the answer is yes Aida On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Marie <omamarie@att.net> wrote: > Would this be the same for people from Moravia? Alt-Moletein & Moletein, > for example? My relatives ended up in Stuttgart. > > Marie > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > To: "GBHS" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:57 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Conclusion to the subject Expulsion > > > > The enclosed text is quoted from the "conclusion" of the link given > below. > > Clicking on this, you may read a very thorough investigation into the > > history that lead to the events of expulsion. I see this thesis as a > > frank > > appraisal of history, and it represents a balancing report to more > widely > > published historical events. While we are well educated on the > holocaust, > > this thesis represents the balance of what happened 'afterwards'. It > > answers the question so many immigrant families are encountering in > > researching their genealogy and are wondering what happened to members of > > their families who had remained behind, but can no longer be found in > that > > area. > > > > Submitted by Aida > > <http://alfreddezayas.com/Books/theses.shtml> > > > > http://alfreddezayas.com/Books/theses.shtml > > > > 2. The expulsion of the Germans is a legitimate subject for scholarly > > research. It is one of the most portentous events in modern history, for > > it > > extinguished a community of cooperation between Slavs and Germans which > > had > > grown and flourished over several centuries. It therefore cannot simply > be > > excluded from the common European experience. Unfortunately there still > > exists a certain taboo concerning this subject matter, which may not > > restrict research as such, but certainly restrains public discussion. It > > is, after all, a question of historical completeness. > > > > 3. Historians are bound by a scholarly and moral obligation to research > > and > > present historical events, to determine the facts and organize them into > > the greater historical context. It is unworthy of a free society and the > > spirit of free inquiry when historians who tackle controversial or > > unwelcome topics, no matter how serious and disciplined their work may > be, > > are accused of concocting nothing more than "a balancing of accounts" or > > "apologies" for crimes. > > > > 4. The expulsions cannot be regarded as a question of crime and > > punishment. > > The task of punishing those responsible for the war and war crimes was > > delegated to the Nuremberg Tribunal, which introduced a new principle of > > international law, that of personal liability for the actions of > > politicians and soldiers. Nevertheless, 15 million Germans were expelled, > > or forced to flee, without any question as to their individual guilt or > > innocence. Any punishment which does not take personal responsibility or > > extenuating circumstances into account is juridically and morally > > indefensible. > > > > 5. Similarly, a principle of collective guilt cannot be applied to the > > expulsions, just as there can be no collective guilt for war. But there > is > > surely a collective morality which commits us all to humane conduct > toward > > one another. In other words, guilt can only be understood as belonging to > > the individual, whereas morality binds us all. > > > > 6. There can be no such thing as humane forced resettlement, a > > contradiction in terms, for the coerced loss of one's homeland can never > > be > > humane. > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I thought so, thanks much! I couldn't get the relatives to talk about their experience so all the book references have helped know what they went through. Marie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 10:38 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Conclusion to the subject Expulsion > the answer is yes > Aida > > On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:22 AM, Marie <omamarie@att.net> wrote: > >> Would this be the same for people from Moravia? Alt-Moletein & Moletein, >> for example? My relatives ended up in Stuttgart. >> >> Marie >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >> To: "GBHS" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 7:57 AM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Conclusion to the subject Expulsion >> >> >> > The enclosed text is quoted from the "conclusion" of the link given >> below. >> > Clicking on this, you may read a very thorough investigation into the >> > history that lead to the events of expulsion. I see this thesis as a >> > frank >> > appraisal of history, and it represents a balancing report to more >> widely >> > published historical events. While we are well educated on the >> holocaust, >> > this thesis represents the balance of what happened 'afterwards'. It >> > answers the question so many immigrant families are encountering in >> > researching their genealogy and are wondering what happened to members >> > of >> > their families who had remained behind, but can no longer be found in >> that >> > area. >> > >> > Submitted by Aida >> > <http://alfreddezayas.com/Books/theses.shtml> >> > >> > http://alfreddezayas.com/Books/theses.shtml >> > >> > 2. The expulsion of the Germans is a legitimate subject for scholarly >> > research. It is one of the most portentous events in modern history, >> > for >> > it >> > extinguished a community of cooperation between Slavs and Germans which >> > had >> > grown and flourished over several centuries. It therefore cannot simply >> be >> > excluded from the common European experience. Unfortunately there still >> > exists a certain taboo concerning this subject matter, which may not >> > restrict research as such, but certainly restrains public discussion. >> > It >> > is, after all, a question of historical completeness. >> > >> > 3. Historians are bound by a scholarly and moral obligation to research >> > and >> > present historical events, to determine the facts and organize them >> > into >> > the greater historical context. It is unworthy of a free society and >> > the >> > spirit of free inquiry when historians who tackle controversial or >> > unwelcome topics, no matter how serious and disciplined their work may >> be, >> > are accused of concocting nothing more than "a balancing of accounts" >> > or >> > "apologies" for crimes. >> > >> > 4. The expulsions cannot be regarded as a question of crime and >> > punishment. >> > The task of punishing those responsible for the war and war crimes was >> > delegated to the Nuremberg Tribunal, which introduced a new principle >> > of >> > international law, that of personal liability for the actions of >> > politicians and soldiers. Nevertheless, 15 million Germans were >> > expelled, >> > or forced to flee, without any question as to their individual guilt or >> > innocence. Any punishment which does not take personal responsibility >> > or >> > extenuating circumstances into account is juridically and morally >> > indefensible. >> > >> > 5. Similarly, a principle of collective guilt cannot be applied to the >> > expulsions, just as there can be no collective guilt for war. But there >> is >> > surely a collective morality which commits us all to humane conduct >> toward >> > one another. In other words, guilt can only be understood as belonging >> > to >> > the individual, whereas morality binds us all. >> > >> > 6. There can be no such thing as humane forced resettlement, a >> > contradiction in terms, for the coerced loss of one's homeland can >> > never >> > be >> > humane. >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message