Aida, that is interesting news. My major professor in graduate school who happen to be Jewish often asked me if I am sure I wasn't Jewish. Now I will have to email her and tell her that I might have Jewish ancestors and give her the information you sent me. Pam will be excited when she reads this. I know of the famous musician Schubert and actually did a report on him while in my music appreciation class in college. I would find it very exciting if I was related to him. Aida, you have been a God send to me and many other people trying to find information on their ancestors. You have a loving, kind and giving soul and it is my priviledge to have been in communication with you. Mary -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > Mary, Jewish people often converted to Catholicism in Bohemia. Mine were > Jewish at Prague in 1651 and Catholic in Schuettenhofen Bohemia and Vienna > in 1700. So were actually Senator Kerry's ancestors, who are from Silesia, > Moravia and Austria. There was a good reason for it, the Habsburg Empire > did not do business with Jews very much, so anyone operating a business had > better success as a Catholic church-goer and the conversion of Hebrew names > to German phonetics was quite common. > Schubert: is actually a short version of Schuhmacher (shoemaker). Also > Schuwert. This name is found in Saxony, Silesia and Austria. The most > famous of course is composer Fanz Schubert! The name was recorded in 1361 as > Vierczigmark Schuworcht, and in 1417 there is a Heynmann Schuwort without a > location, Matis Schuwert 1451 in the Silesian Glatz and in Dux, Bohemia the > name is recorded in 1390 as Waczlab Schubort. It is also spelled Schubart. > Aida > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:36 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Schramm and Lexicon > > > > Aida, thank you. I misspelled Schubert. Would you mind seeing if > > Schubert is listed. Now that is interesting about Fieber and Gold. Pam > > has often wondered if we had Jewish ancestors even though Josef's family > > were Catholic. > > > > Mary > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Aida Kraus" > > > >> Rabel and Hyncica are most likely Czech names. The German version would > >> be > >> Rabl from Rabe (raven) found in Bavaria. > >> Fieber and Gold is not listed, you might find it in with a Jewish name > >> search. > >> Schuert or Schürt is not listed there either. Sorry, dear, but this did > >> not > >> pan out very well. > >> Aida > >> > >> --------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: > >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:10 PM > >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Schramm and Lexicon > >> > >> > >> > Awesome news about Schramm. Thank you Pam for sending this request. Now > >> > we might have some leads on additional ancestors of Joseph. Aida, thank > >> > you for looking for Pam. We are cousins. Some other names we are > >> > researching thanks to a professional researcher we hired to research > >> > our > >> > great grandfather Josef Michalek ancestors are > >> > Rabel > >> > Hyncica > >> > Fieber > >> > Gold > >> > Schuert > >> > > >> > Aida, would you be so kind to look in your Lexicon to see if any of the > >> > above names ore in it. > >> > > >> > Thank you and Blessing, > >> > > >> > Mary Pettyjohn > >> > > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> > From: "Helen" > >> > > >> >> Hello Aida, > >> >> Could Schram, Schramm be the same as SCHRAMEK? > >> >> > >> >> Could that magic book of yours find; > >> >> > >> >> LOY in Steiermark; > >> >> PEKAR in Bohmerwald > >> >> SCHRAMEK anywhere, possibly in Moravia? > >> >> All German, Catholic, and for sure in mid 1700's before emmigrating to > >> >> Bukovina > >> >> 1800. > >> >> > >> >> This web site is the best. Thanks to you and Karen. I read every entry > >> >> and > >> >> save many many as I search for my Bohemian ancesters. > >> >> > >> >> You two are THE BEST!!!!! > >> >> Helen White > >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > >> >> > Frierdich might be a misspelling of Friedrich, there is nothing > >> >> > listed > >> >> > under > >> >> > Frierdich! > >> >> > Michalek is a Czech name. > >> >> > Steppig must be some phonetic scramble, it is not listed in the > >> >> > Lexicon. > >> >> > Stoppich, ditto as above > >> >> > Schramm: now here is a hit ...this means "a scar" and is recorded > >> >> > for > >> >> > one > >> >> > Breitbeck mit der Schramme 1459 at Stolberg, and a schramecht Hensel > >> >> > 1396 at > >> >> > Budweis, and as Peter Schrammer 1381. In the Glatz (Silesia) it is > >> >> > recorded > >> >> > as Schremmel in 1353. > >> >> > Aida > >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Pam" > >> >> > To: > >> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:34 AM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > so would you have any idea what the following names meant? > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Frierdich > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Michalek > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Steppig/Stoppich > >> >> > > > >> >> > > Schramm > >> >> > > > >> >> > > thanks! > >> >> > > Pam > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > >> > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > >> > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > >> > > >> > >> > >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > >> list? 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