Becky: What you have been typing as PreuBen is Preußen the ß is a German double ss or "sharp S", so.... they were from Prussia! Since Silesia was also a part of Austria Hungary but was lost to Prussia in the Austrian Prussian war, and since this area is bordering on what is now the Czech Republic, it could well be that they are from that part. (Of course the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia did not exist as yet in March of 1892, so there would be no reference to it on that manifest, because that country did not yet exist.) So, when they left they were either from Prussia, Austria, Galicia or Poland. But it could very well be that they came from an area which later became part of the newly formed Czechoslovakia in 1919, and that was long after they had left there. The surname Benes, written as such or with an s at the end, would indicate that they were of Czech ethnicity, while when their name is spelled with sch at the end, like Benesch, they were most likely a German family. Since this name is as common in the Czech Republic (as Smith is here in America) you will have a hard time to find the correct location. Your clue is the recording "Preussen". So it is in the general area I listed before. Actually, you can only go by whatever lead documents or letters you can find, or by remembering a village name, or perhaps you could go back to the passenger list (not upon their arrival) but from where they sailed, because sometimes they listed the places of origin in the Bremen shipslists. The Bremen shiplists should have an alphabetical index. like the Ellis Island register. Look for Benes and Benesch and see if someone has Preussen (Prussia) and the same first names listged on it, and then, perhaps, you may be able to narrow it down. I certainly hope so. Good luck! Aida ------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Becky.Champion@equifax.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... > > > > > Hello, all! I am renewing a search for my genealogy block in the CR. My > G-G-Grandmother, Johanna Pinker, came over in March of 1892 (she was 29), > with her 6 year old son, Gordian (the passenger manifest has him listed as > Kordian). The manifest lists their origination as Klattau. She would never > speak of where she came from, nor who sired Gordian. Johanna's brother, > Anton (Tony) came over in June of 1883, with an place of origin listed as > PreuBen. The name below him on the manifest shows Catherine Benes, whom he > married. Catherine's brother, Josef, married Johanna after she came over > in > 1892. Josef adopted Gordian, who then became Gordian Benes. > > I'm trying to trace Johanna and/or Anton back to the CR, but have had no > success. Family stories have been passed down that Johanna was "deathly > afraid" of anyone in uniform. That may indicate to me that she was raped, > or something else traumatic happened to her. As she would not speak of her > homeland, I have no idea what trials she faced. > > Any help or direction would be much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Becky > > > > This message contains information from Equifax Inc. which may be > confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please > refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify by e-mail > postmaster@equifax.com. > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Just want to than you Aida - while this doesn't refer to me in anyway - I am sure learning a LOT of history!! Didn't realize I was so "Americanized"!!! and knew NOTHING...:-) Pam ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... Becky: What you have been typing as PreuBen is Preußen the ß is a German double ss or "sharp S", so.... they were from Prussia! Since Silesia was also a part of Austria Hungary but was lost to Prussia in the Austrian Prussian war, and since this area is bordering on what is now the Czech Republic, it could well be that they are from that part. (Of course the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia did not exist as yet in March of 1892, so there would be no reference to it on that manifest, because that country did not yet exist.) So, when they left they were either from Prussia, Austria, Galicia or Poland. But it could very well be that they came from an area which later became part of the newly formed Czechoslovakia in 1919, and that was long after they had left there. The surname Benes, written as such or with an s at the end, would indicate that they were of Czech ethnicity, while when their name is spelled with sch at the end, like Benesch, they were most likely a German family. Since this name is as common in the Czech Republic (as Smith is here in America) you will have a hard time to find the correct location. Your clue is the recording "Preussen". So it is in the general area I listed before. Actually, you can only go by whatever lead documents or letters you can find, or by remembering a village name, or perhaps you could go back to the passenger list (not upon their arrival) but from where they sailed, because sometimes they listed the places of origin in the Bremen shipslists. The Bremen shiplists should have an alphabetical index. like the Ellis Island register. Look for Benes and Benesch and see if someone has Preussen (Prussia) and the same first names listged on it, and then, perhaps, you may be able to narrow it down. I certainly hope so. Good luck! Aida ------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Becky.Champion@equifax.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... > > > > > Hello, all! I am renewing a search for my genealogy block in the CR. My > G-G-Grandmother, Johanna Pinker, came over in March of 1892 (she was 29), > with her 6 year old son, Gordian (the passenger manifest has him listed as > Kordian). The manifest lists their origination as Klattau. She would never > speak of where she came from, nor who sired Gordian. Johanna's brother, > Anton (Tony) came over in June of 1883, with an place of origin listed as > PreuBen. The name below him on the manifest shows Catherine Benes, whom he > married. Catherine's brother, Josef, married Johanna after she came over > in > 1892. Josef adopted Gordian, who then became Gordian Benes. > > I'm trying to trace Johanna and/or Anton back to the CR, but have had no > success. Family stories have been passed down that Johanna was "deathly > afraid" of anyone in uniform. That may indicate to me that she was raped, > or something else traumatic happened to her. As she would not speak of her > homeland, I have no idea what trials she faced. > > Any help or direction would be much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Becky > > > > This message contains information from Equifax Inc. which may be > confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please > refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify by e-mail > postmaster@equifax.com. > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/

Yes - I agree with Prussia for Anton's notation. Since he came in 1883 and Johanna came so much later, I didn't know if perhaps her notation of Klattau was more recent. Also, I have one great-uncle still living, and he thinks he remembers them changing the Benes surname from Benesch or Benesh - so the German might not be too far-fetched. Do you know if the surname Pinker was very common in that region? They would be the ones I would like to track down the most. The only reason I'm interested in Benes/Benesch is that perhaps they came from the same area. But Benes/Benesch is not blood related to me. You mention Bremen shiplists. How would I find those? (that sounds like a fairly exciting lead...) I'd also like to add my thanks to you and Karen - between the two of you, I learn so much, and am totally fascinated! Becky "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.n et> To GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com 05/10/2006 06:28 cc PM Subject Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing Please respond to search for family... GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L @rootsweb.com Becky: What you have been typing as PreuBen is Preußen the ß is a German double ss or "sharp S", so.... they were from Prussia! Since Silesia was also a part of Austria Hungary but was lost to Prussia in the Austrian Prussian war, and since this area is bordering on what is now the Czech Republic, it could well be that they are from that part. (Of course the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia did not exist as yet in March of 1892, so there would be no reference to it on that manifest, because that country did not yet exist.) So, when they left they were either from Prussia, Austria, Galicia or Poland. But it could very well be that they came from an area which later became part of the newly formed Czechoslovakia in 1919, and that was long after they had left there. The surname Benes, written as such or with an s at the end, would indicate that they were of Czech ethnicity, while when their name is spelled with sch at the end, like Benesch, they were most likely a German family. Since this name is as common in the Czech Republic (as Smith is here in America) you will have a hard time to find the correct location. Your clue is the recording "Preussen". So it is in the general area I listed before. Actually, you can only go by whatever lead documents or letters you can find, or by remembering a village name, or perhaps you could go back to the passenger list (not upon their arrival) but from where they sailed, because sometimes they listed the places of origin in the Bremen shipslists. The Bremen shiplists should have an alphabetical index. like the Ellis Island register. Look for Benes and Benesch and see if someone has Preussen (Prussia) and the same first names listged on it, and then, perhaps, you may be able to narrow it down. I certainly hope so. Good luck! Aida ------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: <Becky.Champion@equifax.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... > > > > > Hello, all! I am renewing a search for my genealogy block in the CR. My > G-G-Grandmother, Johanna Pinker, came over in March of 1892 (she was 29), > with her 6 year old son, Gordian (the passenger manifest has him listed as > Kordian). The manifest lists their origination as Klattau. She would never > speak of where she came from, nor who sired Gordian. Johanna's brother, > Anton (Tony) came over in June of 1883, with an place of origin listed as > PreuBen. The name below him on the manifest shows Catherine Benes, whom he > married. Catherine's brother, Josef, married Johanna after she came over > in > 1892. Josef adopted Gordian, who then became Gordian Benes. > > I'm trying to trace Johanna and/or Anton back to the CR, but have had no > success. Family stories have been passed down that Johanna was "deathly > afraid" of anyone in uniform. That may indicate to me that she was raped, > or something else traumatic happened to her. As she would not speak of her > homeland, I have no idea what trials she faced. > > Any help or direction would be much appreciated! > > Thanks, > > Becky > > > > This message contains information from Equifax Inc. which may be > confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please > refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have > received this transmission in error, please notify by e-mail > postmaster@equifax.com. > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ This message contains information from Equifax Inc. which may be confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify by e-mail postmaster@equifax.com.