Hello Aida: Thanks to the link to that great map.  The correct Ovesne is #2 which is just south of Chrobold (Chroboly) and about 40 Km west of Ceske' Budejovice.  When I zoomed in, I can see 'Haberles' faintly on the map.  If you can determine the relationship of that town to the Sudetenland border, it will be greatly appreciated.  Thanks again. Best Regards, Larry Klauser --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia To: [email protected] Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:23 PM Dear Larry, thanks for you kind words.   We need to find "your correct" Ovesne, there are several.  Go to this link: http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 <http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11>Click on all of them and when the map comes up, go to "dalsi" and then hit "historicka" and read the German name.  This is the way you can find Haberles (?) - a nickname for something I just happen to dig out of my 80 year old brain.   I have a sneaky suspicion that you screwed up the name of your ancestors and you mean Haberkladrau instead of Haberles!!!!  that is a bit to the East of Marienbad (Marianske Lazne on the map!!!) Good luck.... I have a feeling that we have hit bullseye now.  Yes?  Let me know! Aida ------------------------------------- On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > Dear Aida: > > Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that > you provide.  I always look forward to opening your responses.  It seems > that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101".  I am unable to find my > ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to the > Sudetenland border.  I think it is near the edge but I am not sure.  As > always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. > > Larry Klauser > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM > > Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence > in > the Czech Republic.  While the Czechs confiscated German property after WW2 > (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with > 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million > Germans is quite visible on this map.  However, please consider that some > of > the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut > along > the length of the Iron Curtain against the West.  To the North, Saxony, and > then Communist East Germany,  there was no such installation.  These red > dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part.  This is not a > representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much > greater.  These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to > get a global positioning and the German and Czech name.  You can then go to > www.mapy.cz > to zoom in on the area by satellite.   You can go very close to individual > properties and houses. >     With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German > languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors > that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a dead > ended research block. >     Submitted by Aida > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

That is why I use the Czech Mapy rather than the StettlSeeker, because historicka gives the German names, which are not given on the StettlSeeker map, only on their search button. The German names are needed to find the parish in order to extract information from the German Genealogy Site of the Sudetenland. That was the church register listing I sent in my prior mail to you. The distance to the border - see a kilometer scale on the left hand side - is about 20 km as the crow flies, maybe 25 km by road. This converts to 1.6 km = 1 mile, and therefore 20 km:1.6 amounts to 12.5 miles to the border with Bavaria , but if you drive by car it would be 25 km :1.6 = 15.5 miles. I guess that is what you are looking for. But it is better to rent a car at Pilsen (Plzen) raather than in Germany, because they are hesitant to rent cars going into the Chech Republic because of frequent car robberies of German cars. It is best if you find someone owning a car and pay him for his service to you. It is not far, about 30 some miles from Passau. Twice as long to Regensburg. Aida ------------------------ On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Larry Klauser <[email protected]>wrote: > Hello Aida: > > Thanks to the link to that great map. The correct Ovesne is #2 which is > just south of Chrobold (Chroboly) and about 40 Km west of Ceske' > Budejovice. When I zoomed in, I can see 'Haberles' faintly on the map. If > you can determine the relationship of that town to the Sudetenland border, > it will be greatly appreciated. Thanks again. > > Best Regards, > > Larry Klauser > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 4:23 PM > > Dear Larry, thanks for you kind words. We need to find "your correct" > Ovesne, there are several. Go to this link: > > http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 > < > http://www.mapy.cz/#[email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected][email protected]=11 > >Click > on all of them and when the map comes up, go to "dalsi" and then hit > "historicka" and read the German name. This is the way you can find > Haberles (?) - a nickname for something I just happen to dig out of my 80 > year old brain. I have a sneaky suspicion that you screwed up the name of > your ancestors and you mean Haberkladrau instead of Haberles!!!! that is a > bit to the East of Marienbad (Marianske Lazne on the map!!!) > Good luck.... I have a feeling that we have hit bullseye now. Yes? Let me > know! > Aida > > ------------------------------------- > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Larry Klauser <[email protected] > >wrote: > > > Dear Aida: > > > > Like others, I can not thank you enough for the continuous education that > > you provide. I always look forward to opening your responses. It seems > > that I have failed "Sudetenland map reading 101". I am unable to find my > > ancestors town of Haberles (Ovesne as it is now known) with reference to > the > > Sudetenland border. I think it is near the edge but I am not sure. As > > always, thanks for your wisdom, knowledge and guidance. > > > > Larry Klauser > > > > --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Aida Kraus <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: Aida Kraus <[email protected]> > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Obsolete Villages in Bohemia > > To: "german-bohemian" <[email protected]> > > Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 12:57 PM > > > > Here is a link to villages and buildings which are no longer in existence > > in > > the Czech Republic. While the Czechs confiscated German property after > WW2 > > (1945) in the Sudetenland and were trying to repopulate the area with > > 800,000 Czech new settlers, the enormous void created by the 3,2 Million > > Germans is quite visible on this map. However, please consider that some > > of > > the villages on the Western border were bulldozed to allow a clear cut > > along > > the length of the Iron Curtain against the West. To the North, Saxony, > and > > then Communist East Germany, there was no such installation. These red > > dots represent emptied out German villages to the most part. This is not > a > > representation of the German presence in Bohemia, because that was much > > greater. These red dots are merely obsolete villages you can click on to > > get a global positioning and the German and Czech name. You can then go > to > > www.mapy.cz > > to zoom in on the area by satellite. You can go very close to > individual > > properties and houses. > > With this map and alphabetical index of villages in Czech and German > > languages, you will be able to better locate the place of your ancestors > > that might no longer exist and I hope that this will help you out of a > dead > > ended research block. > > Submitted by Aida > > > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=22%20title= > > http://www.zanikleobce.cz/index.php?menu=93 > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >