Karen, You are correct. It is now to the point I need to try other sources one of which is to try to find relatives who still live over there. Lord willing, I will have to visit my ancestors' homeland. I will also need to do some library searches and find a good genealogy library and then go to a local LDS. Thank you for all of your help. Mary -------------- Original message -------------- From: KarenHob@aol.com > In a message dated 5/13/2006 4:10:46 PM Mountain Standard Time, > mpettyjohn@comcast.net writes: > > I found a site with a link to the tax rolls but the link no longer worked. > Do you know a site where I can find the villages of that era. > Being servants does not mean they were on the staff at the castle. As Aida > said, just about every farmer's wife had a servant in the household if they > could find one to work for the pay they offered, and the farmers had them as > field hands and other helpers with the farm work. > > ------------------------ > > > Always try non-working links on another browser before giving up. > > Always try the first part of the URL as a separate search and then see if you > can go to other pages on the site if you find it is still there. > > All of us reach the point when we cannot do any more on the Internet except > collect information about where you have to go to find more information. > > You may be at that point and you will have to bite the bullet and start using > other sources. > > > ------------------------- > > > The tax rolls index does not have the places that are in the same estate > sorted. The index is by surname and jumps all over the map. You have to know > the name of the estate to find all the places if you want to page through the > whole thing looking for that. > > Aida has had that index and maybe she knows if there is an index in the back > that would refer you to all the pages for surnames related to one estate. > ------------------------ > > > You may find data on specific estates tax rolls in Heimat books associated > with your ancestral area but they will be in German. Of course that is not all > that important when dealing with place names and surnames associated with > each. They read the same in German or English. > > You may get some help on that by writing to the librarians at one of the > Heimat libraries and asking if they have a book that would include your > ancestral > places. > > > There is the Haus der Heimat in Nürnberg and another in Stuttgart. > Bibliothek@hdhbw.BWL.de > > The librarians at both places know English. Sometimes they will scan stuff > they have and Email it to you. Otherwise you get hard copy via snail mail and > you should offer to pay for that. > > ----------------------------- > > > Try Shtetlseeker.com to search for places by coordinates and see what it > comes up with if you use general numbers like 50; 13 or 50,7 > > If you find a place like Zdar and then click on the blue M link in the line > with it on the hit list you will get a map showing its location. That should > at least show the main places around the Schloss and you should be able to > find the German place names for the same places if you need them for parish > records. > > ---------------------- > > If you can't find a database a map will do if it is detailed enough. You > can get one from the University of WI library that would show the location of > the Schloss and all the places in the area around it. > > You may find the same information with German place names on the map at > http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/31-50.jpg > That map seems to include most of the sites on the MapQuest map generated at > Shtetlseeker. > ----------------------------------- > > > I don't know why the older maps do not have the same longitude that Aida said > is the correct one. Does anyone know when / if latitude designation changed? > > -------------------------- > > > The only source I know that lists the villages that belonged to a certain > noble estate would be the J.G. Sommer books. Even though they were written > between 1833 and 1849 they include older history of ownership of the estates > listed. The one for Elbogen Kreis may work for you on interlibrary loan. > > If you want more current history you may have to search with the name of the > noble family that was the last owner to see if they sold it and when. Or > maybe search with the name of the Estate. > > The estate may not be named Saar. Find Saar in the book's index and it will > take you to the pages that follows the chapter heading (name of the estate). > Page backward until you reach the title page for the name of the estate and > turther research. > > The estate may not have the same name as the parish, either. > > -------------------------- > > I understand there are some books out there that have maps of the old noble > estates of Bohemia but I have yet to find the maps. It is possible that there > are also maps that go with the individual district books about the Berni > Ruly/Berni Rula. But they would represent an earlier time when districts were > not at all the same and noble estates may also have been significantly different > in terms of their borders. > > If any list members knows about these books or the book that has the maps, > please tell the list the title and author. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >