16 Million of us >>> Germans who have lost >>> > their >>> > > homeland after WW2. The numbers of expelled >>> persons and their >>> > deaths >>> > > have >>> > > never been fully established. They were living >>> for centuries (in >>> > some >>> > > cases >>> > > as natives) in countries which is now Poland, >>> Lithuania, >>> > Estonia, >>> > > Latvia, >>> > > Ukraine, the different states of the former >>> Yugoslavia, >>> > Czechoslovakia >>> > > and >>> > > others, and their deaths were caused by mass >>> transports, mass >>> > > executions, >>> > > rapes and sadistic tortures between 1945-1947, >>> up to two years >>> > after >>> > > the >>> > > war. Mass graves of these martyred people are >>> found from time to >>> > time >>> > > even >>> > > now at construction excavations but creates >>> just a minimum of >>> > > publicity, >>> > > because it was so horrendous that even the >>> victims would rather >>> > > forget. >>> > > Read the Charta at this page and notice the >>> date of the >>> > Charter.... >>> > > just >>> > > 5 years after the war when wound of our losses >>> were still fresh: >>> > > >>> http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 >>> > > Aida >>> > > >>> > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, >>> <miscsearch@aol.com> wrote: >>> > > >>> > >> Aida, >>> > >> >>> > >> I found this while researching family members >>> from Freiwaldau. >>> > What >>> > >> is >>> > >> your opinion of this. >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html >>> > >> >>> > >> I've seen postings in the past regarding >>> propaganda and would >>> > like to >>> > >> know what's what. Thanks. >>> > >> >>> > >> Cathy >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > >> ------------------------------- >>> > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> email to >>> > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the >>> word >>> > 'unsubscribe' >>> > >> without >>> > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> > >> >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the >>> word 'unsubscribe' >>> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body >>> of the message >>> > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> > >>> > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> message >>> > >>> > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 11:55:55 -0400 (EDT) >>> From: dcuillard@aol.com >>> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Malinak from Halenkov >>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: <8CF2C027534F63C-8B4-EB1@webmail-d051.sysops.aol.com> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >>> >>> >>> >>> Seeking help in locating Christening records from 1835-1845 for the >>> Village of Halenkov in Czech Republic. >>> Ancestor Johannes "John" Malinak immigrated to Texas in 1872 and he >>> and his wife listed their birthplaces as Halenkov. >>> Thanks, >>> Donna >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 3 >>> Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2012 12:49:06 -0400 (EDT) >>> From: fslocum@accelplus.net >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> To: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net>, >>> german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Message-ID: >>> <49414.97.97.3.169.1341852546.squirrel@secure.accelplus.net> >>> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 >>> >>> Lavrentiy, I consider this curious effort the worlds largest jigsaw >>> puzzle. It is in my basic curiosity make up. Sometimes I find a >>> piece and >>> know it fits someplace but must find the adjoining piece first. This >>> puzzle is a 360 degree puzzle. >>> >>> Frank >>> >>> >>> > Marg and Frank, >>> > >>> > I too do that (dig into details), but we are a very, very, >>> > very, very, >>> > very, etc. small number of people who do that. >>> > >>> > ________ >>> > >>> > Lavrentiy >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Marg McEuen >>> > To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 12:41 PM >>> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> > >>> > >>> > I also have to disagree, Laurence and agree with Frank and >>> > Aida. >>> > I, too, have had someone who went to my paternal Gt-grandmother, >>> > Theresia Kahabka's, house site at Domaslav 18 (near Lestkov) and >>> > sent back pictures. I am unable to travel so far because of >>> > health reasons, so this was very much appreciated. I, too, try to >>> > find out what happened to siblings, aunts, uncles, etc. for as >>> > many ancestors as I can and the history that was going on around >>> > them. >>> > >>> > None of my immediate ancestors were in the Expulsion, but >>> > I >>> > do try >>> > to read as much on it as I can, as I would like to find out what >>> > happened to some of their relatives who may have stayed. My >>> > paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Kunzel, died at age 92 when I was >>> > just out of high school, in 1958, so I never was able to ask her >>> > about why she immigrated to Napa Valley, CA in 1886. I would very >>> > much like to know what happened to one of her uncles and one aunt, >>> > as her parents, siblings and her other uncles also came to the >>> > USA by 1887. >>> > >>> > I really appreciate all the info and links to sources and >>> > your >>> > personal recollections, Aida. That helps me fill in some of the >>> > history in Bohemia after my direct ancestors left. Thank you so >>> > much for all you do in helping fill in some historical gaps. Marg >>> > McEuen >>> > >>> > --- On Sun, 7/8/12, fslocum@accelplus.net >>> > <fslocum@accelplus.net> >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > >>> > From: fslocum@accelplus.net <fslocum@accelplus.net> >>> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion >>> > To: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net>, >>> > german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > Date: Sunday, July 8, 2012, 9:35 AM >>> > >>> > >>> > lawrence, I disagree. I like the stories of the family >>> > activities, and >>> > like following a stream upstream, attempt to find the >>> > source. >>> > When it >>> > crosses the ocean, and language barriers, it all becomes >>> > more >>> > difficult. >>> > >>> > I know my great grandfathers origin and two generations >>> > prior. I >>> > also know >>> > there were siblings, one of whom visited the USA and >>> > witnessed >>> > his will. >>> > But what happened to them from 1870 on? >>> > >>> > A dear person in Prague travelled to the small village >>> > near >>> > Karlsbad and >>> > took pictures of the home plot, Poschitz #4, long gone >>> > except >>> > for flowers, >>> > grasses and a well spot. >>> > >>> > In my 70's now, it is still my ambition to travel there >>> > an see >>> > it for >>> > myself. I will pick up two small stones, one for me and >>> > the >>> > other for his >>> > grave marker. >>> > >>> > Frank Heidl Slocum >>> > Great grandson of Franz Josef Heidl >>> > >>> > > / >>> > > Not many people are interested in serious >>> > historical >>> > and >>> > genealogical >>> > > research. Many people have a passing interest, but >>> > they don't >>> > get >>> > > close to scholarly or detailed information. They just >>> > want to >>> > punch a >>> > > name in a computer database and get their genealogy >>> > back to >>> > Adam and >>> > > Eve. >>> > > >>> > > ______ >>> > > >>> > > Laurence >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: Aida Kraus >>> > > To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 11:04 AM >>> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> > expulsion >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > As far as genealogy is concerned, I must disagree, >>> > because >>> > ancestors >>> > > can only be found in historical records. Expulsion >>> > lists, >>> > court >>> > > documents, witness reports, property records are all >>> > part of >>> > this and >>> > > present valuable information material for genealogical >>> > research. If >>> > > you do not know history, how can you possibly find >>> > your >>> > roots? The >>> > > truth of history will eventually come out, no matter >>> > how long >>> > it takes. >>> > > I will give you an example. I had a friend who simply >>> > could >>> > not find a >>> > > link to a family member. The person she was looking >>> > for "did >>> > not >>> > > exist". Not in her family anyway. But she was >>> > tenacious. In >>> > the end she >>> > > found out why he did not exist in any records of her >>> > family. >>> > ...... >>> > > because he was judged and hanged for a horse thief. >>> > > So, I guess, we have to get our head around >>> > these >>> > "unpleasant >>> > > surprises" in genealogy of which the aftermath of the >>> > second >>> > world >>> > > war is just such a factor... and this NEVER seems to >>> > be >>> > a one >>> > sided >>> > > deal, my friends! >>> > > It hits home, when a transgression highly >>> > censured is >>> > returned by >>> > > just the same, and sometimes even worse crimes. It >>> > makes us >>> > look >>> > > at ourselves of what we are at our worst while we know >>> > that we >>> > > could be our best. This feeling is called shame. >>> > Genocide is >>> > > shame on all levels of humanity. It is a pity that we >>> > will >>> > find >>> > > it in our roots. And then it is best to KNOW YOUR >>> > HISTORY >>> > > Aida >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Laurence Krupnak >>> > <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > / >>> > > >>> > > Hello Aida, >>> > > >>> > > Knowledge and data about the "afterwords" >>> > existed, but >>> > a small >>> > > number of people read the literature. Not many people >>> > are >>> > > interested in the past. >>> > > >>> > > _______ >>> > > >>> > > Laurence >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: Aida Kraus >>> > > >>> > > To: Laurence Krupnak ; >>> > german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> > > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:52 AM >>> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> > expulsion >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Oh yes, dear Lavrentiy, THAT is widely published >>> > in the >>> > Holocaust >>> > > papers and many other documentation from the Nuremberg >>> > trials >>> > in a >>> > > neverending supply of stories for the media....... but >>> > what >>> > came >>> > > "afterwards" that is something that did not get into >>> > any press >>> > and >>> > > was put under lock and key at Bonn for 50 years. It >>> > is >>> > just >>> > now >>> > > surfacing, as it should, because this is also a part >>> > of >>> > history. >>> > > Obviously the retaliation was equally fierce, if not >>> > more so. >>> > > Aida >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Laurence Krupnak >>> > > <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > / >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Do data exist for the number of Germans >>> > who >>> > resided in the >>> > > places >>> > > that you described who either joined or were >>> > conscripted in Nazi >>> > > military and they themselves committed >>> > attrocities? >>> > Any memoirs >>> > > or >>> > > letters of admission or regret on what they or >>> > Germany >>> > did? >>> > > >>> > > _____ >>> > > >>> > > Lavrentiy >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>> > > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >>> > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:52 PM >>> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: >>> > expulsion >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > This is a witness report of people who have >>> > gone >>> > through the >>> > > cruelty >>> > > > of >>> > > > expulsion from their homeland. It is a >>> > document >>> > called >>> > > "Whitebook" >>> > > > and >>> > > > contains legal witness records kept in the >>> > files at >>> > Bonn by the >>> > > > German >>> > > > Government for 50 years under lock and key. >>> > However, >>> > they should >>> > > have >>> > > > published it as part of truthful reporting >>> > of >>> > history after the >>> > > > homeless >>> > > > had declared their Charter. You will find >>> > that >>> > charter on the >>> > > link >>> > > > listed >>> > > > below. There were 14 to 16 Million of us >>> > Germans >>> > who have lost >>> > > their >>> > > > homeland after WW2. The numbers of expelled >>> > persons >>> > and their >>> > > deaths >>> > > > have >>> > > > never been fully established. They were >>> > living for >>> > centuries (in >>> > > some >>> > > > cases >>> > > > as natives) in countries which is now >>> > Poland, >>> > Lithuania, >>> > > Estonia, >>> > > > Latvia, >>> > > > Ukraine, the different states of the former >>> > Yugoslavia, >>> > > Czechoslovakia >>> > > > and >>> > > > others, and their deaths were caused by mass >>> > transports, mass >>> > > > executions, >>> > > > rapes and sadistic tortures between >>> > 1945-1947, up to >>> > two years >>> > > after >>> > > > the >>> > > > war. Mass graves of these martyred people >>> > are >>> > found >>> > from time to >>> > > time >>> > > > even >>> > > > now at construction excavations but creates >>> > just a >>> > minimum of >>> > > > publicity, >>> > > > because it was so horrendous that even the >>> > victims >>> > would rather >>> > > > forget. >>> > > > Read the Charta at this page and notice the >>> > date of >>> > the >>> > > Charter.... >>> > > > just >>> > > > 5 years after the war when wound of our >>> > losses were >>> > still fresh: >>> > > > >>> > http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 >>> > > > Aida >>> > > > >>> > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, >>> > <miscsearch@aol.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > >> Aida, >>> > > >> >>> > > >> I found this while researching family >>> > members from >>> > Freiwaldau. >>> > > What >>> > > >> is >>> > > >> your opinion of this. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html >>> > > >> >>> > > >> I've seen postings in the past regarding >>> > propaganda >>> > and would >>> > > like to >>> > > >> know what's what. Thanks. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Cathy >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send >>> > an >>> > email >>> > to >>> > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with >>> > the word >>> > > 'unsubscribe' >>> > > >> without >>> > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> > the >>> > message >>> > > >> >>> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > > ------------------------------- >>> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> > email >>> > to >>> > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with >>> > the >>> > word >>> > 'unsubscribe' >>> > > > without the quotes in the subject and the >>> > body of >>> > the message >>> > > >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >>> > email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> > 'unsubscribe' >>> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> > message >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >>> > to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> > 'unsubscribe' >>> > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the >>> > message >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word >>> > 'unsubscribe' without >>> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email >>> to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >>> the >>> body of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 109 >>> *********************************************** >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message