If you give subject website a bit time to completely download, you will find text below it. I am copying some of the information here, so that you can go to the Schtetl seeker for the Jewish population in that area. Although this website is geared towards German settlements in these areas, they have a demograpy (see below) and it is a historic fact that where there were German settlements there were Jewish settlements as well. You can see that there is more Jewish population than German. Aida The text below is from that map link, so be sure to download it completely! a.. The first offical Russian census was held in 1897, highlighting the following ethnic groups in millions: 55 - Russians 22 - Ukrainians 8 - Poles 6 - White Russians 5 - Jews 4 - Balts 3 - Caucasians 2 - Germans (rounded from 1.8) "The following villages were established: 1894 - Podsosnovo; 1906 - Canes, Nikolaevka; 1907 - Protasovo, Elizavetgrad, Telmanovo, Krasnoarmejka, Marjanovka; 1908 - Gljaden, Udalnoe, Grishakovka, Orlovo, Kusak, Boronsk; 1909 - Cloroshee, Mixajlovka; 1910 - Sambor, Shoomanovka, Nikolaevka; 1912 - Ananjevka, Ekaterinovka, Serebropolje; and 1913 - Kamishenka. In total, the Slavgorodsk District had 14 German settlements by 1907 and 16 by 1909. By 1914, the German population in the district had more than 17 thousand men. The first German settlements experienced religious segregation. The Catholics settled in Olgino, Otradnoe, and Barskoe, and the Lutherans lived in Novenkoe, Kruglenkoe, Podsosnovo and Prishib. Among the settlers were Altai Mennonites. Altay Mennonites basically came from the earlier based affiliated colonies of Orlovo-Zagradovskoi, Ufa, Samara, Orenburg, and the Crimeas. In 1910, the German villages were incorporated into Oryol volosts (small rural districts). In 1916, one more volost was formed with Xorise as its center, which completed the formation of German settlements in Altai. The settlers who arrived later were placed in the existing occupied villages. " ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo Davis" <scenmkr106@wowway.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:44 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > What's missing or wrong with this 1700 - 1800 German-Russian Settlement > map, Lavrentiy? > << http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm >> > > Would you, then, know anything about 'Jewish'-German local settlers in > this time frame? Were they part of this "settlement" movement back then? > How about the early 1900's? > > I appreciate any comments. > > Jo Davis > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

Please note that Galicia was never part of the Russian Empire. The statistics that Roll has, which Aida provides below, provides the ethnic composition of the European portion of the Russian Empire (i.e. the statistics do not show the ethnic composition of Galicia). ________ Lavrentiy Krupniak aida kraus wrote: > > If you give subject website a bit time to completely download, you will > find text below it. I am copying some of the information here, so that you > can go to the Schtetl seeker for the Jewish population in that area. > Although this website is geared towards German settlements in these areas, > they have a demograpy (see below) and it is a historic fact that where there > were German settlements there were Jewish settlements as well. You can see > that there is more Jewish population than German. > Aida > The text below is from that map link, so be sure to download it completely! > > a.. The first offical Russian census was held in 1897, highlighting the > following ethnic groups in millions: > 55 - Russians > 22 - Ukrainians > 8 - Poles > 6 - White Russians > 5 - Jews > 4 - Balts > 3 - Caucasians > 2 - Germans (rounded from 1.8) > > "The following villages were established: 1894 - Podsosnovo; 1906 - Canes, > Nikolaevka; 1907 - Protasovo, Elizavetgrad, Telmanovo, Krasnoarmejka, > Marjanovka; 1908 - Gljaden, Udalnoe, Grishakovka, Orlovo, Kusak, Boronsk; > 1909 - Cloroshee, Mixajlovka; 1910 - Sambor, Shoomanovka, Nikolaevka; 1912 - > Ananjevka, Ekaterinovka, Serebropolje; and 1913 - Kamishenka. In total, the > Slavgorodsk District had 14 German settlements by 1907 and 16 by 1909. By > 1914, the German population in the district had more than 17 thousand men. > The first German settlements experienced religious segregation. The > Catholics settled in Olgino, Otradnoe, and Barskoe, and the Lutherans lived > in Novenkoe, Kruglenkoe, Podsosnovo and Prishib. Among the settlers were > Altai Mennonites. Altay Mennonites basically came from the earlier based > affiliated colonies of Orlovo-Zagradovskoi, Ufa, Samara, Orenburg, and the > Crimeas. In 1910, the German villages were incorporated into Oryol volosts > (small rural districts). In 1916, one more volost was formed with Xorise as > its center, which completed the formation of German settlements in Altai. > The settlers who arrived later were placed in the existing occupied > villages. " > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Davis" <scenmkr106@wowway.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:44 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > > > What's missing or wrong with this 1700 - 1800 German-Russian Settlement > > map, Lavrentiy? > > << http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm >> > > > > Would you, then, know anything about 'Jewish'-German local settlers in > > this time frame? Were they part of this "settlement" movement back then? > > How about the early 1900's? > > > > I appreciate any comments. > > > > Jo Davis > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

Aida ... The next down express my deep appreciation to you, even if not all the data is (per Laurence) not perfectly correct. It is only in the back-n-forth of info sharing that we get to a better consensus on maps and, for that matter, LOTS of other issues between peoples all over the globe! I have the feeling that some errors in data won't stop your contributions, but wanted you to know that this gen-dedicated detective hasn't fallen off the band wagon. There is so much going on in my own "baliwick" that I find the days too short to do all I want, which is why this (next down) is/was still sitting on my desk this morning... <<Aida .. You are SO on target! Don't know how you do it all and so quickly, but sure do appreciate your works ... for everyone! Best regards, Jo PS: I think I did download it all, but likely didn't scroll all the way down! (:-| Going back there right now! >> ----- Original Message----- From: "aida kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > If you give subject website a bit time to completely download, you will > find text below it. I am copying some of the information here, so that > you can go to the Schtetl seeker for the Jewish population in that area. > Although this website is geared towards German settlements in these areas, > they have a demograpy (see below) and it is a historic fact that where > there were German settlements there were Jewish settlements as well. You > can see that there is more Jewish population than German. > Aida > The text below is from that map link, so be sure to download it > completely! > > a.. The first offical Russian census was held in 1897, highlighting the > following ethnic groups in millions: > 55 - Russians > 22 - Ukrainians > 8 - Poles > 6 - White Russians > 5 - Jews > 4 - Balts > 3 - Caucasians > 2 - Germans (rounded from 1.8) > > "The following villages were established: 1894 - Podsosnovo; 1906 - Canes, > Nikolaevka; 1907 - Protasovo, Elizavetgrad, Telmanovo, Krasnoarmejka, > Marjanovka; 1908 - Gljaden, Udalnoe, Grishakovka, Orlovo, Kusak, Boronsk; > 1909 - Cloroshee, Mixajlovka; 1910 - Sambor, Shoomanovka, Nikolaevka; > 1912 - Ananjevka, Ekaterinovka, Serebropolje; and 1913 - Kamishenka. In > total, the Slavgorodsk District had 14 German settlements by 1907 and 16 > by 1909. By 1914, the German population in the district had more than 17 > thousand men. > The first German settlements experienced religious segregation. The > Catholics settled in Olgino, Otradnoe, and Barskoe, and the Lutherans > lived in Novenkoe, Kruglenkoe, Podsosnovo and Prishib. Among the settlers > were Altai Mennonites. Altay Mennonites basically came from the earlier > based affiliated colonies of Orlovo-Zagradovskoi, Ufa, Samara, Orenburg, > and the Crimeas. In 1910, the German villages were incorporated into Oryol > volosts (small rural districts). In 1916, one more volost was formed with > Xorise as its center, which completed the formation of German settlements > in Altai. The settlers who arrived later were placed in the existing > occupied villages. " > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Davis" <scenmkr106@wowway.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:44 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > > >> What's missing or wrong with this 1700 - 1800 German-Russian Settlement >> map, Lavrentiy? >> << http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm >> >> >> Would you, then, know anything about 'Jewish'-German local settlers in >> this time frame? Were they part of this "settlement" movement back then? >> How about the early 1900's? >> >> I appreciate any comments. >> >> Jo Davis