yeah, that handwriting is tough. Unfortunately, there are not Bremen departure lists, though I have heard that that may not be true, some reconstruction may be going on. Pretty much all the Bohemians departed through Bremen or Hamburg, so doesn't really do anything. But, you know when they arrived. The baby Josef's death may be recorded in the local Catholic church records in White Rock or whatever. I found the same for several of my families, no one ever mentioned any baby who died, but did find the baby in the church records after knowing to look for the baby from the passenger list. I found it on Ancestry.com; when I didn't find it through looking through Wohlman variant spellings, I switched to trying Heinrich. With the crummy handwriting, you can see where there can be indexing difficulties. Yep, that does say Mosel. It's with the Lloyd shipping line. Might be able to find a picture... Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: PJ V<mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family -- arrival!!! OMG ! How did you find this ???? At first I was looking at that handwritten list and could harldy understand the writing and then BAM I saw the 4 Wallmanns (Wohlmans) that I know. Woo Hoo!!! I had been searching for something like this for years. How did you find it? This is interesting. I never heard mention of a baby that died. I wish I could read this handwriting better. You say the ship name was Mosel? I thought it looked more like North ...something in that handwriting. The port city is Bremen.....does that help at all with finding what city they originated from? What should I do next? Thanks again, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com<mailto:lindatherkela@msn.com>> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family -- arrival!!! >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:22:47 -0500 > >Hah! Found 'em! I considered that there is not really the name Henry in >German, so he is probably Heinrich. Here they are, I can send image to >e-mail. >Arriving July 6, 1878 New York on the Mosel, departure Bremen, > Heinrich Wallmann 47 farmer Bohemia > Barbara " 42 wife " > Antonia 12 child > Emma 2 child > Josef 6 mon. child > >Josef undoubtedly died, but that only explains the missing child who died. >The death rate for babies from ship was very high. Several of my families >have babies who died almost right away, probably caught something icky on >board. I will try to look through and see if there are any people with >same surname. Trouble is, could be a married daughter on board, and I >wouldn't know. So obits would definitely be in order. > >Also consider, the pronunciation of German "W" is V, so some American >records could show up as Vollman or something like that. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN<http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN>