/ Waiting for the train: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PFlQHPuX0k&feature=relmfu at the 2:00 min. mark ________ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] mode of travel in 1859? > Yes, Gary, railroad services were available at that time of your > ancestral > emigration. They started to build railroads in 1835 and it was in > full > swing by 1841. Read this: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Germany > Aida > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Gary Wiltscheck > <garywilt@newulmtel.net>wrote: > >> Does anyone have any idea what the mode of travel was for emigrating >> Bohemians travelling to Bremen, Germany in 1859? >> >> Could rail service have been in place by then? >> >> I've seen an early map of Europe railroads but not sure of the years. >> >> Any help would be appreciated. >> >> Thanks, Gary Wiltscheck >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This was a wonderful film, Lawrentiy, but it is not what our readership is researching. What the descendants of the German Bohemians are looking for - and let me remind you, they came to this country (late 1800) when their country was still Austria. They have no ethnic sensitivity or involvement of what happened after the turn of the century back in their homeland. They came from a country when Germans and Czechs were both Austrians. But now, looking for their roots, they try to find the old homeland, their houses, and therefore, they are looking for relatives who remained at home and find that their places often were bulldozed over. They realize that their kin was affected by the Expulsion from German Bohemia because there hardly exists any media on this chapter in history. It was literally swept under the carpet. The affected group was far too silent about their martyrdom (except those few who posted witness reports now captured in the White Book). But their stories present in reality the historical balance of what really happened. You cannot write history from just one side. In my opinion, it is even more shameful that the same acts that were criticized were then repeated. Of course, that could be understood as "revanche." But to repeat and trump was had been abhorred to begin with, that does not speak well for any of us, the "human kind".... Memorials of BOTH sides standing side by side will put a shame on those who let it happen. And I am not even sure that we have learned from it looking to what is going on in the East right now. Going back to the after year wars in Europe, the feeling of the German Bohemian group is quite similar to those individuals who came back from the horrors of Siberian gulags. They simply do not want to be reminded of it anymore. They rolled up their sleeves, faced facts and rebuilt their lives very productively in another country. It is their own NEXT generation who are digging it up, because they cannot understand how the situation even developed. They have a lack of historical understanding, because THAT part was never taught in school. It is now the FIRST time they are encountering it just by chance. There are families that were victims of either one or the other side. A case in point is the tragedy people encountered in Luxemburg, for instance. They were incorporated into the German Reich under Hitler, and while some of their population had great advantages of financial benefits by being annexed, most of them were exploited as cannon fodder. After the war they found themselves as "German" prisoners in Russia and some of them also wound up in gulags, since they wore a German uniform. Most of the suffering people find themselves in very hurtful situations not of their making, and that must be understood. We cannot condemn people willy nilly just because they wear a uniform, we have to ask, HOW DID THEY GET IN THAT UNIFORM!!! All of the men during that time were drafted, not very many joined voluntarily. While most of the populace disliked any connection to the NAZI Regime, for instance, the Luxemburgers equally disliked to be dominated by France, just as the Germans in Bohemia disliked to be dominated by the Czechs. There was no global conscience at that time as yet. Luxemburgers like Sudetengermans have their own ethnic identity and language, and since the requested autonomy was denied them, political issue arises which are "fired" up quite often from the "outside of the country. I believe that your Rusyns had the same dilemma being wedged between East and West. I will look to see if they have something on You Tube. Aida On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net>wrote: > / > > Waiting for the train: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PFlQHPuX0k&feature=relmfu > > > at the 2:00 min. mark > > ________ > > Lavrentiy > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] mode of travel in 1859? > > > > Yes, Gary, railroad services were available at that time of your > > ancestral > > emigration. They started to build railroads in 1835 and it was in > > full > > swing by 1841. Read this: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_rail_transport_in_Germany > > Aida > > > > On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:39 AM, Gary Wiltscheck > > <garywilt@newulmtel.net>wrote: > > > >> Does anyone have any idea what the mode of travel was for emigrating > >> Bohemians travelling to Bremen, Germany in 1859? > >> > >> Could rail service have been in place by then? > >> > >> I've seen an early map of Europe railroads but not sure of the years. > >> > >> Any help would be appreciated. > >> > >> Thanks, Gary Wiltscheck > >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >