I have done some work translating the history of a town called Herrnbaumgarten. In that history there is mention that the town's noble owner had a very large estate that covered areas in both Bohemia and Austria.? It also stated that there were many changes of the borders and the town finally ended within Austria but just about on the border. There were also border changes between Bavaria and Bohemia that went on for over a century. I think it would be fair to assume that any place that is close to a national border today may have been in a Herrschaft (Noble Dominion or Estate) that straddled todays frontiers. Karen -----Original Message----- From: Larry Klauser <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tue, Aug 18, 2009 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudetenland question John & Kathy: Like you, I am anxiously awaiting the answer to your inquiry.? My grandfather and his ancestors (going back to 1650) were from a town about 15 clicks north of the current Austrian border.? The town was Haberles and is now Ovesne.? Good luck. Larry --- On Mon, 8/17/09, John & Kathy Hartmann <[email protected]> wrote: From: John & Kathy Hartmann <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudetenland question To: [email protected] Date: Monday, August 17, 2009, 7:15 PM I have ancestor that was supposedly born in Upper Austria just south of the Austrian Czech border. Being unsuccessful in locating him there, I am wondering if the border of Austria was once further north in what is now the South Bohemian region, so that it encompassed what is known as a portion of the Sudetenland. Although now in the Czech Republic, the entire region was part of the Hapsburg-ruled Austronesian-Hungarian Empire in the 19th century and was populated by German-speakers. Does anyone know about the history of the border in this area and if the Sudetenland part of the region was once part of Austria? German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message