How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida always and also the others!!!!! I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann and his family: According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still don't know where). He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" (lawyer?) Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the others family registers). Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz Gromann, with no reference he was dead. In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: práporécníka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulové. Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in São Paulo, Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any military record, that could help to clarify it. I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. Thanks for any help. Chris

Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of Nikolsburg (Mikulove). Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned. For not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! This is excellent research on your part! I am proud of you! Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you translated that correctly. And you also found that the child was legalized once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while the father was in the military. As to this sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)" Go back to the original text and look at the word corporate. I presume you misread this and could be an le instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army? Also it is quite possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording this name. Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. Could he be recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it could be another Gromann relative. If there is a cross next to the name of a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel" he was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a Lieutenant. Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you are researching a family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the place as it looks now. Good luck to you! It is very exciting to share your success. Thank you for your report. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann <gromann@uol.com.br>wrote: > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann > and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > práporécníka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulové. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in São Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear Aida, Thanks so so much for everything! It means a lot to me, you cant imagine how much!!!! Actually I am studying  older posts from you (to learn about everyday life), I had learn that is always good to come back in some posts, websites, etc... I have always find something new. Ive been waiting for about one year from Krieg Archives. So I am using this time to learn and research, maybe if I have luck to find more about my ancestors. I have to thanks also to internet. lol.... It made all this possible, even meeting you! I had wrote here something wrong (I have to apologize about my English). All the records Id found was from the village of Hranice (Mährisch WeiÃkirchen), but reading it gave the ideia of looking in Nikolsburg registers, I dont know if is possible to find something there. Another thing that I am sure I wasnt clear: Antonia Ottilia was not legitimated on her birth register, I think she had never married (it was normal?), at her burial record (1856) was written her father`s name but, ``if`` the cross in the other burial record of the 2nd daughter, Anna Catharina in 1807 is right, who declared the  burial register of Antonia Otillia wasnt her father, and makes impossible that my gggfather Johann Gromann is really the son of Franz Gromann bc he was born about 1 year and 4 months after the burial record of 1807. I will look again the records, and I will let you know. As much I learn, more questions I have... Thanks always, Chris _________________________________________________________________ Em 29/02/2012 12:17, Aida Kraus < birchbaylady@gmail.com > escreveu: Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of Nikolsburg (Mikulove). Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned. For not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! This is excellent research on your part! I am proud of you! Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you translated that correctly. And you also found that the child was legalized once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while the father was in the military. As to this sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)" Go back to the original text and look at the word corporate. I presume you misread thi s and could be an le instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army? Also it is quite possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording this name. Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. Could he be recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it could be another Gromann relative. If there is a cross next to the name of a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel" he was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a Lieutenant. Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you are researching a family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the place as it looks now. Good luck to you! It is very exciting to share your success. Thank you for your report. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann wrote: > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann< br />> and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weis skirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > ; wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > práporécnÃka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulové. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could n ot find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in São Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site [1]http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site [2]http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message References 1. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ 2. http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/