Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald area. Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. However, you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German territory toward the Bavarian border. http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > Aida, > > I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I have > found them > very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great > grandfather, Wenzl > Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the > opportunity > to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG > problem. I did see that > there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it > be that this castle > was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? > > Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records > indicated that he was > a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry > > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and > > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names > > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their > > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over > several > > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had > it > > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. > > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they > > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it > > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. > > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. > > > > Link: > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > > > > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > > > > > I understand the German. > > > > > > Does this help? > > > > > > best, > > > Paul > > > > > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > > > there > > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in > > the > > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > > > archives > > > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > > > have > > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > > >> > > > >> Are any of these records online? > > > >> > > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks. > > > >> > > > >> Paul > > > >> Oregon > > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I found Rochlawa to be part of the Gut Tschemin in the Mies-Pilsen district. It was owned by Freiherr (Baron) Joseph von Erben. I found this in Sommer's Schematismus for the Kingdom of Bohemia on this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=3LgAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=www.mies-pilsen.de+Rochlowa&source=bl&ots=MUssxXDlWp&sig=0VVo5FF1ovb_1KdL4AasMqUUJCs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CsMwT8y-Juns2gWtn8i8Bw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=www.mies-pilsen.de%20Rochlowa&f=false Now I am will look at Gut (Estate) Tschemin, it seems there were only a few houses in 1830, and the people living there were most likely employed by the estate. I will report what else I could find later. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald area. > Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. However, > you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German > territory toward the Bavarian border. > http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Aida, >> >> I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I >> have >> found them >> very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great >> grandfather, Wenzl >> Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the >> opportunity >> to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG >> problem. I did see that >> there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it >> be that this castle >> was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? >> >> Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records >> indicated that he was >> a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry >> > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and >> > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the >> names >> > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their >> > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over >> several >> > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had >> it >> > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. >> > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they >> > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it >> > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. >> > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. >> > >> > Link: >> > >> > >> http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: >> > > >> > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen >> > > >> > > I understand the German. >> > > >> > > Does this help? >> > > >> > > best, >> > > Paul >> > > >> > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: >> > > >> > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, >> because >> > > there >> > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in >> > the >> > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) >> > > archives >> > > > and which you can access from your home computer. >> > > > Aida >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and >> I >> > > have >> > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came >> from >> > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >> > > >> >> > > >> Are any of these records online? >> > > >> >> > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks. >> > > >> >> > > >> Paul >> > > >> Oregon >> > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > >> ------------------------------- >> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > > without >> > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> >> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

I have to send the clippings from the Estates and their owners to your personal email as I cannot attach it here. This record is from 1840 and the owner at that time was Freiherr (Baron) Johann Anton von Starck. In the clippings you will find some of the people employed at the estate. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > I found Rochlawa to be part of the Gut Tschemin in the Mies-Pilsen > district. It was owned by Freiherr (Baron) Joseph von Erben. > I found this in Sommer's Schematismus for the Kingdom of Bohemia on this > link: > > http://books.google.com/books?id=3LgAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=www.mies-pilsen.de+Rochlowa&source=bl&ots=MUssxXDlWp&sig=0VVo5FF1ovb_1KdL4AasMqUUJCs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CsMwT8y-Juns2gWtn8i8Bw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=www.mies-pilsen.de%20Rochlowa&f=false > Now I am will look at Gut (Estate) Tschemin, it seems there were only a > few houses in 1830, and the people living there were most likely employed > by the estate. I will report what else I could find later. > Aida > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald >> area. Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. >> However, you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German >> territory toward the Bavarian border. >> http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Aida, >>> >>> I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I >>> have >>> found them >>> very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great >>> grandfather, Wenzl >>> Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the >>> opportunity >>> to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG >>> problem. I did see that >>> there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it >>> be that this castle >>> was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? >>> >>> Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records >>> indicated that he was >>> a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry >>> > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and >>> > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the >>> names >>> > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran >>> their >>> > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over >>> several >>> > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either >>> had it >>> > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. >>> > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as >>> they >>> > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it >>> > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. >>> > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. >>> > >>> > Link: >>> > >>> > >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: >>> > > >>> > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen >>> > > >>> > > I understand the German. >>> > > >>> > > Does this help? >>> > > >>> > > best, >>> > > Paul >>> > > >>> > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, >>> because >>> > > there >>> > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names >>> in >>> > the >>> > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) >>> > > archives >>> > > > and which you can access from your home computer. >>> > > > Aida >>> > > > >>> > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), >>> and I >>> > > have >>> > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came >>> from >>> > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Are any of these records online? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Thanks. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Paul >>> > > >> Oregon >>> > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > > without >>> > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >> >>> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > > ------------------------------- >>> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >