Pam, where are your Webers, from, i have Weber in my family, from Bavaria Randy Mathes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from > AIDA!! thank you so so much!! this is very very helpful - it's like > piecing > together a foreign jigsaw puzzle and not knowing how to speak the > language! > :-) . .... which of course is exactly what it is! > > I'm off to do some searching! > > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, > CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, > SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, > DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, > THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > > A half-farmer means that he had a profession besides his farm. Usually > they > were butchers, bakers, innkeepers, etc. and also had a small farm holding. > A Burgher is a freeman living in a town and that he lived in a house with > a > low number means that he was a prominent person.. Probably one of the > first > ones to settle in this town and was probably on the city council or an > elder. If the records describe him as "Burgher" or "Richter" then he was a > city or village official - check the original documents carefully! > Burgher > means that he had the right to live in a town as a freeman and not as a > serf > for the nobility or abbey. > Merklin is Merkelsgrün just a bit to the North of Karlsbad (Karlovy > Vary > on a Czech map) on the foot of the picturesque Ore Mountains. > There are 9 Stankov towns in Bohemia, you will have to let me know > which > one it is, look in the documents perhaps it gives the "Kreis" (district) > and > then you can find it on this map I presume that it is the one closest to > Deutschreichenau "Rychnuvek" or the Castle Hradec. Check this link: > http://www.mapy.cz/?st=search&fr=Stankov&pw=541&ph=428&ocx=133890048&ocy=134938624&ozm=5&omp=base > and since the person of this town married a rather wealthy farmer's > daughter > from Deutschreichenau belonging to the Manor of Hradec, the Stankov above > might be in that surrounding area and you will have to do a little > hunting. > To give you a clue, Deutschreichenau can be found as "Rychnuvek" on this > above www.mapy.cz. just North of the Austrian-Bohemian border. And this > Hradec had the German name Wittinghausen at all times with the old castle > of > Wittigstein (1220-1277) established by the German Wittigonen. Here is a > link in English that you can read of describing this historic place: > http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/region/histor/t_vithra.htm > Pucherdorf must also be in that area and you have to hunt for it, I cannot > find the Czech equivalent at this time, perhaps someone out there could > help > in this! Or you can use the rules for finding places with their URL links > I > posted just a few days back. See GBHS archives and you will be able to > help > yourself. > Aida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > >> I'm also searching for family in this era - and I have a town in Bohemia >> that I've been searching for but find little on it - and was wondering if >> the name had changed - >> >> I'm searching for surname of SCHALLOM/SCHALOM/SCHOLLUM and the town I >> have >> is Celakovy - which according to google is located in CZ and it has a big >> map but that is the only thing I can find on this town. I also have the >> following info from a fellow relative in NZ who was gracious enough to >> give >> me this info - and I'd like to find out more if possible - any info or >> direction would be so appreciated: >> >> ***** >> JOHN SCHALLOM >> >> Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842. >> Place of wedding: Stankov - town. >> Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of CHRISTOPH SCHALOM half-farmer >> from Merklin # 35 and of Maria. >> 26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion. >> Bride: MARIA WEISS, legitimate daughter of GEORG WEISS burger in >> Stankov-town # 25 and of BARBARA daughter of THOMAS ENTELWEBER >> estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of >> Theresia nee Huter from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic >> >> ************** >> Can somone tell me what a HALF farmer is and what a BURGER is? I have >> not >> been able to get any really good info on my surnames in these areas so if >> anyone has an idea of where I can search, I would appreciate it. >> >> ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ >> Warrenton, MO >> http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com >> http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com >> Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, >> CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, >> SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, >> DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, >> THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where >> did >> they come from >> >> >> To Jean in Florida: >> They may have lived there all their lives, like all natives do..... but >> not >> all villages had churches and they only appear when the churches were >> built >> and the recording started. If they lived close to a monastery the >> records >> go as far back as when the cloister was built. Remember that everyone >> was >> a >> heathen before Christianity ...or they believed in their Germanic >> mythological gods... until they were converted. The Catholic faith was >> dominant between 600 and 1380 in middle Europe and it came to the area of >> Fulda