I'm also searching for family in this era - and I have a town in Bohemia that I've been searching for but find little on it - and was wondering if the name had changed - I'm searching for surname of SCHALLOM/SCHALOM/SCHOLLUM and the town I have is Celakovy - which according to google is located in CZ and it has a big map but that is the only thing I can find on this town. I also have the following info from a fellow relative in NZ who was gracious enough to give me this info - and I'd like to find out more if possible - any info or direction would be so appreciated: ***** JOHN SCHALLOM Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842. Place of wedding: Stankov - town. Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of CHRISTOPH SCHALOM half-farmer from Merklin # 35 and of Maria. 26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion. Bride: MARIA WEISS, legitimate daughter of GEORG WEISS burger in Stankov-town # 25 and of BARBARA daughter of THOMAS ENTELWEBER estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of Theresia nee Huter from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic ************** Can somone tell me what a HALF farmer is and what a BURGER is? I have not been able to get any really good info on my surnames in these areas so if anyone has an idea of where I can search, I would appreciate it. ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:57 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from To Jean in Florida: They may have lived there all their lives, like all natives do..... but not all villages had churches and they only appear when the churches were built and the recording started. If they lived close to a monastery the records go as far back as when the cloister was built. Remember that everyone was a heathen before Christianity ...or they believed in their Germanic mythological gods... until they were converted. The Catholic faith was dominant between 600 and 1380 in middle Europe and it came to the area of Fulda and Wuerzburg from Ireland with St. Kilian. In 1380 the Wycliffe Thesis, a Protestant theorem, was taught by Jan Hus at the German University at Prague. Later Martin Luther took up the Protestant teaching. This lead to the 30 years war which ended 1648 but during which most of the churches and cloisters were burned. In Bohemia a census was taken in 1651 called Berni Rula because in that religious war more than 50% of the population succumbed and they needed to know what population was left over. This census is called Berni Rula and I gave "direction" to it a few days back, look in the archives. I myself have Zicklers in my family from the area of Marienbad-Tepl. Stift (Abby) Tepl was one of the earliest Catholic settlements in the Egerland by the Prämonstratenser order. It is wise to familiarize yourself with the history of the area you are researching. You can also read about it on the internet if you key in "Stift Tepl, Bohemia" or this website: http://www.premontre.org/subpages/propriadocumenta/periodica/sec-analecta.htm All your names appear to me to be either Egerlander or Bavarian-Bohemian German names and they were lived this area since time began. People did not move very far from their hometowns and most of the families lived in the same houses for 350 years. Each generation improved the premises and the houses were built of stone to last centuries. Most of the farms were quite substantial. Aida ---------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEAN" <JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:19 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from > Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, > NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. > I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they > just appear in the 1700s > can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am > beginning to think that they dropped out of space. > Thanks for any help > Jean in Fl > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/
A half-farmer means that he had a profession besides his farm. Usually they were butchers, bakers, innkeepers, etc. and also had a small farm holding. A Burgher is a freeman living in a town and that he lived in a house with a low number means that he was a prominent person.. Probably one of the first ones to settle in this town and was probably on the city council or an elder. If the records describe him as "Burgher" or "Richter" then he was a city or village official - check the original documents carefully! Burgher means that he had the right to live in a town as a freeman and not as a serf for the nobility or abbey. Merklin is Merkelsgrün just a bit to the North of Karlsbad (Karlovy Vary on a Czech map) on the foot of the picturesque Ore Mountains. There are 9 Stankov towns in Bohemia, you will have to let me know which one it is, look in the documents perhaps it gives the "Kreis" (district) and then you can find it on this map I presume that it is the one closest to Deutschreichenau "Rychnuvek" or the Castle Hradec. Check this link: http://www.mapy.cz/?st=search&fr=Stankov&pw=541&ph=428&ocx=133890048&ocy=134938624&ozm=5&omp=base and since the person of this town married a rather wealthy farmer's daughter from Deutschreichenau belonging to the Manor of Hradec, the Stankov above might be in that surrounding area and you will have to do a little hunting. To give you a clue, Deutschreichenau can be found as "Rychnuvek" on this above www.mapy.cz. just North of the Austrian-Bohemian border. And this Hradec had the German name Wittinghausen at all times with the old castle of Wittigstein (1220-1277) established by the German Wittigonen. Here is a link in English that you can read of describing this historic place: http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/region/histor/t_vithra.htm Pucherdorf must also be in that area and you have to hunt for it, I cannot find the Czech equivalent at this time, perhaps someone out there could help in this! Or you can use the rules for finding places with their URL links I posted just a few days back. See GBHS archives and you will be able to help yourself. Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from > I'm also searching for family in this era - and I have a town in Bohemia > that I've been searching for but find little on it - and was wondering if > the name had changed - > > I'm searching for surname of SCHALLOM/SCHALOM/SCHOLLUM and the town I have > is Celakovy - which according to google is located in CZ and it has a big > map but that is the only thing I can find on this town. I also have the > following info from a fellow relative in NZ who was gracious enough to > give > me this info - and I'd like to find out more if possible - any info or > direction would be so appreciated: > > ***** > JOHN SCHALLOM > > Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842. > Place of wedding: Stankov - town. > Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of CHRISTOPH SCHALOM half-farmer > from Merklin # 35 and of Maria. > 26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion. > Bride: MARIA WEISS, legitimate daughter of GEORG WEISS burger in > Stankov-town # 25 and of BARBARA daughter of THOMAS ENTELWEBER > estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of > Theresia nee Huter from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic > > ************** > Can somone tell me what a HALF farmer is and what a BURGER is? I have not > been able to get any really good info on my surnames in these areas so if > anyone has an idea of where I can search, I would appreciate it. > > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, > CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, > SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, > DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, > THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > > To Jean in Florida: > They may have lived there all their lives, like all natives do..... but > not > all villages had churches and they only appear when the churches were > built > and the recording started. If they lived close to a monastery the records > go as far back as when the cloister was built. Remember that everyone was > a > heathen before Christianity ...or they believed in their Germanic > mythological gods... until they were converted. The Catholic faith was > dominant between 600 and 1380 in middle Europe and it came to the area of > Fulda and Wuerzburg from Ireland with St. Kilian. In 1380 the Wycliffe > Thesis, a Protestant theorem, was taught by Jan Hus at the German > University > at Prague. Later Martin Luther took up the Protestant teaching. This > lead > to the 30 years war which ended 1648 but during which most of the churches > and cloisters were burned. In Bohemia a census was taken in 1651 called > Berni Rula because in that religious war more than 50% of the population > succumbed and they needed to know what population was left over. This > census is called Berni Rula and I gave "direction" to it a few days back, > look in the archives. > I myself have Zicklers in my family from the area of Marienbad-Tepl. > Stift (Abby) Tepl was one of the earliest Catholic settlements in the > Egerland by the Prämonstratenser order. It is wise to familiarize yourself > with the history of the area you are researching. You can also read about > it > on the internet if you key in "Stift Tepl, Bohemia" or this website: > http://www.premontre.org/subpages/propriadocumenta/periodica/sec-analecta.htm > > All your names appear to me to be either Egerlander or Bavarian-Bohemian > German names and they were lived this area since time began. People did > not > move very far from their hometowns and most of the families lived in the > same houses for 350 years. Each generation improved the premises and the > houses were built of stone to last centuries. Most of the farms were > quite > substantial. > Aida > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN" <JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did > they come from > > >> Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, >> NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. >> I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they >> just appear in the 1700s >> can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am >> beginning to think that they dropped out of space. >> Thanks for any help >> Jean in Fl >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To browse the archives, go to: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >
AIDA!! thank you so so much!! this is very very helpful - it's like piecing together a foreign jigsaw puzzle and not knowing how to speak the language! :-) . .... which of course is exactly what it is! I'm off to do some searching! ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from A half-farmer means that he had a profession besides his farm. Usually they were butchers, bakers, innkeepers, etc. and also had a small farm holding. A Burgher is a freeman living in a town and that he lived in a house with a low number means that he was a prominent person.. Probably one of the first ones to settle in this town and was probably on the city council or an elder. If the records describe him as "Burgher" or "Richter" then he was a city or village official - check the original documents carefully! Burgher means that he had the right to live in a town as a freeman and not as a serf for the nobility or abbey. Merklin is Merkelsgrün just a bit to the North of Karlsbad (Karlovy Vary on a Czech map) on the foot of the picturesque Ore Mountains. There are 9 Stankov towns in Bohemia, you will have to let me know which one it is, look in the documents perhaps it gives the "Kreis" (district) and then you can find it on this map I presume that it is the one closest to Deutschreichenau "Rychnuvek" or the Castle Hradec. Check this link: http://www.mapy.cz/?st=search&fr=Stankov&pw=541&ph=428&ocx=133890048&ocy=134938624&ozm=5&omp=base and since the person of this town married a rather wealthy farmer's daughter from Deutschreichenau belonging to the Manor of Hradec, the Stankov above might be in that surrounding area and you will have to do a little hunting. To give you a clue, Deutschreichenau can be found as "Rychnuvek" on this above www.mapy.cz. just North of the Austrian-Bohemian border. And this Hradec had the German name Wittinghausen at all times with the old castle of Wittigstein (1220-1277) established by the German Wittigonen. Here is a link in English that you can read of describing this historic place: http://www.ckrumlov.cz/uk/region/histor/t_vithra.htm Pucherdorf must also be in that area and you have to hunt for it, I cannot find the Czech equivalent at this time, perhaps someone out there could help in this! Or you can use the rules for finding places with their URL links I posted just a few days back. See GBHS archives and you will be able to help yourself. Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 7:11 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did they come from > I'm also searching for family in this era - and I have a town in Bohemia > that I've been searching for but find little on it - and was wondering if > the name had changed - > > I'm searching for surname of SCHALLOM/SCHALOM/SCHOLLUM and the town I have > is Celakovy - which according to google is located in CZ and it has a big > map but that is the only thing I can find on this town. I also have the > following info from a fellow relative in NZ who was gracious enough to > give > me this info - and I'd like to find out more if possible - any info or > direction would be so appreciated: > > ***** > JOHN SCHALLOM > > Date of wedding: 26th Apr 1842. > Place of wedding: Stankov - town. > Bridegroom: SCHALOM Johann, son of CHRISTOPH SCHALOM half-farmer > from Merklin # 35 and of Maria. > 26 years old, [ie born around 1816] single, catholic religion. > Bride: MARIA WEISS, legitimate daughter of GEORG WEISS burger in > Stankov-town # 25 and of BARBARA daughter of THOMAS ENTELWEBER > estate-owner in Deutschreichenau # 110, manor Hradec and of > Theresia nee Huter from Pucherdorf. ?? years old, single, catholic > > ************** > Can somone tell me what a HALF farmer is and what a BURGER is? I have not > been able to get any really good info on my surnames in these areas so if > anyone has an idea of where I can search, I would appreciate it. > > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), DILLON, > CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, > SCHALLOM, STEPPIG, MEES/MAES, REIS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, KRAFT, BANGERT, > DIESEL, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, RAPP, MENTEL, SHELLHORN, STALEY, WEBER, > THOELE, MITCHELL, PROBST, GOLD > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 11:57 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where > did > they come from > > > To Jean in Florida: > They may have lived there all their lives, like all natives do..... but > not > all villages had churches and they only appear when the churches were > built > and the recording started. If they lived close to a monastery the records > go as far back as when the cloister was built. Remember that everyone was > a > heathen before Christianity ...or they believed in their Germanic > mythological gods... until they were converted. The Catholic faith was > dominant between 600 and 1380 in middle Europe and it came to the area of > Fulda and Wuerzburg from Ireland with St. Kilian. In 1380 the Wycliffe > Thesis, a Protestant theorem, was taught by Jan Hus at the German > University > at Prague. Later Martin Luther took up the Protestant teaching. This > lead > to the 30 years war which ended 1648 but during which most of the churches > and cloisters were burned. In Bohemia a census was taken in 1651 called > Berni Rula because in that religious war more than 50% of the population > succumbed and they needed to know what population was left over. This > census is called Berni Rula and I gave "direction" to it a few days back, > look in the archives. > I myself have Zicklers in my family from the area of Marienbad-Tepl. > Stift (Abby) Tepl was one of the earliest Catholic settlements in the > Egerland by the Prämonstratenser order. It is wise to familiarize yourself > with the history of the area you are researching. You can also read about > it > on the internet if you key in "Stift Tepl, Bohemia" or this website: > http://www.premontre.org/subpages/propriadocumenta/periodica/sec-analecta.htm > > All your names appear to me to be either Egerlander or Bavarian-Bohemian > German names and they were lived this area since time began. People did > not > move very far from their hometowns and most of the families lived in the > same houses for 350 years. Each generation improved the premises and the > houses were built of stone to last centuries. Most of the farms were > quite > substantial. > Aida > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JEAN" <JEAN74@TAMPABAY.RR.COM> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:19 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Searching for family before 1700 or where did > they come from > > >> Hi List, I am searching for these families HORL, HOERL, HERL, ZICKLER, >> NOBERT, LOW,LOEW, HOLLER, HOELLER, RADL. >> I have some of them in Bohemia by 1740 but re did they come from, they >> just appear in the 1700s >> can anyone out there tell me did they come from Austria, Germany I am >> beginning to think that they dropped out of space. >> Thanks for any help >> Jean in Fl >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To browse the archives, go to: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/