I see on Amazon that they are offering merchandise with "Czecho-Slovakia" as trade mark dating from the 1930. Therefore, it was probably a stamp they used for merchandise produced for export. I should know from my own family's factory, but I was too young then to remember what else they had stamped on their electrical appliances but "Baumbusch-Bohemia", their trademark. Aida On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 12:30 PM, John Sabol <[email protected]> wrote: > This is a spelling that reflects Slovak partisanship and is still used > by some US Slovaks. It was never recognized as the official spelling > of this country. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Apr 27, 2010, at 10:19 AM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I meant I wonder if there was a time span of years that it would > > have been spelled that way. Such as would it have been 1918 to > > 1925 for example? > > > > > > > > Eventhough my direct ancestors...(my great grand mother and great > > great grand parents) emigrated in 1878 they did leave behind other > > children and siblings that could have been in Czechoslovakia up > > until the explusion. So it is possible the person in the photo > > connected to them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 20:01:17 -0700 > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >> slovakia" > >> > >> The time frame is 1918, as I mentioned before. > >> Aida > >> > >> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 7:39 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> That's very interesting. I wonder if there is a certain time frame > >>> when > >>> that was going on? The photo frame is very finely made with the > >>> back having > >>> it's own stand attached and little prongs that lift up to open the > >>> back to > >>> put the photo in place. > >>> > >>> Pam > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 22:32:46 -0400 > >>>> From: [email protected] > >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >>>> slovakia" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> When Czechoslovakia was first formed, a number of Slovaks felt they > >>> should have more autonomy and contended that the name of the > >>> country should > >>> be hyphenated. Of course, this never happened. However, through > >>> the years > >>> supporters of this faction continued to spell the name of the > >>> country > >>> Czecho-Slovakia in English. There is great evidence of this in some > >>> Slovak/English newspapers and other publications in the US. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > >>>> To: [email protected] > >>>> Sent: Mon, Apr 26, 2010 5:50 pm > >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. Czecho- > >>>> slovakia" > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Who knows, Pam! One would need to know how old the picture is and > >>>> how old > >>>> the frame is, that might give us a bit more to go on. It is > >>>> definitely > >>> odd > >>>> that there is a dash, although Bohemia, Moravia and Slovakia are > >>>> three > >>>> different countries which were all part of Austria Hungary. > >>>> Slovakia was > >>>> more Hungary oriented, but Moravia and Bohemia were definitely > >>>> Austria > >>>> oriented. Bohemia was a Kingdom and Moravia a Margravate both > >>>> within the > >>>> Empire > >>>> Aida > >>>> > >>>> On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:29 PM, PJ Vazquez <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Aida and Frank, > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I did think it odd that the name of the country was spelled with > >>>>> the > >>> dash. > >>>>> However, why would they put that stamp on there outside the > >>>>> country? > >>>>> Could there have been confusion in the beginning about the way > >>>>> to spell > >>>>> Czechoslovakia? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I am still wondering if the photo was from a relative that lived > >>>>> in > >>>>> Czechoslovakia or if this frame had been sold in Germany then it > >>>>> could > >>> have > >>>>> been a different relation. > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Pam > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 17:37:12 -0700 > >>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>> To: [email protected]; [email protected] > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > >>> Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>> > >>>>>> I think you are dead right, Frank, because there is a dash > >>>>>> between > >>> Czecho > >>>>>> and slovakia. That was put on it outside the country, because > >>> anything > >>>>>> produced after 1918 would have Czechoslovakia (one word) on it. > >>>>>> Aida > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On Sat, Apr 24, 2010 at 5:34 PM, Frank Soural <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> For what it's worth: > >>>>>>> "M. Czecho-slovakia" is actually an English expression. It may > >>>>>>> have > >>>>> been > >>>>>>> made in Czecho - but produced for the English speaking world. > >>>>>>> The M. could be a symbol for "made" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Frank > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Aida: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> The photo has no identification as to who the person is. The > >>>>>>> only > >>>>> reason > >>>>>>> I think that it might be from my Bohemian ancestors is the fact > >>> that > >>>>> the > >>>>>>> frame appears to be made in "M. Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My Bohemian ancestors emigrated in 1878 from Oberberzdorf near > >>>>> Reichenberg. > >>>>>>> They were Wohlmann, and Herrmann. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What you say makes me wonder if perhaps the photo could have > >>>>>>> been > >>> one > >>>>> of > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> sons who did not emigrate in 1878 with the parents and 3 young > >>>>> children. > >>>>>>> My gr gr grandfather had a set of older children with his first > >>> wife. > >>>>>>> So > >>>>>>> perhaps one of them sent the picture. The frame could have been > >>> newer > >>>>>>> than > >>>>>>> the photo. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks, Pam > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:25:40 -0700 > >>>>>>>> From: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Ornate photo frame "M. > >>>>> Czecho-slovakia" > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Pam: The term "Czechoslovakia" was coined in 1918, not before. > >>> The > >>>>>>> picture > >>>>>>>> looks older, I would say before that time. One would need to > >>>>>>>> know > >>> for > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>> purpose this picture was taken. In 1878 your ancestors were > >>> Austrian > >>>>>>>> Hungarians from Bohemia or Moravia. I don't know what this M > >>> stands > >>>>> for, > >>>>>>>> unless they were from Moravia, instead of Bohemia, do you know? > >>>>> Bohemia, > >>>>>>>> Moravia and Slovakia were combined to form a new country from > >>>>> Austrian > >>>>>>>> monarchical lands and they called this combined area the > >>>>>>>> Republic > >>> of > >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia, as of 1918. The men's fashion in that picture > >>> looks > >>>>> to me > >>>>>>>> like pre-WW1 (1914-1918), because after WW1 they did not wear > >>> these > >>>>>>> pointed > >>>>>>>> collars anymore. They had starched white shirt collars without > >>> the > >>>>>>> points, > >>>>>>>> but the collar then, was still separate from the shirt and was > >>>>> delivered > >>>>>>>> from the laundry in a round satchel. Then, in the late 1920 > >>>>>>>> they > >>>>> started > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> have regular men's shirts, pretty much the way they are now, > >>>>>>>> but > >>>>> still > >>>>>>> VERY > >>>>>>>> starched. Do you know the person in that picture and what was > >>>>>>>> the > >>>>> reason > >>>>>>>> for this photograph? Usually they photographed groom and bride > >>>>> separately > >>>>>>>> as well as together at the wedding photographer, or it might > >>>>>>>> have > >>>>> been > >>>>>>> for > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>>> professional promotion, or perhaps even an enlargement of a > >>> passport > >>>>>>> photo?, > >>>>>>>> But it could also be that someone brought a frame from what was > >>>>> already > >>>>>>>> Czechoslovakia and gave it to your relatives and they put an > >>>>>>>> old > >>>>> picture > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>>> it. Do you know? > >>>>>>>> Aida > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 5:00 PM, PJ Vazquez < > >>> [email protected]> > >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Hello, > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Among my family's old photos there is a very old looking > >>>>>>>>> ornate > >>>>> frame > >>>>>>> with > >>>>>>>>> an old photo. The person is not identified. On the back of the > >>>>> frame > >>>>>>>>> there is a stamping "M. Czecho-slovakia". I wonder if any one > >>> knows > >>>>>>> what > >>>>>>>>> that means? What does the "M" stand for? At what time period > >>> would > >>>>>>>>> Bohemia have been called as such? > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> My ancestors emigrated from Librec area 1878. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Here is a link to see the photo: I hope it will work for you. > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>> > >>> > http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v229/PJ2004/Geneology/MCzecho-slovakia.jpg > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Pam > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>>>> [email protected] with the word > >>> 'unsubscribe' > >>>>>>> without > >>>>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the > >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>>>> without > >>>>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>>> ------------------------------- > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>>>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>>>> > >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] > >>>> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >>>> the > >>> body of > >>>> the message > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>>> ------------------------------- > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >>> ------------------------------- > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>> without > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >>> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > >> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > >> the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > > the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >