In a message dated 5/12/2006 4:58:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, alicemckenna@verizon.net writes: and noticed that in the Table of Contents they list an Estate named Saar, or Zdiar, spelled in Czech. The individual who was looking for Bohemians need not investigate the Saarland! It is tempting to think that might have been Saaz which is in the north central Egerland, and was an important place for growing hops for beermaking. Urs Geiser certainly can read Fraktur and Saar must be correct. Thank you for pointing this out! Karen

KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/12/2006 4:58:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, > alicemckenna@verizon.net writes: > > and noticed that in the Table of Contents they list an Estate named Saar, or > Zdiar, spelled in Czech. The individual who was looking for Bohemians need > not investigate the Saarland! > > It is tempting to think that might have been Saaz which is in the north > central Egerland, and was an important place for growing hops for beermaking. > > Urs Geiser certainly can read Fraktur and Saar must be correct. > > Thank you for pointing this out! > > Karen I have been reading Fraktur since I was a child, but I looked it up anyway, just to be sure. Saar/Zdiar (Zd'ar) is indeed correct, and distinct from Saaz. I can also find the town on the map Egerland-Nordböhmen 1:200,000 (Höfer Verlag). It is straight east from Schlackenwerth/Ostrov and straight south of Klösterle/Klasterec in the Duppau Mountains. You can also find it by going on a straight line from Karlsbad/Karlovy Vary not quite halfway to Saaz/Zatec. The first paragraph of Sommer's book describes its location as: "This dominion is located in the northeastern edge of the [Elbogen] district, on the right side of the Eger, and borders in the north on the dominion Klösterle (Saaz District), in the east on the dominions Winteritz and Maschau (same district), in the south on the dominion Duppau, and in the west on the same dominion, as well as the Gießhübel dominion." The towns within the dominion are (according to Sommer, 1847): Saar (pop.600), Mohlischen/Mollischen (pop.142), Sebeltitz/Seblitz (pop.99), Tiefenbach (pop.206), Olleschau (pop.299), and Hermannsdorf/Hermersdorf (pop.215); also 3 houses in Koßlau (dominion Duppau) If the person interested in this town wishes to contact me, I can look up some more statistics in Sommer's book (about 4 pages of various lists of economic significance). The book has NOTHING on specific families, except a little bit on the nobles who owned the dominion (the owner in 1847, Baron Fleißner of Wostrowitz, bought it in 1803 from the von Rostitz-Rienek family, who had owned it for the previous 141 years). -- Urs Geiser (ugeiser AT xnet.com) Woodridge (DuPage Co.), IL, USA

I didn't respond to this line of messages earlier because the person seeding the information appeared to be convinced the ancestral place was in Moravia. However, Since Saaz was considered, I have check the following site and there is a village named Zdar which was also known as Saar located in Bohemia, not far from my ancestral home. I think I have actually driven through it once or twice. Check here: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/saar.html Zdar is located west of Rakovnik (which is west of Prague) on the way from Kralovice to Jesenice. The above site is in German, so you will have to ask someone on the message board if you need help with the translating. I don't read or speak German. I use a German/English dictionary to get by, but from what I can tell it appears that the church at Zdar was a vicarate (branch church) under the administration of the church in Karlsbad (CZ: Karlovy Vary) from 1610. However, it appears that records only go up to 1803, and, if I understand correctly, the church completely ceased to function in the 1950s. But I may have some of this wrong and there are other bits I don't get at all. So, if you think this is the place and can't read it yourself, toss it to the list. There is plenty of help there. Bob Ullman ullman@easystreet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: KarenHob@aol.com To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-D Digest V06 #113 In a message dated 5/12/2006 4:58:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, alicemckenna@verizon.net writes: and noticed that in the Table of Contents they list an Estate named Saar, or Zdiar, spelled in Czech. The individual who was looking for Bohemians need not investigate the Saarland! It is tempting to think that might have been Saaz which is in the north central Egerland, and was an important place for growing hops for beermaking. Urs Geiser certainly can read Fraktur and Saar must be correct. Thank you for pointing this out! Karen ______________________________