List Members, One item which has not been mentioned in the recent discusions, is that between 1919 and 1938, not all the Sudeten Germans were inclined to be part of the German Reich. Czechoslovakia had a multiparty membership and a high number of the German speaking population belonged to a Social Democratic party (i.e. similar to the NDP in Canada or the Labour Party in England) , the Communist Parrty had also a considerable membership. They were represented in the Czech Parlament and persecuteded by the Nazi Party. Many members of the SDP party escaped to England and a number also settled in Canada. This Antinazi group was not recognized after WW 2 in Czechoslovakia and a number of the members settled in Germany or remained abroad. Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard anderson" <andyandkathy@cox.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Laurences question. >I have on line the complete Moletein book if any one wants one let me > know... It is very interesting.. I have it on pdf and can email it to > you.. > Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@erols.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:08 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Laurences question. > > > > Thanks Aida, Karen, and Frank. > > I now seek thoughts/opinions about would have been the likely > relationship of Czechs and Sudeten Germans in Czechoslavakia after World > War II if the Sudeten Germans were not deported to Germany after World > War II. > > ______ > > Lavrentiy > > . > > > > Frank Soural wrote: >> >> Here is Laurence Krupniacs question. >> >> I know, but my question is why Bohemian Germans didn't also move to >> democratic Germany after WWI if they didn't like the Czechoslovakian >> government (i.e. the post-World War I CZ government)? >> -------------------------------------------------------------- >> Laurence. There are several reasons why this has not happened on a large >> scale. >> >> A good portion of Sudeten Germans (including myself) grew up in a > bilingual >> culture It was natural for us to switch instantly into Czech and back > again, >> when needed. So it was not a question of "not liking" the CZ government >> in >> Prague. I am sure my parents and GP's accepted the Prague Government as a >> fact of life. >> >> Furthermore, The German areas had been colonized in a big way since 1254 > AD >> on behest of the Bohemian King Ottokar II and his faithful servant the > good >> Bishop of Olmuetz (Olomouc)Bruno von Schaumburg who helped him settle the >> North Eastern part of Bohemia and Moravia. Our villages were our "Heimat" >> our Homeland and there was no reason for anyone to abandon >> our places just because we did not like the Government in Prague. >> I am sure you can draw a parallel with your own situation in the US. >> >> >From reading about the Sudeten history I conclude that all that was > demanded >> in 1918 by the German areas was to be granted democratic rights of "Self >> Determination" preferably under Austria or under a Federal Government >> in Prag. Neither was granted. Aida recently gave us an account of the 54 > who >> were shot by the Czechs during a peaceful demonstration. By 1945 there > were >> 3.5 million of us among roughly 8 million, in a "Multi Nation State" that >> Czechoslovakia always was, since it's inception. >> >> The concept of "Heimat" is very powerful notion that affects people, >> particularly when they have lost it. Because of this closeness to what is > no >> longer theirs the Sudeten's are often labeled neo Nazis which >> I personally find to be utter hogwash and out of touch with reality. >> >> I have researched several topics dear to my heart, pertaining to the >> early >> German settlements which were subsequently published as articles in "Nase >> Rodina" and the "FEEFHS Journal". You may have come across them. >> >> If you need a refresher I'd be glad to send them to you electronically. >> >> Titles that may be of interest: >> >> . The early German Settlements in North eastern Moravia, >> Subtitled: And what the Pied Piper of Hamelin had to do with it. >> >> . The Celts in Moravia. With additional information on recent >> Archeological digs and kind permission of the Museum in >> Moravska Trebova. (Mährisch Trübau). >> >> Frank > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > >

Correct.... and there were quite a few that were immediately removed to concentration camps upon Hitler's arrival in the Sudetenland. Or they were otherwise "punished" for not eagerly awaiting the German Army's arrival or not decorating their houses with flags. They watched who did and did not join the NSDAP party and if you did not, they disowned people's businesses, avoided giving them government contracts, or demoted them to another job. Gestapo raids and other annoying interferences were on the order of everyday occurrences. They set up Nazi "Blockwart" persons, and these former "low lives" were indeed real "warts" because they observed all the people in the neighborhood and reported everyone's behavior as either pro and anti Nazi. We have several cases in our family where one uncle spent 2 years at Dachau.... and now the paradox.... while his nearly 2 m (about 6'4') tall son was selected to serve in Hitler's personal "Leibstandarte" guard. On purpose, perhaps? It was a crazy world alright and what most of our people learned during these years was this: Life is like a pasta dough..... lets become smooth enough to squeeze softly through the holes!" Aida ------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Schwarz" <schwarzs@ebtech.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Laurences question. > List Members, One item which has not been mentioned in the recent > discusions, is that between 1919 and 1938, not all the Sudeten Germans > were inclined to be part of the German Reich. Czechoslovakia had a > multiparty membership and a high number of the German speaking population > belonged to a Social Democratic party (i.e. similar to the NDP in Canada > or the Labour Party in England) , the Communist Parrty had also a > considerable membership. They were represented in the Czech Parlament and > persecuteded by the Nazi Party. Many members of the SDP party escaped to > England and a number also settled in Canada. This Antinazi group was not > recognized after WW 2 in Czechoslovakia and a number of the members > settled in Germany or remained abroad. Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "richard anderson" <andyandkathy@cox.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Laurences question. > > >>I have on line the complete Moletein book if any one wants one let me >> know... It is very interesting.. I have it on pdf and can email it to >> you.. >> Kathy >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@erols.com> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006 7:08 AM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Laurences question. >> >> >> >> Thanks Aida, Karen, and Frank. >> >> I now seek thoughts/opinions about would have been the likely >> relationship of Czechs and Sudeten Germans in Czechoslavakia after World >> War II if the Sudeten Germans were not deported to Germany after World >> War II. >> >> ______ >> >> Lavrentiy >> >> . >> >> >> >> Frank Soural wrote: >>> >>> Here is Laurence Krupniacs question. >>> >>> I know, but my question is why Bohemian Germans didn't also move to >>> democratic Germany after WWI if they didn't like the Czechoslovakian >>> government (i.e. the post-World War I CZ government)? >>> -------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Laurence. There are several reasons why this has not happened on a large >>> scale. >>> >>> A good portion of Sudeten Germans (including myself) grew up in a >> bilingual >>> culture It was natural for us to switch instantly into Czech and back >> again, >>> when needed. So it was not a question of "not liking" the CZ government >>> in >>> Prague. I am sure my parents and GP's accepted the Prague Government as >>> a >>> fact of life. >>> >>> Furthermore, The German areas had been colonized in a big way since 1254 >> AD >>> on behest of the Bohemian King Ottokar II and his faithful servant the >> good >>> Bishop of Olmuetz (Olomouc)Bruno von Schaumburg who helped him settle >>> the >>> North Eastern part of Bohemia and Moravia. Our villages were our >>> "Heimat" >>> our Homeland and there was no reason for anyone to abandon >>> our places just because we did not like the Government in Prague. >>> I am sure you can draw a parallel with your own situation in the US. >>> >>> >From reading about the Sudeten history I conclude that all that was >> demanded >>> in 1918 by the German areas was to be granted democratic rights of "Self >>> Determination" preferably under Austria or under a Federal Government >>> in Prag. Neither was granted. Aida recently gave us an account of the 54 >> who >>> were shot by the Czechs during a peaceful demonstration. By 1945 there >> were >>> 3.5 million of us among roughly 8 million, in a "Multi Nation State" >>> that >>> Czechoslovakia always was, since it's inception. >>> >>> The concept of "Heimat" is very powerful notion that affects people, >>> particularly when they have lost it. Because of this closeness to what >>> is >> no >>> longer theirs the Sudeten's are often labeled neo Nazis which >>> I personally find to be utter hogwash and out of touch with reality. >>> >>> I have researched several topics dear to my heart, pertaining to the >>> early >>> German settlements which were subsequently published as articles in >>> "Nase >>> Rodina" and the "FEEFHS Journal". You may have come across them. >>> >>> If you need a refresher I'd be glad to send them to you electronically. >>> >>> Titles that may be of interest: >>> >>> . The early German Settlements in North eastern Moravia, >>> Subtitled: And what the Pied Piper of Hamelin had to do with it. >>> >>> . The Celts in Moravia. With additional information on recent >>> Archeological digs and kind permission of the Museum in >>> Moravska Trebova. (Mährisch Trübau). >>> >>> Frank >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To search the archives, go to: >> http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >> >> > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >