That's interesting -- searching by date of birth and year of arrival. I never thought of that! I have searched by first names when the last name might "get mangled" - when I do that I usually break it down to a year at a time. I'm going to try your suggestion for my elusive ancestors. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olive Tree Genealogy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Bohemia] Ship to Canada 1859 > Hello Tony > > You have done a great job of writing up your research and > asking for help. > > I think I have found your Adalbert on the ships list > "Republic" arriving NY 7 Nov. 1859 from Bremen. His origin > is given as Bohemia, Czechoslovakia and he is 51 years old. > > I'm familiar with the NY lists and they are very difficult > to read sometimes. Some passengers have no first name in > the index. Some have only an initial. > > I found him by searching without any names at all and only > using his date of birth (which was the only thing missing > from your excellent query below) and his year of arrival. > > He is misindexed on Ancestry as "Balbert Kar" Had you > searched with wildcards on surname for "kar*" and no first > name, he should have shown up. But sometimes the Ancestry > search glitches and a result will not appear one time, but > will appear the next! > > In any case, with "Balbert" are the following individuals > > Adalbert b ca 1852 > Catharine b ca 1818 > Johann b ca 1842 > Joseph b ca 1849 > Rosalia b ca 1840 > > Enjoy :-) > Lorine of OliveTreeGenealogy.com > > > > On 12 Dec 2008 at 22:30, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hello listers! Sorry for the length of this post, but after >> exhausting every source I can think of, this is my last >> chance. >> >> I am searching the ship on which my ancestors arrived in the >> New World. I believe my GGG grandfather ADALBERT KARL, >> spouse KATHARINA MULTRUS and their four children ROSA, JOHN, >> JOSEPH, and ALBERT from HRADZEN, BOHEMIA, AUSTRIA near >> PILSEN departed BREMEN in 1859. They do not show up in any >> incoming passenger lists in America. To no avail I have >> searched the Steve Morse site using the following wildcards: >> ada* ade* cat* kat* ros* joh* jos* alb* and surname kar* >> car* har* and ear*. This leads me to believe they did not >> enter through the U.S. >> >> The reason I believe they departed Bremen is because in >> the1860 U.S. Census from Allegany, NY they indicate they >> were from Bremen, Germany. However in every future census, >> they correctly state they are from Austria. In Adalbert's >> obituary from 1903 it states that he and his family of four >> mistakenly went to DAYTON, OHIO instead of DAYTONS SUMMIT, >> NEW YORK. >> >> Here is a summary of the records I have searched to date: >> >> a) Every U.S. arrival site - including the Steve Morse site >> - for every combination I can think of. b) All of the >> websites of pre-1865 passsenger lists for Canadian Arrivals >> on the Olive Tree Genealogy site. c) The "Germans To >> America" Series. d) "German Immigrants: Lists of Passengers >> Bound from Bremen to New York, 1855-1862" e) The Leo Baca >> Book "Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volumes 1-9 " f) I >> have requested citizenship records of Adalbert Karl in the >> hope that they would reveal the date and place of entry into >> the U.S. but Immigration wrote me that there is no record. >> He was naturalized in 1866 according to the local county >> records, but these shed no light on his date or mode of >> entry to the U.S.. g) I have written to the Ship List and >> other genealogy listservs in the hope of finding a morsel of >> information that I could follow up on. I posted on the >> Ancestry.com message boards and received a response from a >> gentleman apparently writing from the Czech Republic who >> informed me, I quote: >> >> "Accordings to the proceeding protocoll of Regional >> Office of Plzen asked on 1859 Adalbert Karl from Hradzen >> (Hradec u Stoda) for issuing of emigrant >> passport to USA.There is possible to see the proces of >> issuing of passport sep by step there. Adalbert can be >> recorded as Bohemian in the books of Leo Baca >> (Bohemian passanger lists). Look for them in some big >> library. The registers of Hradzen are in the archive in >> Plzen. You can search yourself ther or you can hire >> some of Czech researcher." >> >> While promising, my replies to this post requesting further >> information have never been answered. I am willing to accept >> that the absence of data means that my ancestors must have >> entered through Canada on some impossible-to-trace ship. But >> I must at least ask the question if there are any stones I >> have left unturned. >> >> My questions are this: what would be the typical route for a >> family from Austria, departing Bremen for America in 1859? >> Assuming they departed Bremen, would they have stopped in >> the British Isles? And would there be a record of this >> arrival or departure? And then, would they typically have >> arrived at Quebec if they were bound for Dayton? Once at >> Quebec, would their voyage to the wrong Dayton be via the >> U.S. or Canada? >> >> Thank you very much for any insight you can provide, >> Tony Buccella > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze > > * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ > * Naturalization Records > http://naturalizationrecords.com/ > * Images of Ships Lists > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ > > [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message