Aida and Frank, I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell Czechoslovakia? I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have been a different relation. Pam > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > Aida > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > For what it's worth: > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have been > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > Frank > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only reason > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that the > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near Reichenberg. > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one of > > the > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young children. > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > So > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > than > > the photo. > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > picture > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > what > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands for, > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? Bohemia, > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from Austrian > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks to me > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > pointed > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > points, > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was delivered > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they started > > to > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but still > > VERY > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the reason > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride separately > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have been > > for > > a > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > photo?, > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was already > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old picture > > in > > > it. Do you know? > > > Aida > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate frame > > with > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the frame > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > what > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and how old the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is definitely odd that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are three different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. Slovakia was more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely Austria oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both within the Empire Aida On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > Aida and Frank, > > > > I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with the dash. > However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the country? > Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way to spell > Czechoslovakia? > > > > I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived in > Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it could have > been a different relation. > > > > Pam > > > > > > > > > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash between Czecho > > and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because anything > > produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > > Aida > > > > On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > For what it's worth: > > > "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may have > been > > > made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > > > The M. could be a symbol for "made" > > > > > > > > > Frank > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > Aida: > > > > > > > > > > > > The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The only > reason > > > I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact that > the > > > frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > > > > > My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > Reichenberg. > > > They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > > > > > > > > > > > > What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have been one > of > > > the > > > sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > children. > > > My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first wife. > > > So > > > perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been newer > > > than > > > the photo. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > Czecho-slovakia" > > > > > > > > Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. The > > > picture > > > > looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to know for > > > what > > > > purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were Austrian > > > > Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M stands > for, > > > > unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > Bohemia, > > > > Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > Austrian > > > > monarchical lands and they called this combined area the Republic of > > > > Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture looks > to me > > > > like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear these > > > pointed > > > > collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without the > > > points, > > > > but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > delivered > > > > from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 they > started > > > to > > > > have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, but > still > > > VERY > > > > starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was the > reason > > > > for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > separately > > > > as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might have > been > > > for > > > a > > > > professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a passport > > > photo?, > > > > But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > already > > > > Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an old > picture > > > in > > > > it. Do you know? > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking ornate > frame > > > with > > > > > an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > frame > > > > > there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one knows > > > what > > > > > that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period would > > > > > Bohemia have been called as such? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the > > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >