/ Hello Aida, Knowledge and data about the "afterwords" existed, but a small number of people read the literature. Not many people are interested in the past. _______ Laurence ----- Original Message ----- From: Aida Kraus To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:52 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion Oh yes, dear Lavrentiy, THAT is widely published in the Holocaust papers and many other documentation from the Nuremberg trials in a neverending supply of stories for the media....... but what came "afterwards" that is something that did not get into any press and was put under lock and key at Bonn for 50 years. It is just now surfacing, as it should, because this is also a part of history. Obviously the retaliation was equally fierce, if not more so. Aida On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: / Do data exist for the number of Germans who resided in the places that you described who either joined or were conscripted in Nazi military and they themselves committed attrocities? Any memoirs or letters of admission or regret on what they or Germany did? _____ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:52 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion > This is a witness report of people who have gone through the cruelty > of > expulsion from their homeland. It is a document called "Whitebook" > and > contains legal witness records kept in the files at Bonn by the > German > Government for 50 years under lock and key. However, they should have > published it as part of truthful reporting of history after the > homeless > had declared their Charter. You will find that charter on the link > listed > below. There were 14 to 16 Million of us Germans who have lost their > homeland after WW2. The numbers of expelled persons and their deaths > have > never been fully established. They were living for centuries (in some > cases > as natives) in countries which is now Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, > Latvia, > Ukraine, the different states of the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia > and > others, and their deaths were caused by mass transports, mass > executions, > rapes and sadistic tortures between 1945-1947, up to two years after > the > war. Mass graves of these martyred people are found from time to time > even > now at construction excavations but creates just a minimum of > publicity, > because it was so horrendous that even the victims would rather > forget. > Read the Charta at this page and notice the date of the Charter.... > just > 5 years after the war when wound of our losses were still fresh: > http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 > Aida > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, <miscsearch@aol.com> wrote: > >> Aida, >> >> I found this while researching family members from Freiwaldau. What >> is >> your opinion of this. >> >> >> http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html >> >> I've seen postings in the past regarding propaganda and would like to >> know what's what. Thanks. >> >> Cathy >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

As far as genealogy is concerned, I must disagree, because ancestors can only be found in historical records. Expulsion lists, court documents, witness reports, property records are all part of this and present valuable information material for genealogical research. If you do not know history, how can you possibly find your roots? The truth of history will eventually come out, no matter how long it takes. I will give you an example. I had a friend who simply could not find a link to a family member. The person she was looking for "did not exist". Not in her family anyway. But she was tenacious. In the end she found out why he did not exist in any records of her family. ...... because he was judged and hanged for a horse thief. So, I guess, we have to get our head around these "unpleasant surprises" in genealogy of which the aftermath of the second world war is just such a factor... and this NEVER seems to be a one sided deal, my friends! It hits home, when a transgression highly censured is returned by just the same, and sometimes even worse crimes. It makes us look at ourselves of what we are at our worst while we know that we could be our best. This feeling is called shame. Genocide is shame on all levels of humanity. It is a pity that we will find it in our roots. And then it is best to KNOW YOUR HISTORY Aida On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net>wrote: > / > > Hello Aida, > > Knowledge and data about the "afterwords" existed, but a small number > of people read the literature. Not many people are interested in the past. > > _______ > > Laurence > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aida Kraus > To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2012 9:52 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion > > > Oh yes, dear Lavrentiy, THAT is widely published in the Holocaust papers > and many other documentation from the Nuremberg trials in a neverending > supply of stories for the media....... but what came "afterwards" that is > something that did not get into any press and was put under lock and key at > Bonn for 50 years. It is just now surfacing, as it should, because this > is also a part of history. Obviously the retaliation was equally fierce, if > not more so. > Aida > > > On Sun, Jul 8, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > wrote: > > / > > > Do data exist for the number of Germans who resided in the places > that you described who either joined or were conscripted in Nazi > military and they themselves committed attrocities? Any memoirs or > letters of admission or regret on what they or Germany did? > > _____ > > Lavrentiy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2012 2:52 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] For Aida - re: expulsion > > > > This is a witness report of people who have gone through the cruelty > > of > > expulsion from their homeland. It is a document called "Whitebook" > > and > > contains legal witness records kept in the files at Bonn by the > > German > > Government for 50 years under lock and key. However, they should have > > published it as part of truthful reporting of history after the > > homeless > > had declared their Charter. You will find that charter on the link > > listed > > below. There were 14 to 16 Million of us Germans who have lost their > > homeland after WW2. The numbers of expelled persons and their deaths > > have > > never been fully established. They were living for centuries (in some > > cases > > as natives) in countries which is now Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, > > Latvia, > > Ukraine, the different states of the former Yugoslavia, > Czechoslovakia > > and > > others, and their deaths were caused by mass transports, mass > > executions, > > rapes and sadistic tortures between 1945-1947, up to two years after > > the > > war. Mass graves of these martyred people are found from time to time > > even > > now at construction excavations but creates just a minimum of > > publicity, > > because it was so horrendous that even the victims would rather > > forget. > > Read the Charta at this page and notice the date of the Charter.... > > just > > 5 years after the war when wound of our losses were still fresh: > > http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 > > Aida > > > > On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, <miscsearch@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> Aida, > >> > >> I found this while researching family members from Freiwaldau. What > >> is > >> your opinion of this. > >> > >> > >> > http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html > >> > >> I've seen postings in the past regarding propaganda and would like > to > >> know what's what. Thanks. > >> > >> Cathy > >> > >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >