I have to send the clippings from the Estates and their owners to your personal email as I cannot attach it here. This record is from 1840 and the owner at that time was Freiherr (Baron) Johann Anton von Starck. In the clippings you will find some of the people employed at the estate. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:40 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > I found Rochlawa to be part of the Gut Tschemin in the Mies-Pilsen > district. It was owned by Freiherr (Baron) Joseph von Erben. > I found this in Sommer's Schematismus for the Kingdom of Bohemia on this > link: > > http://books.google.com/books?id=3LgAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=www.mies-pilsen.de+Rochlowa&source=bl&ots=MUssxXDlWp&sig=0VVo5FF1ovb_1KdL4AasMqUUJCs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CsMwT8y-Juns2gWtn8i8Bw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=www.mies-pilsen.de%20Rochlowa&f=false > Now I am will look at Gut (Estate) Tschemin, it seems there were only a > few houses in 1830, and the people living there were most likely employed > by the estate. I will report what else I could find later. > Aida > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald >> area. Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. >> However, you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German >> territory toward the Bavarian border. >> http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 >> >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Aida, >>> >>> I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I >>> have >>> found them >>> very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great >>> grandfather, Wenzl >>> Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the >>> opportunity >>> to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG >>> problem. I did see that >>> there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it >>> be that this castle >>> was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? >>> >>> Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records >>> indicated that he was >>> a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry >>> > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and >>> > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the >>> names >>> > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran >>> their >>> > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over >>> several >>> > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either >>> had it >>> > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. >>> > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as >>> they >>> > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it >>> > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. >>> > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. >>> > >>> > Link: >>> > >>> > >>> http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: >>> > > >>> > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen >>> > > >>> > > I understand the German. >>> > > >>> > > Does this help? >>> > > >>> > > best, >>> > > Paul >>> > > >>> > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: >>> > > >>> > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, >>> because >>> > > there >>> > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names >>> in >>> > the >>> > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) >>> > > archives >>> > > > and which you can access from your home computer. >>> > > > Aida >>> > > > >>> > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >>> > > > >>> > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), >>> and I >>> > > have >>> > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came >>> from >>> > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Are any of these records online? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Thanks. >>> > > >> >>> > > >> Paul >>> > > >> Oregon >>> > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > >> ------------------------------- >>> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> > > without >>> > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >> >>> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > > ------------------------------- >>> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > > ------------------------------- >>> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > > >>> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> > ------------------------------- >>> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without >>> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> > >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >

I found Rochlawa to be part of the Gut Tschemin in the Mies-Pilsen district. It was owned by Freiherr (Baron) Joseph von Erben. I found this in Sommer's Schematismus for the Kingdom of Bohemia on this link: http://books.google.com/books?id=3LgAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA243&lpg=PA243&dq=www.mies-pilsen.de+Rochlowa&source=bl&ots=MUssxXDlWp&sig=0VVo5FF1ovb_1KdL4AasMqUUJCs&hl=en&sa=X&ei=CsMwT8y-Juns2gWtn8i8Bw&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=www.mies-pilsen.de%20Rochlowa&f=false Now I am will look at Gut (Estate) Tschemin, it seems there were only a few houses in 1830, and the people living there were most likely employed by the estate. I will report what else I could find later. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:16 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald area. > Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. However, > you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German > territory toward the Bavarian border. > http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Aida, >> >> I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I >> have >> found them >> very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great >> grandfather, Wenzl >> Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the >> opportunity >> to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG >> problem. I did see that >> there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it >> be that this castle >> was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? >> >> Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records >> indicated that he was >> a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Mark >> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry >> > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and >> > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the >> names >> > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their >> > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over >> several >> > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had >> it >> > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. >> > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they >> > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it >> > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. >> > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. >> > >> > Link: >> > >> > >> http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >> > >> > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: >> > > >> > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen >> > > >> > > I understand the German. >> > > >> > > Does this help? >> > > >> > > best, >> > > Paul >> > > >> > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: >> > > >> > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, >> because >> > > there >> > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in >> > the >> > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) >> > > archives >> > > > and which you can access from your home computer. >> > > > Aida >> > > > >> > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: >> > > > >> > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and >> I >> > > have >> > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came >> from >> > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >> > > >> >> > > >> Are any of these records online? >> > > >> >> > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >> > > >> >> > > >> Thanks. >> > > >> >> > > >> Paul >> > > >> Oregon >> > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > >> ------------------------------- >> > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > > without >> > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> >> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > > ------------------------------- >> > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > > ------------------------------- >> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Go to this map link, it is the old Austrian map for the Boehmerwald area. Rochlov then was Rochlowa, but it definitely has a Slavic name. However, you can see that all the other villages surrounding it were German territory toward the Bavarian border. http://www.mapy.cz/#x=13.175464&y=49.732364&z=12&d=muni_1458_1&t=s&l=5 On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > Aida, > > I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I have > found them > very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great > grandfather, Wenzl > Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the > opportunity > to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG > problem. I did see that > there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it > be that this castle > was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? > > Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records > indicated that he was > a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry > > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and > > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names > > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their > > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over > several > > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had > it > > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. > > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they > > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it > > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. > > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. > > > > Link: > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > > > > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > > > > > I understand the German. > > > > > > Does this help? > > > > > > best, > > > Paul > > > > > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > > > there > > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in > > the > > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > > > archives > > > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > > > have > > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > > >> > > > >> Are any of these records online? > > > >> > > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks. > > > >> > > > >> Paul > > > >> Oregon > > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mark, as to the "cottage dweller" I need the proper title in German because this could be a wrong translation. If he is listed as Häusler on your documents, he was a house owner with small acreage. BEsides that he was most likely trained in a craft, meaning that he either worked as a journeyman for someone, or had his own craft shop in or around his house. If he is listed as "Inwohner" then that means that he either rented a flat in a house which was owned by another, or he was actually employed there with room and board. Also, a pensioned family member, like grandpa or grandma would be listed as "Inwohner" which means that they were counted in the census as living in that house. Someone listed as "Hausbesitzer" means that he was a house-owner, and if he lived in a town, he was a Burgher which had more privileged social standing and he was not a serf but a responsible to his city council. If he lived in a village and was titled "Hausbesitzer" he then owned a house with a little more land than a Häusler and would have run some sort of business out of his house, like transportation service, tanning, game warden/hunter, forestry worker, butcher, baker, shoemaker, tailor, smith, cooper, woodworker, and such, comes to mind. It was rare that a young man did not have a profession, because at least after 8 years of schooling they were enrolled in some sort of apprentice program, unless it was a firstborn son who would be the inheritor of the "Hof" - meaning the family farm. Master craftsman were certified by a "Meisterbrief" issued by their guild (Master's diploma) upon completion of a "Meisterstueck" which was a valuable piece of work in his profession and if they were not displayed at the family home business, they can be seen at the various guild's craft-museum in Europe. Every "Meister" had to own a house, because he had to provide room and board for his apprentices and journeymen. Usually those Meister-Houses were larger houses as they worked mostly their profession in the industrial part of their homes or shops, however, at critical harvest times, everyone worked in the fields, because since there were no supermarkets, all victuals had to come from the owner's garden or fields. These professions were ruled under strict supervision by their guilds, and they were standardized by law since the Middle ages and this system continues to this day, hence the high quality of European craftsmen. A craft is not learned in Vocational school in Europe, but is a three year apprentice program with hands on practical learning. Now a vocational school supports the learning of apprentices twice a week. You may want to read up on that. Rochlov seems to have a different name now and I was unable to find its German name, but it is along the Boehmerwald which is called Sumava in Czech. I have to check out Rochlov a little closer to give you a better answer. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 4:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > Aida, > > I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I have > found them > very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great > grandfather, Wenzl > Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the > opportunity > to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG > problem. I did see that > there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it > be that this castle > was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? > > Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records > indicated that he was > a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry > > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and > > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names > > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their > > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over > several > > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had > it > > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. > > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they > > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it > > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. > > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. > > > > Link: > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > > > > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > > > > > I understand the German. > > > > > > Does this help? > > > > > > best, > > > Paul > > > > > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > > > there > > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in > > the > > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > > > archives > > > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > > > have > > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > > >> > > > >> Are any of these records online? > > > >> > > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks. > > > >> > > > >> Paul > > > >> Oregon > > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aida, I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I have found them very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great grandfather, Wenzl Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the opportunity to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG