Thanks so much to you, Mary & Aida...from this one posting I have more information that my family has ever had about Grandmother's home. I went to a book store and got some good maps and a book about the area as it exists now...it is a travel book with lots of pictures. I spent the afternoon reading them with my mother, who is 95. She is so happy, as am I. I now have a direction. My goal will be to learn a little more about the family if I can, and to, some time perhaps, visit to see if I can find the place they lived. My greatgrandfather was a miller, and I see this village is right on the river, as I would expect. There is a story about him pulling my grandma out of the river when she fell in as a little girl. I am quite sure this is the right Hammerdorf, near the Polish border, as some of the place names are familier, like Orlick, and with the river running through the village. Thank you both so very, very much! Margaret Johnson ----- Original Message ----- From: <german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 3:10 PM Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 73 > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Leder Family (Aida Kraus) > 2. Re: Leder Family (Mary Boyd) > 3. Re: Leder Family (Mary Boyd) > 4. Re: Leder Family (Aida Kraus) > 5. Re: Leder Family (Mary Boyd) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 05:49:31 -0700 > From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAPY_z9w3vRUR-q038vS_XLinZSZiKeXdGTCRNBoOi6BwNjsZKQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Margaret, this is what is offered for Hamernice Czech Republic records: > *Hamernice* (5864), environs of P???n, Soutok, Orlick? hory PLA; And for > more historical background go to this website: > http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/%C5%BDamberk > I suggest that you post your request for the Leder family on the German > Moravian rootsweb list where you might be better served than on the German > Bohemian list. > Aida > > On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Dear Margaret, Hammersdorf/Hamersdorf has the Czech name of Hamernice now >> and is north of Senftenberg, which is called Zumberk in Czech. Click on >> the link below and see some pictures of the area, where they also give >> direction to access birth certificates in this area. >> http://www.picturepastime.com/?c=ez&UF=-544825&UN=-770690&DG=PPL >> Since I cannot attach any maps here, I am sending you ( to your private >> Email) two old German detail maps of the area and a Czech map for >> present >> geographical location. I hope that this will help you along. >> Aida >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Margaret Johnson >> <mjo123@wildblue.net>wrote: >> >>> hello, I am looking for information about the Leder family, German >>> people who lived in what is now Czechoslovakia before WW2. They were >>> driven out after the war and relocated to various locations in Germany. >>> We >>> were told they lived in "Hammerdorf", but we cannot find Hammerdorf on >>> any >>> map. I believe it was somewhere east of Jena. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Margaret Johnson >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 09:39:55 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family > To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335285595.28854.YahooMailNeo@web160601.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ? > Margaret, > ? > Hammerdorf/Hamernice is a small village which belonged to the parish at > Himmlisch Rybnai/Nebesk? Rybn?. The next larger town near these villages > is Rokitnitz/Rokytnice v Orlick?ch hor?ch. They are in ENE?Czech > Republic?near the border with Poland. The vital records for Hammerdorf are > in the archive at Z?mrsk with the records for Himmlisch Rybnai. A quick > check showed that the church registers for Hammerdorf have been scanned > and are online. The link to information about available records at Z?mrsk > is here: > http://vychodoceskearchivy.cz/zamrsk/matriky/ > ? > Open or download the inventory of parish registers pdf file on this page. > Then you can search for Hammerdorf within the pdf file. There are links to > the downloadable church registers for each parish. The downloadable > registers are scanned pages of the churchbooks which have been compressed > into large zip files. I would recommend a fast internet connection as the > zip files are sometimes huge (over 500Mb each). > ? > I don't know why one would ask?for information about Hammerdorf/Hamernice > on the Moravian list when this village was obviously in Bohemia (in the > Adlergebirge)? > ? > Mary > > >>________________________________ >>From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family >> >>Margaret, this is what is offered for Hamernice Czech Republic records: >>*Hamernice* (5864), environs of P???n, Soutok, Orlick? hory PLA;? And for >>more historical background go to this website: >>http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/%C5%BDamberk >>I suggest that you post your request for the Leder family on the German >>Moravian rootsweb list where you might be better served than on the German >>Bohemian list. >>Aida >> >>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>wrote: >> >>> Dear Margaret, Hammersdorf/Hamersdorf has the Czech name of Hamernice >>> now >>> and is north of Senftenberg, which is called Zumberk in Czech.? Click on >>> the link below and see some pictures of the area, where they also give >>> direction to access birth certificates in this area. >>> http://www.picturepastime.com/?c=ez&UF=-544825&UN=-770690&DG=PPL >>> Since I cannot attach any maps here, I am sending you ( to your private >>> Email) two old German detail maps of the area and a Czech map? for >>> present >>> geographical location.? I hope that this will help you along. >>> Aida >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Margaret Johnson >>> <mjo123@wildblue.net>wrote: >>> >>>> hello,? I am looking for information about the Leder family, German >>>> people who lived in what is now Czechoslovakia before WW2.? They were >>>> driven out after the war and relocated to various locations in >>>> Germany.? We >>>> were told they lived in "Hammerdorf", but we cannot find Hammerdorf on >>>> any >>>> map.? I believe it was somewhere east of Jena. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Margaret Johnson >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 10:24:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family > To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335288264.57638.YahooMailNeo@web160604.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Margaret, a couple of other details ... > ? > According to an article written in the mid 1950's by one of the expellees, > Leder was one of the 10 most common surnames in the Himmlisch Rybnai area > and one of the 70 most common names in the Adlergebirge. > ? > In 1930, Hammerdorf had a population of 96 (2 Czechs, the rest German, all > Catholic) and 28 houses. > ? > Mary > ? > ? > > >>________________________________ >>From: Margaret Johnson <mjo123@wildblue.net> >>To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:56 PM >>Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family >> >>hello,? I am looking for information about the Leder family, German people >>who lived in what is now Czechoslovakia before WW2.? They were driven out >>after the war and relocated to various locations in Germany.? We were told >>they lived in "Hammerdorf", but we cannot find Hammerdorf on any map.? I >>believe it was somewhere east of Jena. >> >>Thank you, >> >>Margaret Johnson >>German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 11:28:30 -0700 > From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family > To: Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com>, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAPY_z9wdGQKmz+MVu2otDKdkQZ29Pw-KeKp8y0VVFCxBt-+LcQ@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Be careful, there are two Hamernice, the in question is near > Koeniggr?tz! Kralovehradecky > Kraj <http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EZ/82/index.html> > Aida > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com> wrote: > >> >> Margaret, >> >> Hammerdorf/Hamernice is a small village which belonged to the parish at >> Himmlisch Rybnai/Nebesk? Rybn?. The next larger town near these villages >> is >> Rokitnitz/Rokytnice v Orlick?ch hor?ch. They are in ENE Czech Republic >> near >> the border with Poland. The vital records for Hammerdorf are in the >> archive >> at Z?mrsk with the records for Himmlisch Rybnai. A quick check showed >> that >> the church registers for Hammerdorf have been scanned and are online. The >> link to information about available records at Z?mrsk is here: >> http://vychodoceskearchivy.cz/zamrsk/matriky/ >> >> Open or download the inventory of parish registers pdf file on this page. >> Then you can search for Hammerdorf within the pdf file. There are links >> to >> the downloadable church registers for each parish. The downloadable >> registers are scanned pages of the churchbooks which have been compressed >> into large zip files. I would recommend a fast internet connection as the >> zip files are sometimes huge (over 500Mb each). >> >> I don't know why one would ask for information about Hammerdorf/Hamernice >> on the Moravian list when this village was obviously in Bohemia (in the >> Adlergebirge)? >> >> Mary >> >> >> >________________________________ >> >From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >> >To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >> >Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:49 AM >> >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family >> > >> >Margaret, this is what is offered for Hamernice Czech Republic records: >> >*Hamernice* (5864), environs of P???n, Soutok, Orlick? hory PLA; And >> >for >> >more historical background go to this website: >> >http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/%C5%BDamberk >> >I suggest that you post your request for the Leder family on the German >> >Moravian rootsweb list where you might be better served than on the >> >German >> >Bohemian list. >> >Aida >> > >> >On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> >> Dear Margaret, Hammersdorf/Hamersdorf has the Czech name of Hamernice >> now >> >> and is north of Senftenberg, which is called Zumberk in Czech. Click >> >> on >> >> the link below and see some pictures of the area, where they also give >> >> direction to access birth certificates in this area. >> >> http://www.picturepastime.com/?c=ez&UF=-544825&UN=-770690&DG=PPL >> >> Since I cannot attach any maps here, I am sending you ( to your >> >> private >> >> Email) two old German detail maps of the area and a Czech map for >> present >> >> geographical location. I hope that this will help you along. >> >> Aida >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Margaret Johnson <mjo123@wildblue.net >> >wrote: >> >> >> >>> hello, I am looking for information about the Leder family, German >> >>> people who lived in what is now Czechoslovakia before WW2. They were >> >>> driven out after the war and relocated to various locations in >> Germany. We >> >>> were told they lived in "Hammerdorf", but we cannot find Hammerdorf >> >>> on >> any >> >>> map. I believe it was somewhere east of Jena. >> >>> >> >>> Thank you, >> >>> >> >>> Margaret Johnson >> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> >>> ------------------------------- >> >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2012 13:10:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family > To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1335298253.16311.YahooMailNeo@web160605.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > ? > True. But I don't think that?the one closer to K?niggr?tz (Hradec Kr?lov?) > was ever known as Hammerdorf. Was it? > > ? > >>________________________________ >>From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>To: Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com>; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:28 AM >>Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family >> >> >>Be careful, there are? two Hamernice, the in question is near Koeniggr?tz! >>Kralovehradecky Kraj >>Aida >> >> >>On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Mary Boyd <madb117@yahoo.com> wrote: >> >>? >>>Margaret, >>>? >>>Hammerdorf/Hamernice is a small village which belonged to the parish at >>>Himmlisch Rybnai/Nebesk? Rybn?. The next larger town near these villages >>>is Rokitnitz/Rokytnice v Orlick?ch hor?ch. They are in ENE?Czech >>>Republic?near the border with Poland. The vital records for Hammerdorf >>>are in the archive at Z?mrsk with the records for Himmlisch Rybnai. A >>>quick check showed that the church registers for Hammerdorf have been >>>scanned and are online. The link to information about available records >>>at Z?mrsk is here: >>>http://vychodoceskearchivy.cz/zamrsk/matriky/ >>>? >>>Open or download the inventory of parish registers pdf file on this page. >>>Then you can search for Hammerdorf within the pdf file. There are links >>>to the downloadable church registers for each parish. The downloadable >>>registers are scanned pages of the churchbooks which have been compressed >>>into large zip files. I would recommend a fast internet connection as the >>>zip files are sometimes huge (over 500Mb each). >>>? >>>I don't know why one would ask?for information about Hammerdorf/Hamernice >>>on the Moravian list when this village was obviously in Bohemia (in the >>>Adlergebirge)? >>>? >>>Mary >>> >>> >>>>________________________________ >>>>From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>>>To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>>>Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2012 5:49 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Leder Family >>> >>>> >>>>Margaret, this is what is offered for Hamernice Czech Republic records: >>>>*Hamernice* (5864), environs of P???n, Soutok, Orlick? hory PLA;? And >>>>for >>> >>>>more historical background go to this website: >>>>http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/dewiki/en/%C5%BDamberk >>>>I suggest that you post your request for the Leder family on the German >>>>Moravian rootsweb list where you might be better served than on the >>>>German >>>>Bohemian list. >>>>Aida >>>> >>>>On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Margaret, Hammersdorf/Hamersdorf has the Czech name of Hamernice >>>>> now >>>>> and is north of Senftenberg, which is called Zumberk in Czech.? Click >>>>> on >>>>> the link below and see some pictures of the area, where they also give >>>>> direction to access birth certificates in this area. >>>>> http://www.picturepastime.com/?c=ez&UF=-544825&UN=-770690&DG=PPL >>>>> Since I cannot attach any maps here, I am sending you ( to your >>>>> private >>>>> Email) two old German detail maps of the area and a Czech map? for >>>>> present >>>>> geographical location.? I hope that this will help you along. >>>>> Aida >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 5:56 PM, Margaret Johnson >>>>> <mjo123@wildblue.net>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> hello,? I am looking for information about the Leder family, German >>>>>> people who lived in what is now Czechoslovakia before WW2.? They were >>>>>> driven out after the war and relocated to various locations in >>>>>> Germany.? We >>>>>> were told they lived in "Hammerdorf", but we cannot find Hammerdorf >>>>>> on any >>>>>> map.? I believe it was somewhere east of Jena. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Margaret Johnson >>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/%7Egbhs/ >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>> without >>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>------------------------------- >>>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>------------------------------- >>>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 73 > **********************************************