and Wuerzburg from Ireland with St. Kilian. In 1380 the Wycliffe >> Thesis, a Protestant theorem, was taught by Jan Hus at the German >> University >> at Prague. Later Martin Luther took up the Protestant teaching. This >> lead >> to the 30 years war which ended 1648 but during which most of the >> churches >> and cloisters were burned. In Bohemia a census was taken in 1651 called >> Berni Rula because in that religious war more than 50% of the population >> succumbed and they needed to know what population was left over. This >> census is called Berni Rula and I gave "direction" to it a few days back, >> look in the archives. >> I myself have Zicklers in my family from the area of Marienbad-Tepl. >> Stift (Abby) Tepl was one of the earliest Catholic settlements in the >> Egerland by the Prämonstratenser order. It is wise to familiarize >> yourself >> with the history of the area you are researching. You can also read about >> it >> on the internet if you key in "Stift Tepl, Bohemia" or this website: >> http://www.premontre.org/subpages/propriadocumenta/periodica/sec-analecta.htm >> >> All your names appear to me to be either Egerlander or Bavarian-Bohemian >> German names and they were lived this area since time began. People did >> not >> move very far from their hometowns and most of the families lived in the >> same houses for 350 years. Each generation improved the premises and the >> houses were built of stone to last centuries. Most of the farms were >> quite >> substantial. >> Aida >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JEAN" <JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:19 PM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did >> they come from >> >> >>> Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, >>> NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. >>> I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they >>> just appear in the 1700s >>> can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am >>> beginning to think that they dropped out of space. >>> Thanks for any help >>> Jean in Fl >>> >>> >>> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >>> list? 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My Weber goes back on my husband's side (so I don't have a whole lot :-<) to a Joseph Weber, Sr. (1-05-1833 to 1-12-1892, born in Coerbecke Kries, Germany m to Catherine W. Probst (7-19-1841 to 5-10-1904) born in Kries Ahans Prussia. The both lived in Teutopolis, IL and had the following children: Elizabeth P., Henry, Anna, Joseph H. Jr., Charles J., Bernard, William Francis, John and Mary E.. My husband's line comes down thru Joseph H Jr WEBER m to Mary E. Thoele and his grandmotehr was their child Dorothy C. m to Edgar William Staley. any connection? Pam ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "randy mathes" <RANDALMATHES@peoplepc.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from Pam, where are your Webers, from, i have Weber in my family, from Bavaria Randy Mathes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from > AIDA!! thank you so so much!! this is very very helpful - it's like > piecing > together a foreign jigsaw puzzle and not knowing how to speak the > language! > :-) . .... which of course is exactly what it is! > > I'm off to do some searching! > > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, > CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, > SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, > DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, > THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:24 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > > A half-farmer means that he had a profession besides his farm. Usually > they > were butchers, bakers, innkeepers, etc. and also had a small farm holding. > A Burgher is a freeman living in a town and that he lived in a house with > a > low number means that he was a prominent person.. Probably one of the > first > ones to settle in this town and was probably on the city council or an > elder. If the records describe him as "Burgher" or "Richter" then he was a > city or village official - check the original documents carefully! > Burgher > means that he had the right to live in a town as a freeman and not as a > serf > for the nobility or abbey. > Merklin is Merkelsgrün just a bit to the North of Karlsbad (Karlovy > Vary > on a Czech map) on the foot of the picturesque Ore Mountains. > There are 9 Stankov towns in Bohemia, you will have to let me know > which > one it is, look in the documents perhaps it gives the "Kreis" (district) > and > then you can find it on this map I presume that it is the one closest to > Deutschreichenau "Rychnuvek" or the Castle Hradec. Check this link: > http://www.mapy.cz/?st=search&fr=Stankov&pw=541&ph=428&ocx=133890048&ocy=134938624&ozm=5&omp=base > and since the person of this town married a rather wealthy farmer's > daughter > from Deutschreichenau belonging to the Manor of Hradec, the Stankov above > might be in that surrounding area and you will have to do a little > hunting. > To give you a clue, Deutschreichenau can be found as "Rychnuvek" on this > above www.mapy.cz. just North of the Austrian-Bohemian border. And this > Hradec had the German name Wittinghausen at all times with the old castle > of > Wittigstein (1220-1277) established by the German Wittigonen. Here is a > link in English that you can read of describing this historic place: > http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/region/histor/t_vithra.htm > Pucherdorf must also be in that area and you have to hunt for it, I cannot > find the Czech equivalent at this time, perhaps someone out there could > help > in this! Or you can use the rules for finding places with their URL links > I > posted just a few days back. See GBHS archives and you will be able to > help > yourself. > Aida > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:11 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > >> I'm also searching for family in this era - and I have a town in Bohemia >> that I've been searching for but find little on it - and was wondering if >> the name had changed - >> >> I'm searching for surname of SCHALLOM/SCHALOM/SCHOLLUM and the town I >> have >> is Celakovy - which according to google is located in CZ and it has a big >> map but that is the only thing I can find on this town. I also have the >> following info from a fellow relative in NZ who was gracious enough to >> give >> me this info - and I'd like to find out more if possible - any info or >> direction would be so appreciated: >> >> ***** >> JOHN SCHALLOM >> >> Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842. >> Place of wedding: Stankov - town. >> Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of CHRISTOPH SCHALOM half-farmer >> from Merklin # 35 and of Maria. >> 26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion. >> Bride: MARIA WEISS, legitimate daughter of GEORG WEISS burger in >> Stankov-town # 25 and of BARBARA daughter of THOMAS ENTELWEBER >> estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of >> Theresia nee Huter from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic >> >> ************** >> Can somone tell me what a HALF farmer is and what a BURGER is? I have >> not >> been able to get any really good info on my surnames in these areas so if >> anyone has an idea of where I can search, I would appreciate it. >> >> ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ >> Warrenton, MO >> http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com >> http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com >> Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, >> CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, >> SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, >> DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, >> THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:57 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where >> did >> they come from >> >> >> To Jean in Florida: >> They may have lived there all their lives, like all natives do..... but >> not >> all villages had churches and they only appear when the churches were >> built >> and the recording started. If they lived close to a monastery the >> records >> go as far back as when the cloister was built. Remember that everyone >> was >> a >> heathen before Christianity ...or they believed in their Germanic >> mythological gods... until they were converted. The Catholic faith was >> dominant between 600 and 1380 in middle Europe and it came to the area of >> Fulda and Wuerzburg from Ireland with St. Kilian. In 1380 the Wycliffe >> Thesis, a Protestant theorem, was taught by Jan Hus at the German >> University >> at Prague. Later Martin Luther took up the Protestant teaching. This >> lead >> to the 30 years war which ended 1648 but during which most of the >> churches >> and cloisters were burned. In Bohemia a census was taken in 1651 called >> Berni Rula because in that religious war more than 50% of the population >> succumbed and they needed to know what population was left over. This >> census is called Berni Rula and I gave "direction" to it a few days back, >> look in the archives. >> I myself have Zicklers in my family from the area of Marienbad-Tepl. >> Stift (Abby) Tepl was one of the earliest Catholic settlements in the >> Egerland by the Prämonstratenser order. It is wise to familiarize >> yourself >> with the history of the area you are researching. You can also read about >> it >> on the internet if you key in "Stift Tepl, Bohemia" or this website: >> http://www.premontre.org/subpages/propriadocumenta/periodica/sec-analecta.htm >> >> All your names appear to me to be either Egerlander or Bavarian-Bohemian >> German names and they were lived this area since time began. People did >> not >> move very far from their hometowns and most of the families lived in the >> same houses for 350 years. Each generation improved the premises and the >> houses were built of stone to last centuries. Most of the farms were >> quite >> substantial. >> Aida >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------- >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JEAN" <JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:19 PM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did >> they come from >> >> >>> Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, >>> NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. >>> I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they >>> just appear in the 1700s >>> can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am >>> beginning to think that they dropped out of space. >>> Thanks for any help >>> Jean in Fl >>> >>> >>> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >>> list? To browse the archives, go to: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >>> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To browse the archives, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/