Is a manifest different from that which Ancesty.com has listed? All I see are names and dates. The ship's name too. My grandmother. Anna Holy http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&db=nypl%2c&=%2c%2c %2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c&gsfn=Anna&gsln=Holy&sx=& gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b _80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=40&fh=20&h =12478740&recoff=1+2 http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&rank=0&db=nypl%2c&=%2c%2c %2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c%2c&gsfn=Anna&gsln=Holy&sx=& gs1co=1%2cAll+Countries&gs1pl=1%2c+&year=&yearend=&sbo=0&sbor=&ufr=0&wp=4%3b _80000002%3b_80000003&srchb=r&prox=1&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-d&pcat=40&fh=20&h =12478740&recoff=1+2 Lisa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Williams Sent: Sunday, December 14, 2008 7:40 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: Re: [AUSTRIA] [Bohemia] Ship to Canada 1859 Lisa -- Manifests differ ... some show place of origin and some don't -- unfortunately most don't or give something broad like Austria or Germany or Bohemia. If you know the date of arrival and/or the ship you might be able to search on Missing Manifests at www.stevemorse.org This would work best if you know both ... it does involve lots of reading but you could find something. Have you not been able to find them using the surname...because that is the fastest. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lisa Perry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Bohemia] [AUSTRIA] Ship to Canada 1859 > That is a wonderful tip. > Is there any way from looking at the manifest to tell where or what > village > they came from? I know when they arrived and what ship but don't know how > to proceed to find any further information. > Thanks, > > Lisa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > On > Behalf Of Olive Tree Genealogy > Sent: Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:32 AM > To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [AUSTRIA] Ship to Canada 1859 > > Hello Tony > > You have done a great job of writing up your research and > asking for help. > > I think I have found your Adalbert on the ships list > "Republic" arriving NY 7 Nov. 1859 from Bremen. His origin > is given as Bohemia, Czechoslovakia and he is 51 years old. > > I'm familiar with the NY lists and they are very difficult > to read sometimes. Some passengers have no first name in > the index. Some have only an initial. > > I found him by searching without any names at all and only > using his date of birth (which was the only thing missing > from your excellent query below) and his year of arrival. > > He is misindexed on Ancestry as "Balbert Kar" Had you > searched with wildcards on surname for "kar*" and no first > name, he should have shown up. But sometimes the Ancestry > search glitches and a result will not appear one time, but > will appear the next! > > In any case, with "Balbert" are the following individuals > > Adalbert b ca 1852 > Catharine b ca 1818 > Johann b ca 1842 > Joseph b ca 1849 > Rosalia b ca 1840 > > Enjoy :-) > Lorine of OliveTreeGenealogy.com > > > > On 12 Dec 2008 at 22:30, [email protected] wrote: > >> Hello listers! Sorry for the length of this post, but after >> exhausting every source I can think of, this is my last >> chance. >> >> I am searching the ship on which my ancestors arrived in the >> New World. I believe my GGG grandfather ADALBERT KARL, >> spouse KATHARINA MULTRUS and their four children ROSA, JOHN, >> JOSEPH, and ALBERT from HRADZEN, BOHEMIA, AUSTRIA near >> PILSEN departed BREMEN in 1859. They do not show up in any >> incoming passenger lists in America. To no avail I have >> searched the Steve Morse site using the following wildcards: >> ada* ade* cat* kat* ros* joh* jos* alb* and surname kar* >> car* har* and ear*. This leads me to believe they did not >> enter through the U.S. >> >> The reason I believe they departed Bremen is because in >> the1860 U.S. Census from Allegany, NY they indicate they >> were from Bremen, Germany. However in every future census, >> they correctly state they are from Austria. In Adalbert's >> obituary from 1903 it states that he and his family of four >> mistakenly went to DAYTON, OHIO instead of DAYTONS SUMMIT, >> NEW YORK. >> >> Here is a summary of the records I have searched to date: >> >> a) Every U.S. arrival site - including the Steve Morse site >> - for every combination I can think of. b) All of the >> websites of pre-1865 passsenger lists for Canadian Arrivals >> on the Olive Tree Genealogy site. c) The "Germans To >> America" Series. d) "German Immigrants: Lists of Passengers >> Bound from Bremen to New York, 1855-1862" e) The Leo Baca >> Book "Czech Immigration Passenger Lists, Volumes 1-9 " f) I >> have requested citizenship records of Adalbert Karl in the >> hope that they would reveal the date and place of entry into >> the U.S. but Immigration wrote me that there is no record. >> He was naturalized in 1866 according to the local county >> records, but these shed no light on his date or mode of >> entry to the U.S.. g) I have written to the Ship List and >> other genealogy listservs in the hope of finding a morsel of >> information that I could follow up on. I posted on the >> Ancestry.com message boards and received a response from a >> gentleman apparently writing from the Czech Republic who >> informed me, I quote: >> >> "Accordings to the proceeding protocoll of Regional >> Office of Plzen asked on 1859 Adalbert Karl from Hradzen >> (Hradec u Stoda) for issuing of emigrant >> passport to USA.There is possible to see the proces of >> issuing of passport sep by step there. Adalbert can be >> recorded as Bohemian in the books of Leo Baca >> (Bohemian passanger lists). Look for them in some big >> library. The registers of Hradzen are in the archive in >> Plzen. You can search yourself ther or you can hire >> some of Czech researcher." >> >> While promising, my replies to this post requesting further >> information have never been answered. I am willing to accept >> that the absence of data means that my ancestors must have >> entered through Canada on some impossible-to-trace ship. But >> I must at least ask the question if there are any stones I >> have left unturned. >> >> My questions are this: what would be the typical route for a >> family from Austria, departing Bremen for America in 1859? >> Assuming they departed Bremen, would they have stopped in >> the British Isles? And would there be a record of this >> arrival or departure? And then, would they typically have >> arrived at Quebec if they were bound for Dayton? Once at >> Quebec, would their voyage to the wrong Dayton be via the >> U.S. or Canada? >> >> Thank you very much for any insight you can provide, >> Tony Buccella > > > -- Lorine McGinnis Schulze > > * Olive Tree Genealogy (Ships Passenger Lists) > http://olivetreegenealogy.com/ > * Naturalization Records > http://naturalizationrecords.com/ > * Images of Ships Lists > http://www.rootsweb.com/~ote/ships/ > > [email protected] or [email protected] > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message