I'd also be interested in seeing the site: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride. I'm new to this list, and finding it fascinating! I need to know where people are finding all this information. Are there web sites, or were they able to visit libraries/archives in various cities? thanks, cheryl ________________________________ From: "german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics: 1. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Mark Prokosch) 2. Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns (Christiane Gromann) 3. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus) 4. Re: Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns (Aida Kraus) 5. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Carroll Warschak) 6. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus) 7. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (HELEN M WHITE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:41:12 -0600 From: "Mark Prokosch" <mgprokosch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009801ccf6d7$0a2a7d20$1e7f7760$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM To: GBHS Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have saved it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot be attached to this rootsweb mail. I will have then on file again! Thank you! Aida German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:48:49 -0300 From: "Christiane Gromann" <gromann@uol.com.br> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DD0E81BF4D8F4F5B8ADD964CB721C784@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida always and also the others!!!!! I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann and his family: According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still don't know where). He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" (lawyer?) Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the others family registers). Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz Gromann, with no reference he was dead. In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any military record, that could help to clarify it. I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. Thanks for any help. Chris ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:48:23 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAMswtwqb73PiCgUXjZJDCcAYTUj0o+5Mfrgs-BLDNzUPhOZXeQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, that was it..... and I thank you so very very much. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> wrote: > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM > To: GBHS > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the > old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and > forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a > few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have > saved > it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as > attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot > be > attached to this rootsweb mail. > I will have then on file again! Thank you! > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:17:46 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAMswtwqSP80CW2P0WG2riF+7UHLZJsPue9FWtH54HKVpE26m6Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of Nikolsburg (Mikulove). Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned. For not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! This is excellent research on your part! I am proud of you! Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you translated that correctly. And you also found that the child was legalized once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while the father was in the military. As to this sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)" Go back to the original text and look at the word corporate. I presume you misread this and could be an le instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army? Also it is quite possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording this name. Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. Could he be recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it could be another Gromann relative. If there is a cross next to the name of a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel" he was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a Lieutenant. Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you are researching a family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the place as it looks now. Good luck to you! It is very exciting to share your success. Thank you for your report. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann <gromann@uol.com.br>wrote: > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann > and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CEC50D9A68F9FA-23F0-625E@webmail-d183.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Mark, I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. I was not aware of this PBS presentation. Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? Thank you. Carroll Warschak -----Original Message----- From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:39:54 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAMswtwq03hN_L2EP7a6MT8aRj02NcqkSiNRF1Xt2rj6DSxq8Qg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:20:10 -0700 From: HELEN M WHITE <hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CALTeD8t35By__gHT1=46ZPbiijpzT2D53VoDu3cm2nq0HfA+Ow@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To me also,.....PLEASE? .....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com<.....PLEASE?.....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *hwhitemc* "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak kindly." ...by Sam @ MTPR ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Cheryl, it would be very instructive for you to search the German Bohemian Rootsweb archive where a lot of information has been posted over the years. You can scan the subjects and pick out what is of interest to you and you will be able to learn a lot from our discussions on this list. I am also attaching a few computer links for you. Link to German Bohemian Archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Available record archives on line: https://beta.familysearch.org/s/collection/list#page=1®ion=EUROPE For background help on your ancestors the beststarting source with all of Ellis Island Registers is here: http://www.stevemorse.org/ Starting a genealogical search: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/index.html http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/orte/ort-index.html and click on the alphabetical listing of the old German names of the villages and see what is available. A good way to start searching is by using these tools: http://www.familysearch.org/ - name search www.geneanet.com - name search Ellis Island Register and Castle Garden Register at the NARA website (where you also find ships lists) In some cases they list the place of origin. Family search: http://www.familysearch.org/ Name search: www.geneanet.com I hope that this will keep you busy for a while and we are wishing you success. Aida ------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 12:51 PM, cheryl owens <ctkral@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'd also be interested in seeing the site: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride. > I'm new to this list, and finding it fascinating! I need to know where > people are finding all this information. Are there web sites, or were they > able to visit libraries/archives in various cities? > thanks, > cheryl > > > ________________________________ > From: "german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com" < > german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:20 AM > Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Mark Prokosch) > 2. Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns > (Christiane Gromann) > 3. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus) > 4. Re: Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns (Aida Kraus) > 5. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Carroll Warschak) > 6. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus) > 7. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (HELEN M WHITE) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:41:12 -0600 > From: "Mark Prokosch" <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009801ccf6d7$0a2a7d20$1e7f7760$@gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM > To: GBHS > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the > old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and > forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a > few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have > saved > it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as > attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot > be > attached to this rootsweb mail. > I will have then on file again! Thank you! > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:48:49 -0300 > From: "Christiane Gromann" <gromann@uol.com.br> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & > Nuns > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <DD0E81BF4D8F4F5B8ADD964CB721C784@DELL> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann > and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:48:23 -0800 > From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAMswtwqb73PiCgUXjZJDCcAYTUj0o+5Mfrgs-BLDNzUPhOZXeQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Yes, that was it..... and I thank you so very very much. > Aida > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > I sent you one... > > I think it is it. > > > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM > > To: GBHS > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > > Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the > > old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and > > forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and > lost a > > few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have > > saved > > it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as > > attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot > > be > > attached to this rootsweb mail. > > I will have then on file again! Thank you! > > Aida > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:17:46 -0800 > From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & > Millitary & Nuns > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAMswtwqSP80CW2P0WG2riF+7UHLZJsPue9FWtH54HKVpE26m6Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! > The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of > Nikolsburg (Mikulove). Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait > for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned. For > not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! > This is excellent research on your part! I am proud of you! > Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you > translated that correctly. And you also found that the child was legalized > once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while > the father was in the military. > As to this sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in > Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)" Go back to the original text and > look at the word corporate. I presume you misread this and could be an le > instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army? Also it is quite > possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have > to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording > this name. Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. > Could he be recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it > could be another Gromann relative. If there is a cross next to the name of > a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel" he > was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a > Lieutenant. Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you are researching a > family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house > numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, > you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, > you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the > place as it looks now. > Good luck to you! > It is very exciting to share your success. Thank you for your report. > Aida > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann <gromann@uol.com.br > >wrote: > > > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > > always and also the others!!!!! > > > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz > Gromann > > and his family: > > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > > don't know where). > > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder > Companie > > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > > (lawyer?) > > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, > and > > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, > in > > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting > is > > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in > the > > others family registers). > > > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; > 1856 > > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > > pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. > > > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, > I. > > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, > so I > > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice > region, > > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, > > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find > any > > military record, that could help to clarify it. > > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > > Thanks for any help. > > Chris > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:26:12 -0500 (EST) > From: Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CEC50D9A68F9FA-23F0-625E@webmail-d183.sysops.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:39:54 -0800 > From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAMswtwq03hN_L2EP7a6MT8aRj02NcqkSiNRF1Xt2rj6DSxq8Qg@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. > Aida > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> > wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > > Thank you. > > > > Carroll Warschak > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > > > > I sent you one... > > I think it is it. > > > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:20:10 -0700 > From: HELEN M WHITE <hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CALTeD8t35By__gHT1=46ZPbiijpzT2D53VoDu3cm2nq0HfA+Ow@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > To me also,.....PLEASE? > .....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com<.....PLEASE?.....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> > > > > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> > wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > > Thank you. > > > > Carroll Warschak > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > > > > I sent you one... > > I think it is it. > > > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > -- > *hwhitemc* > > "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak > kindly." ...by Sam @ MTPR > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 > ********************************************** > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >