/ "If you ask me (David Plotz) - and Moses didn't -- the Bible is willfully ignoring the obvious point. It was the Moabite women, not the Midianite women, who did the dreadful whoring that provoked God's rage and the plague. Going after the Midianites to punish a Moabite crime is as nonsensical as the United States invading Iraq to teach al-Qaida a lesson. (Oh, wait. We did that.)" Mankind never learns. ________ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > / > > Midianites: > > an Arabian tribe descended from Midian, a son of Abraham > > http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10804-midian-and-midianites > > > What about God's cruelty against the Midianites? > > http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html > > > http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/midianite.html > > > > Why were only the virgins left alive among the Midianites ... > > > http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites > > a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. > a.. The Bible's Most Hideous War Crime - Slate Magazine > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/blogging_the_bible/features/2006/the_complete_book_of_numbers/the_bibles_most_hideous_war_crime.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > >> Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: >> ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a >> people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever >> suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the >> east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] >> Some >> scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as the >> Bible >> does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] >> >> Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of >> tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >>> / >>> >>> >>> Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: >>> >>> http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Aida Kraus >>> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> Just came back home and I find reading your postings very >>> interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti >>> Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, >>> because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was >>> a >>> German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated >>> among others that >>> "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization >>> of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." >>> So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic >>> expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an >>> invention of the Nazi Regime. >>> .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and >>> politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this >>> earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, >>> regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and >>> Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but >>> the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is >>> to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one >>> seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? >>> The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" >>> never ever able to state OUR side of values? >>> In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded >>> development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of >>> humanity. >>> Aida >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak >>> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> Where have all the flowers gone: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Laurence Krupnak >>> >>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> >>> Jack wrote in part: >>> >>> >>> As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? >>> >>> ********** >>> >>> Mankind will never learn. >>> >>> One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat >>> horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never >>> changes his ways. >>> >>> _______ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message