Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they just appear in the 1700s can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am beginning to think that they dropped out of space. Thanks for any help Jean in Fl

Hello, all! I am renewing a search for my genealogy block in the CR. My G-G-Grandmother, Johanna Pinker, came over in March of 1892 (she was 29), with her 6 year old son, Gordian (the passenger manifest has him listed as Kordian). The manifest lists their origination as Klattau. She would never speak of where she came from, nor who sired Gordian. Johanna's brother, Anton (Tony) came over in June of 1883, with an place of origin listed as PreuBen. The name below him on the manifest shows Catherine Benes, whom he married. Catherine's brother, Josef, married Johanna after she came over in 1892. Josef adopted Gordian, who then became Gordian Benes. I'm trying to trace Johanna and/or Anton back to the CR, but have had no success. Family stories have been passed down that Johanna was "deathly afraid" of anyone in uniform. That may indicate to me that she was raped, or something else traumatic happened to her. As she would not speak of her homeland, I have no idea what trials she faced. Any help or direction would be much appreciated! Thanks, Becky This message contains information from Equifax Inc. which may be confidential and privileged. If you are not an intended recipient, please refrain from any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this information and note that such actions are prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please notify by e-mail postmaster@equifax.com.

As Aida points out, some of them may have been there quite a long time in the same house -- but the church records do not begin until usually the 1700s, perhaps a very few in late 1600s. However, in some areas, there are land records that exist. They would have been kept by the local landowners (the lords or monasteries) -- they needed to keep track of who was paying the rent, robot, other taxes, etc. They do show the passing of a house from father to son, and also some of the other payments to the siblings from the child who got the house and farm, sometimes provisions to the widow, and even some remarriages; some of them act as court records. So it is possible to track back some of the lines farther. This will not help you if one of the families is "landless," and noninheriting children are not always mentioned. Still it may show that Johann, who got the house, paid his brother Franz in another village so much. These records act as kind of a history of the house, so when they move, perhaps to a better house or new house, the line goes there, so you really have to work backwards. You once again have to know some of the history of your area. Who was the landowner for that village? Did it change hands? I know that in my area in South Bohemia, those records are kept in the castle at Krummau. It is possible to have your Czech researcher go to the place where they are kept; it's not cheap research. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: JEAN<mailto:JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 12:19 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they just appear in the 1700s can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am beginning to think that they dropped out of space. Thanks for any help Jean in Fl ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To browse the archives, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/>