Yes, Aida I knew as much - I once took 'bible' lessons from an Orthodox Rabbi who was a holocaust survivor from CZ (NOW that is very interesting! hehe considering all the info I am finding) and filled us in on lots of history/culture/times and he always said that MICHALEK was a polish Jewish name ... I knew from my own research that the Catholic church since its conception in the 3rd century under Constantine forcibly (thru economic or religious) would have many subjugated countries convert to RCC or suffer the consequences. So it does not surprise me at all that my ancestors may have been Jewish and then had to convert due to circumstances. My journey is to find out the 'truth' ... not only from my own roots .. but from everything in life :-) .. thank you for being a part of that journey! Our other ancestors of FIEBER, RABEL SCHRAMM and GOLD and SCHUBERT (not sure how Friedrich fits into this equasion) I know are very Jewish sounding - guess it will take a trip to CZ to actually find out! Blessings ~ Pam ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SCHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Schramm and Lexicon Mary, Jewish people often converted to Catholicism in Bohemia. Mine were Jewish at Prague in 1651 and Catholic in Schuettenhofen Bohemia and Vienna in 1700. So were actually Senator Kerry's ancestors, who are from Silesia, Moravia and Austria. There was a good reason for it, the Habsburg Empire did not do business with Jews very much, so anyone operating a business had better success as a Catholic church-goer and the conversion of Hebrew names to German phonetics was quite common. Schubert: is actually a short version of Schuhmacher (shoemaker). Also Schuwert. This name is found in Saxony, Silesia and Austria. The most famous of course is composer Fanz Schubert! The name was recorded in 1361 as Vierczigmark Schuworcht, and in 1417 there is a Heynmann Schuwort without a location, Matis Schuwert 1451 in the Silesian Glatz and in Dux, Bohemia the name is recorded in 1390 as Waczlab Schubort. It is also spelled Schubart. Aida ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <mpettyjohn@comcast.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Schramm and Lexicon > Aida, thank you. I misspelled Schubert. Would you mind seeing if > Schubert is listed. Now that is interesting about Fieber and Gold. Pam > has often wondered if we had Jewish ancestors even though Josef's family > were Catholic. > > Mary > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > >> Rabel and Hyncica are most likely Czech names. The German version would >> be >> Rabl from Rabe (raven) found in Bavaria. >> Fieber and Gold is not listed, you might find it in with a Jewish name >> search. >> Schuert or Schürt is not listed there either. Sorry, dear, but this did >> not >> pan out very well. >> Aida >> >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 6:10 PM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Schramm and Lexicon >> >> >> > Awesome news about Schramm. Thank you Pam for sending this request. Now >> > we might have some leads on additional ancestors of Joseph. Aida, thank >> > you for looking for Pam. We are cousins. Some other names we are >> > researching thanks to a professional researcher we hired to research >> > our >> > great grandfather Josef Michalek ancestors are >> > Rabel >> > Hyncica >> > Fieber >> > Gold >> > Schuert >> > >> > Aida, would you be so kind to look in your Lexicon to see if any of the >> > above names ore in it. >> > >> > Thank you and Blessing, >> > >> > Mary Pettyjohn >> > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > From: "Helen" >> > >> >> Hello Aida, >> >> Could Schram, Schramm be the same as SCHRAMEK? >> >> >> >> Could that magic book of yours find; >> >> >> >> LOY in Steiermark; >> >> PEKAR in Bohmerwald >> >> SCHRAMEK anywhere, possibly in Moravia? >> >> All German, Catholic, and for sure in mid 1700's before emmigrating to >> >> Bukovina >> >> 1800. >> >> >> >> This web site is the best. Thanks to you and Karen. I read every entry >> >> and >> >> save many many as I search for my Bohemian ancesters. >> >> >> >> You two are THE BEST!!!!! >> >> Helen White >> >> ----------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > Frierdich might be a misspelling of Friedrich, there is nothing >> >> > listed >> >> > under >> >> > Frierdich! >> >> > Michalek is a Czech name. >> >> > Steppig must be some phonetic scramble, it is not listed in the >> >> > Lexicon. >> >> > Stoppich, ditto as above >> >> > Schramm: now here is a hit ...this means "a scar" and is recorded >> >> > for >> >> > one >> >> > Breitbeck mit der Schramme 1459 at Stolberg, and a schramecht Hensel >> >> > 1396 at >> >> > Budweis, and as Peter Schrammer 1381. In the Glatz (Silesia) it is >> >> > recorded >> >> > as Schremmel in 1353. >> >> > Aida >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Pam" >> >> > To: >> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 7:34 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > > so would you have any idea what the following names meant? >> >> > > >> >> > > Frierdich >> >> > > >> >> > > Michalek >> >> > > >> >> > > Steppig/Stoppich >> >> > > >> >> > > Schramm >> >> > > >> >> > > thanks! >> >> > > Pam >> > >> > >> > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> > >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? 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Hello Pam, You wrote in part: > I knew from my own research that the Catholic church since its > conception in the 3rd century under Constantine forcibly (thru > economic or religious) would have many subjugated countries convert > to RCC or suffer the consequences. ******* It's not true that Emperor Constantine founded the RCC (Roman Catholic Church): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_(emperor) http://gbgm-umc.org/UMW/Bible/ce.stm http://www.reformation.org/council_of_chalcedon.html ________ Lavrentiy Krupniak .