Does anyone know how to locate the list of servants for the Petersburg Great Estate for 1654. I tried the Kingdom of Bohemia website but did not know how to use it. When I do a google search for this estate and Sossen I only get hits for Petersburg Russia. I found a possible lead on Schramm. Mary

Try these: http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/woratschen.html - see Sossen on this one www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/kb/petersburg.html - sie Petrohrad - Petersburg Boehmen and here is one of the Castle, but for the world of me, I cannot open it, maybe you are luckier. Aida Schloß Petersburg bei Saar/Böhmen - Architektur-Führer ... Schloß Petersburg bei Saar/Böhmen. Architekt, Architekturbüro, Architekten ... Böhmen. Schloß Petersburg bei Saar/Böhmen. Übersetzung. Petrohrad/Sazava ... deu.archinform.net/ort/7897.htm - ----- Original Message ----- From: <mpettyjohn@comcast.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Help with locating the Petersburg Great Estate > Does anyone know how to locate the list of servants for the Petersburg > Great Estate for 1654. I tried the Kingdom of Bohemia website but did not > know how to use it. When I do a google search for this estate and Sossen > I only get hits for Petersburg Russia. I found a possible lead on > Schramm. > > Mary > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

Mary - Perhaps my off-line suggestions, while well-intended, were ill-advised. Both Karen Hobbs and Aida Krauss have provided you with excellent suggestions to your request, but they lacked the information we had already exchanged off-line. We have gained the following from their responses: 1) it appears that the plural of Czernin is Czernys, not Czernins as I had previously thought. 2) Although I have visited the parish records sites Aida sent many times, I never noticed that Petrohrad Chateau was at one time known as "Schloß Petersburg bei Saar/Böhmen." This suggests that the Saar reference you were seeking might describe a wider area than just that of the village of Saar. Saar (CZ: Zdar) is about ten km south of the chateau. 3) I am feeling confused about our direction. There are a number of other things mentioned in the responses to your inquiry, but I am feeling that we are doing the very thing I suggested we not do and that is to speculate that your Schramms somehow moved from Moravia to the Petersburg area. I have not seen any evidence of that so far. Do you have information which suggests this conclusion? If so, what is it? I am speaking from the perspective of one who has chased many Ullman possibilites of my own imagining and found few of them (even those with the most promising sound to them) to have any substance. That doesn't mean I have given up on them, but my standard for deciding to pursue unfounded possibilities has risen over the years. As I mentioned off-line, I do have paper copies of the Tax List of 1654 for Petersburg and some of the other estates in the area which I will read thru for your non-Schramm ancestors who lived in Bohemia if you send me the name(s). I can do the Schramms also if you wish. But please fill me in on where this is headed (or where you think it might be headed). I hope I am not being too harsh. Aside to Aida - I was able to open the site you were unable to access. The listing which includes Petrohrad shows as "Petrohrad/Sazava [0]". I think the reason you could not open it is because of the (0) which means there are no reconstructions going on in that area at this time. That is false, however, as I was there last October and they were just finishing a first-rate job of restoring Chateau Petersburg. We were able to walk around the grounds which we could not do two years earlier when it was still involved in its long-time use as a hospital for the mentally ill. In October the patients had been moved out and I don't know if it will return to being a hospital or not. Perhaps the website just hasn't been caught up yet. But thank you for discovering this site. I'm not sure I would ever have stumbled across it. Bob Ullman ullman@easystreet.com ----- Original Message ----- From: mpettyjohn@comcast.net To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 2:28 PM Subject: Help with locating the Petersburg Great Estate Does anyone know how to locate the list of servants for the Petersburg Great Estate for 1654. I tried the Kingdom of Bohemia website but did not know how to use it. When I do a google search for this estate and Sossen I only get hits for Petersburg Russia. I found a possible lead on Schramm. Mary ______________________________