Hi, Becky ... Chiming in because you've written down one of the names in my research searching for Cleveland, Ohio family connections to the BENESCH line. My BENESCH "branch" married into the line of WEIL, here in Cleveland, (WEIL is the more important to me,) so if I can trace the BENESCH back to Europe, maybe I'll find more on our WEIL and WEISKOPH ancestors. So, as any hints or "side-bars" on these family names comes up, I hope you'll include them in, on, or off-list mailings ... to my attention. The 1883 year mention "picked up my ears" too as this is close to the years our family came here (Cleveland)... 1870's to 1881. Like so many others, I "cruise" the postings just looking for familiar names to appear in hopes of more information or leads.. Jo Davis PS: You are SO right about Karen and Aida!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: <Becky.Champion@equifax.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... << ...Yes - I agree with Prussia for Anton's notation. Since he came in 1883 and Johanna came so much later, I didn't know if perhaps her notation of Klattau was more recent. Also, I have one great-uncle still living, and he thinks he remembers them changing the Benes surname from Benesch or Benesh - so the German might not be too far-fetched. Do you know if the surname Pinker was very common in that region? They would be the ones I would like to track down the most. The only reason I'm interested in Benes/Benesch is that perhaps they came from the same area. But Benes/Benesch is not blood related to me. ...>> > I'd also like to add my thanks to you and Karen - between the two of you, > I > learn so much, and am totally fascinated! > > Becky > > > > > "Aida Kraus" > <akibb1@verizon.n > et> To > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com > 05/10/2006 06:28 cc > PM > Subject > Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing > Please respond to search for family... > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L > @rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > Becky: > What you have been typing as PreuBen is Preußen the ß is a German double > ss > > or "sharp S", so.... they were from Prussia! > Since Silesia was also a part of Austria Hungary but was lost to Prussia > in > the Austrian Prussian war, and since this area is bordering on what is now > the Czech Republic, it could well be that they are from that part. (Of > course the Czech Republic or Czechoslovakia did not exist as yet in March > of > 1892, so there would be no reference to it on that manifest, because that > country did not yet exist.) So, when they left they were either from > Prussia, Austria, Galicia or Poland. But it could very well be that they > came from an area which later became part of the newly formed > Czechoslovakia in 1919, and that was long after they had left there. > The surname Benes, written as such or with an s at the end, would > indicate that they were of Czech ethnicity, while when their name is > spelled > with sch at the end, like Benesch, they were most likely a German family. > Since this name is as common in the Czech Republic (as Smith is here in > America) you will have a hard time to find the correct location. Your clue > is the recording "Preussen". So it is in the general area I listed > before. > Actually, you can only go by whatever lead documents or letters you can > find, or by remembering a village name, or perhaps you could go back to > the > > passenger list (not upon their arrival) but from where they sailed, > because > > sometimes they listed the places of origin in the Bremen shipslists. The > Bremen shiplists should have an alphabetical index. like the Ellis Island > register. Look for Benes and Benesch and see if someone has Preussen > (Prussia) and the same first names listged on it, and then, perhaps, you > may > be able to narrow it down. I certainly hope so. Good luck! > Aida > ------------------------------ > ----- Original Message SNIPPET ----- > From: <Becky.Champion@equifax.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:31 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Renewing search for family... > >> Hello, all! I am renewing a search for my genealogy block in the CR. My >> G-G-Grandmother, Johanna Pinker, came over in March of 1892 (she was 29), >> with her 6 year old son, Gordian (the passenger manifest has him listed > as >> Kordian). The manifest lists their origination as Klattau. She would > never >> speak of where she came from, nor who sired Gordian. Johanna's brother, >> Anton (Tony) came over in June of 1883, with an place of origin listed as >> PreuBen. The name below him on the manifest shows Catherine Benes, whom > he >> married. Catherine's brother, Josef, married Johanna after she came over >> in >> 1892. Josef adopted Gordian, who then became Gordian Benes. >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To search the archives, go to: >> >