This is a spelling that reflects Slovak partisanship and is still used by some US Slovaks. It was never recognized as the official spelling of this country. Sent from my iPhone On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:19 AM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > I meant I wonder if there was a time span of years that it would > have been spelled that way. Such as would it have been 1918 to > 1925 for example? > > > > Eventhough my direct ancestors...(my great grand mother and great > great grand parents) emigrated in 1878 they did leave behind other > children and siblings that could have been in Czechoslovakia up > until the explusion. So it is possible the person in the photo > connected to them. > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:01:17 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- >> slovakia" >> >> The time frame is 1918, as I mentioned before. >> Aida >> >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:39 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> >>> That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame >>> when >>> that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the >>> back having >>> it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the >>> back to >>> put the photo in place. >>> >>> Pam >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 >>>> From: [email protected] >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- >>>> slovakia" >>>> >>>> >>>> When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they >>> should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the >>> country should >>> be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through >>> the years >>> supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the >>> country >>> Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some >>> Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- >>>> slovakia" >>>> >>>> >>>> Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and >>>> how old >>>> the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is >>>> definitely >>> odd >>>> that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are >>>> three >>>> different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. >>>> Slovakia was >>>> more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely >>>> Austria >>>> oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both >>>> within the >>>> Empire >>>> Aida >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Aida and Frank, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with >>>>> the >>> dash. >>>>> However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the >>>>> country? >>>>> Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way >>>>> to spell >>>>> Czechoslovakia? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived >>>>> in >>>>> Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it >>>>> could >>> have >>>>> been a different relation. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Pam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 >>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. >>> Czecho-slovakia" >>>>>> >>>>>> I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash >>>>>> between >>> Czecho >>>>>> and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because >>> anything >>>>>> produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. >>>>>> Aida >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For what it's worth: >>>>>>> "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may >>>>>>> have >>>>> been >>>>>>> made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. >>>>>>> The M. could be a symbol for "made" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Frank >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Aida: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The >>>>>>> only >>>>> reason >>>>>>> I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact >>> that >>>>> the >>>>>>> frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near >>>>> Reichenberg. >>>>>>> They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have >>>>>>> been >>> one >>>>> of >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young >>>>> children. >>>>>>> My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first >>> wife. >>>>>>> So >>>>>>> perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been >>> newer >>>>>>> than >>>>>>> the photo. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Pam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. >>>>> Czecho-slovakia" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. >>> The >>>>>>> picture >>>>>>>> looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to >>>>>>>> know >>> for >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were >>> Austrian >>>>>>>> Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M >>> stands >>>>> for, >>>>>>>> unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? >>>>> Bohemia, >>>>>>>> Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from >>>>> Austrian >>>>>>>> monarchical lands and they called this combined area the >>>>>>>> Republic >>> of >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture >>> looks >>>>> to me >>>>>>>> like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear >>> these >>>>>>> pointed >>>>>>>> collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without >>> the >>>>>>> points, >>>>>>>> but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was >>>>> delivered >>>>>>>> from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 >>>>>>>> they >>>>> started >>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, >>>>>>>> but >>>>> still >>>>>>> VERY >>>>>>>> starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was >>>>>>>> the >>>>> reason >>>>>>>> for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride >>>>> separately >>>>>>>> as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might >>>>>>>> have >>>>> been >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a >>> passport >>>>>>> photo?, >>>>>>>> But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was >>>>> already >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an >>>>>>>> old >>>>> picture >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> it. Do you know? >>>>>>>> Aida >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez < >>> [email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking >>>>>>>>> ornate >>>>> frame >>>>>>> with >>>>>>>>> an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the >>>>> frame >>>>>>>>> there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one >>> knows >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>>> that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period >>> would >>>>>>>>> Bohemia have been called as such? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word >>> 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>> without >>>>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>> without >>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >>>> the >>> body of >>>> the message >>>> >>>> >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message