Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence in the Czech Republic. While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million Germans is quite visible on this map. However, please consider that some of the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut along the length of the Iron Curtain against the West. To the North, Saxony, and then Communist East Germany, there was no such installation. These red dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part. This is not a representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much greater. These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to get a global positioning and the German and Czech name. You can then go to www.mapy.cz to zoom in on the area by satellite. You can go very close to individual properties and houses. With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead ended research block. Submitted by Aida http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93

Dear Aida: Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that you provide.  I always look forward to opening your responses.  It seems that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101".  I am unable to find my ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to the Sudetenland border.  I think it is near the edge but I am not sure.  As always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. Larry Klauser --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence in the Czech Republic.  While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million Germans is quite visible on this map.  However, please consider that some of the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut along the length of the Iron Curtain against the West.  To the North, Saxony, and then Communist East Germany,  there was no such installation.  These red dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part.  This is not a representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much greater.  These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to get a global positioning and the German and Czech name.  You can then go to www.mapy.cz to zoom in on the area by satellite.   You can go very close to individual properties and houses.     With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead ended research block.     Submitted by Aida http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aida Kraus to german-bohemian show details 3:58 PM (0 minutes ago) Ah Larry.... I guess it is not Haberkladrau after all.... I did a bit of searching and I came across a village name of Haberle after all, and it is near Prachatitz (Prachatitze). Watch your yahoo mail, I will send you a clipping of a little map I found. The link is the same as I sent to you early, but it is not the thumbnail No. 1 but the thumbnail No. 2. So go back to it and look at it. The historicka reveals a Haberles!!! So, here I have learned something, too. Aida http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Aida: > > Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that > you provide. I always look forward to opening your responses. It seems > that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101". I am unable to find my > ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to the > Sudetenland border. I think it is near the edge but I am not sure. As > always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. > > Larry Klauser > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM > > Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence > in > the Czech Republic. While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 > (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with > 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million > Germans is quite visible on this map. However, please consider that some > of > the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut > along > the length of the Iron Curtain against the West. To the North, Saxony, and > then Communist East Germany, there was no such installation. These red > dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part. This is not a > representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much > greater. These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to > get a global positioning and the German and Czech name. You can then go to > www.mapy.cz > to zoom in on the area by satellite. You can go very close to individual > properties and houses. > With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German > languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors > that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead > ended research block. > Submitted by Aida > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aida: I think my wife's family came from Unterhutten. At least there are family names there (Fleischman, Paa, & Wild). I know the village is no longer there, it was bulldozed down, but I could not find it on your map. Could you tell me where it is located? Bill Forshay - San Antonio, TX ________________________________ From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> To: german-bohemian <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 12:57:03 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence in the Czech Republic. While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million Germans is quite visible on this map. However, please consider that some of the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut along the length of the Iron Curtain against the West. To the North, Saxony, and then Communist East Germany, there was no such installation. These red dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part. This is not a representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much greater. These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to get a global positioning and the German and Czech name. You can then go to www.mapy.cz to zoom in on the area by satellite. You can go very close to individual properties and houses. With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead ended research block. Submitted by Aida http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message