Denise: To answer your first question "Could the father have been in the military?" I am answering with a very positive yes, because the children were declared legitimate at their wedding. He was unable to marry while in the military and married immediately after he had completed his tour of duty, probably as a carpenter in the k&k Austrian military. You might be able to find him on a microfilm entitled "Grundbuchblaetter diverse" which is available in alphabetical order of surnames. There are several rolls. Often, the widower married the sister of his wife because the children were better taken care of by a blood relative, like an aunt. I doubt very much that she became a nun, but more likely that she expected a difficult birth and went to the house of the midwife. Also Gynaecologists were already in place at larger villages or in towns, so there was medical help when difficult births were expected. I would suggest that you look at the name of the village where the child was born. It might be in the same parish church, but they have sections in the register for various villages served by the same parish church.. If you find that the birth village has another name of the village where they resided, you might want look in the death entries of that village. They are often listed a bit further back in the church register, or they are chronologically listed in the register, but then you must pay attention to the text, because they state the place of birth and death. This then would give you a much better clue as to what happened. You have to go through the entire register, not just what you see in the beginning, to realize how the priests organized their information. it is not uniform, and each priest has a different way of recording. Some very accurate, some very sloppy. Also, check on the child after a mother died giving birth, because quite often after the baby becomes also a casualty due to lack of proper nourishment. Although mothers often shared their milk with other babies and fed them as long as possible. Some of these babies were 4 years old before they were weaned, because during breast feeding the mothers rarely conceived and they would go as long as their bodies produced milk. After all, that was the only birth control they knew at that time. Aida On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM, denice juneski <denicejusa@usfamily.net>wrote: > > I have found a baptism record for a relative of my cousin's in the Pilsen > archive online. She was born in 1884 in the village of Althutten, > Wassersuppen parish (Nemanice) and it was stated that she was illigitimate > and was legitimate by marriage of her father and mother in 1876. It > doesn't state that he was in the military. It states that he was a > zimmerman (a carpenter). It also states that they lived apart, 1974. > Could the father have been in the military? > > Also on her sister's birth record, who was born before her, it has the > same father but a different mother. That mother was a sister to his wife. > I can't find what happened to the mother of her older sister and my cousin > doesn't know. Could she have became a nun and/or went someplace else. I > didn't find her in the death records. It also states that the older sister > became legitimate at the marriage of her father in 1876. > > My cousin said that a relative hinted that those two sisters did not get > along well growing up but there was no word of that spoken in her house. > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you very much Aida for the great information! I read most of the e-mails and I'm grateful for all the information and help you give. I think the family research center in South Saint Paul will have the Grundbuchblatter Diverse. I will see if he is listed there. It is close to me. I will look more in the death records in the Pilsen archive online for the mother whose daughter was raised by her sister and the father of the daughter who married her sister. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <birchbaylady@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:34 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns > Denise: > To answer your first question "Could the father have been in the > military?" > I am answering with a very positive yes, because the children were > declared > legitimate at their wedding. He was unable to marry while in the military > and married immediately after he had completed his tour of duty, probably > as a carpenter in the k&k Austrian military. You might be able to find > him > on a microfilm entitled "Grundbuchblaetter diverse" which is available in > alphabetical order of surnames. There are several rolls. > Often, the widower married the sister of his wife because the > children were better taken care of by a blood relative, like an aunt. I > doubt very much that she became a nun, but more likely that she expected a > difficult birth and went to the house of the midwife. Also Gynaecologists > were already in place at larger villages or in towns, so there was medical > help when difficult births were expected. I would suggest that you look > at > the name of the village where the child was born. It might be in the same > parish church, but they have sections in the register for various villages > served by the same parish church.. If you find that the birth village has > another name of the village where they resided, you might want look in the > death entries of that village. They are often listed a bit further back > in > the church register, or they are chronologically listed in the register, > but then you must pay attention to the text, because they state the place > of birth and death. This then would give you a much better clue as to > what happened. You have to go through the entire register, not just what > you see in the beginning, to realize how the priests organized their > information. it is not uniform, and each priest has a different way of > recording. Some very accurate, some very sloppy. > Also, check on the child after a mother died giving birth, because > quite often after the baby becomes also a casualty due to lack of proper > nourishment. Although mothers often shared their milk with other babies > and fed them as long as possible. Some of these babies were 4 years old > before they were weaned, because during breast feeding the mothers rarely > conceived and they would go as long as their bodies produced milk. After > all, that was the only birth control they knew at that time. > Aida > > On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM, denice juneski > <denicejusa@usfamily.net>wrote: > >> >> I have found a baptism record for a relative of my cousin's in the Pilsen >> archive online. She was born in 1884 in the village of Althutten, >> Wassersuppen parish (Nemanice) and it was stated that she was >> illigitimate >> and was legitimate by marriage of her father and mother in 1876. It >> doesn't state that he was in the military. It states that he was a >> zimmerman (a carpenter). It also states that they lived apart, 1974. >> Could the father have been in the military? >> >> Also on her sister's birth record, who was born before her, it has the >> same father but a different mother. That mother was a sister to his >> wife. >> I can't find what happened to the mother of her older sister and my >> cousin >> doesn't know. Could she have became a nun and/or went someplace else. I >> didn't find her in the death records. It also states that the older >> sister >> became legitimate at the marriage of her father in 1876. >> >> My cousin said that a relative hinted that those two sisters did not get >> along well growing up but there was no word of that spoken in her house. >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >