Most of my Austrian family from Schladming, Steiermark, left from Bremen. But one traveled on a ship that sailed from Hamburg to LeHarve and then to NY. Another sailed from Antwerp to NY.   Some of us may never find the ship we are looking for because the manifest was never microfilmed. Either they were lost, or perhaps in such bad shape that they could not be read. If you go through the microfilm page by page there will be some pages with spilled ink, torn pages, etc.   Before computers a personal trip to the public library to look at the microfilm was all we could do. For those still having trouble that may still be an option. An index is a wonderful help. But sometimes the person we are looking for is missed, or the handwriting causes wild guesses.     LaVerne,  On Fri, 12/12/08, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ship to Canada 1859 To: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected] Date: Friday, December 12, 2008, 9:30 PM Hello listers! Sorry for the length of this post, but after exhausting every source I can think of, this is my last chance. I am searching the ship on which my ancestors arrived in the New World. I believe my GGG grandfather ADALBERT KARL, spouse KATHARINA MULTRUS and their four children ROSA, JOHN, JOSEPH, and ALBERT from HRADZEN, BOHEMIA, AUSTRIA near PILSEN departed BREMEN in 1859. They do not show up in any incoming passenger lists in America. To no avail I have searched the Steve Morse site using the following wildcards: ada* ade* cat* kat* ros* joh* jos* alb* and surname kar* car* har* and ear*. This leads me to believe they did not enter through the U.S. The reason I believe they departed Bremen is because in the1860 U.S. Census from Allegany, NY they indicate they were from Bremen, Germany. However in every future census, they correctly state they are from Austria. In Adalbert's obituary from 1903 it states that he and his family of four mistakenly went to DAYTON, OHIO instead of DAYTONS SUMMIT, NEW YORK. Here is a summary of the records I have searched to date: a) Every U.S. arrival site - including the Steve Morse site - for every combination I can think of. b) All of the websites of pre-1865 passsenger lists for Canadian Arrivals on the Olive Tree Genealogy site. c) The "Germans To America" Series. d) "German Immigrants: Lists of Passengers Bound from Bremen to New York, 1855-1862" e) The Leo Baca Book "Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volumes 1-9 " f) I have requested citizenship records of Adalbert Karl in the hope that they would reveal the date and place of entry into the U.S. but Immigration wrote me that there is no record. He was naturalized in 1866 according to the local county records, but these shed no light on his date or mode of entry to the U.S.. g) I have written to the Ship List and other genealogy listservs in the hope of finding a morsel of information that I could follow up on. I posted on the Ancestry.com message boards and received a response from a gentleman apparently writing from the Czech Republic who informed me, I quote: "Accordings to the proceeding protocoll of Regional Office of Plzen asked on 1859 Adalbert Karl from Hradzen (Hradec u Stoda) for issuing of emigrant passport to USA.There is possible to see the proces of issuing of passport sep by step there. Adalbert can be recorded as Bohemian in the books of Leo Baca (Bohemian passanger lists). Look for them in some big library. The registers of Hradzen are in the archive in Plzen. You can search yourself ther or you can hire some of Czech researcher." While promising, my replies to this post requesting further information have never been answered. I am willing to accept that the absence of data means that my ancestors must have entered through Canada on some impossible-to-trace ship. But I must at least ask the question if there are any stones I have left unturned. My questions are this: what would be the typical route for a family from Austria, departing Bremen for America in 1859? Assuming they departed Bremen, would they have stopped in the British Isles? And would there be a record of this arrival or departure? And then, would they typically have arrived at Quebec if they were bound for Dayton? Once at Quebec, would their voyage to the wrong Dayton be via the U.S. or Canada? Thank you very much for any insight you can provide, Tony Buccella German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message