problem. I did see that there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it be that this castle was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records indicated that he was a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? Thanks, Mark On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over several > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had it > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. > > Link: > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > > > I understand the German. > > > > Does this help? > > > > best, > > Paul > > > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > > there > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in > the > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > > archives > > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > > Aida > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > > have > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > >> > > >> Are any of these records online? > > >> > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > >> > > >> Thanks. > > >> > > >> Paul > > >> Oregon > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > >> ------------------------------- > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >> > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mark, I THINK a cottager is a man who has a small cottage & a small plot of land, enough to grow food for his family & maybe have a cow for milk. Couldn't find my notes to verify. A cottager wouldn't have had many possessions, but his family would have been able to survive. Hope this helps. Judy Anchorage On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Mark Lieber <marklieber1@gmail.com> wrote: > Aida, > > I have been following conversations on this site for several weeks. I have > found them > very informative. This particular one is of interest to me. My great > grandfather, Wenzl > Lieber was from Rochlov, Bohemia. It is just west of Plzen. I had the > opportunity > to visit the village in 2010. But the language barrier posed a BIG > problem. I did see that > there was a "castle" in this small village. Wenzl was a miner. Could it > be that this castle > was the home of a nobleman l that employed him as a miner? > > Also, his father Petr Lieber lived across the lane from him. Records > indicated that he was > a "cottage dweller". What does that actually mean? > > Thanks, > > Mark > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:01 AM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry > > personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and > > there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names > > under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their > > agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over > several > > very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had > it > > run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. > > Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they > > developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it > > through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. > > Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. > > > > Link: > > > > > http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > > > > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > > > > > I understand the German. > > > > > > Does this help? > > > > > > best, > > > Paul > > > > > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > > > there > > > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in > > the > > > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > > > archives > > > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > > > Aida > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > > > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > > > have > > > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > > > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > > >> > > > >> Are any of these records online? > > > >> > > > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > > >> > > > >> Thanks. > > > >> > > > >> Paul > > > >> Oregon > > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > >> > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Go to page 367 where you can see that they have most of their Forestry personnel listed by name. There is one area called "Peter and Paul" and there may have been a farm called "Peterhof".... Also look at the names under "Maierhof" to possibly find this Peterhof. The Nobility ran their agriculture like a multiple economy and they had a large staff over several very large Maierhofs which are country estates at best. They either had it run by family, or they leased it out, or had a manager run it for them. Besides that, the nobility had industrial interests in the area, as they developed mining, glass blowing, porcelain factories, etc. just run it through the translator and you will see their revenue diversification. Forest and Wildlife was a HUGE resource for them in Bohemia. Link: http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > I understand the German. > > Does this help? > > best, > Paul > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > there > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in the > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > archives > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > Aida > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > have > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > >> > >> Are any of these records online? > >> > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Paul > >> Oregon > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It might. He was obviously a game warden for the Duke of Schwarzenberg. Now we have to find where Duke Schwarzenberg had a "Peterhof" to find the location. Here is a link to the estates of the nobility in Bohemia. It is in alphabetical order as to the owner. There is also an index in the back. Look for Schwarzenberg. When I have time, so will I. - If you have problems accessing it in "Google books", then enter this title: Schematismus des Grossgrundbesitzes im Koenigreich Boehmen. Aida Link: http://books.google.com/books?id=ugIEAAAAMAAJ&printsec=titlepage&dq=%22topografisch+statistischer%22+schematismus+des+grossgrundbesitzes+im+koenigreiche+bohmen#v=onepage&q=%22topografisch%20statistischer%22%20schematismus%20des%20grossgrundbesitzes%20im%20koenigreiche%20bohmen&f=false On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 7:23 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: > > Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen > > I understand the German. > > Does this help? > > best, > Paul > > On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because > there > > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in the > > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) > archives > > and which you can access from your home computer. > > Aida > > > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > > > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I > have > >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > >> > >> Are any of these records online? > >> > >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > >> > >> Thanks. > >> > >> Paul > >> Oregon > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I meant to add: His son was possibly married in "Schottenfeld" Parish. Paul --- Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen I understand the German. Does this help? best, Paul On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because there > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in the > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) archives > and which you can access from your home computer. > Aida > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I have >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >> >> Are any of these records online? >> >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Paul >> Oregon >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sorry, all I have is this as his occupation: Furstlich Schwarzenbergischer Fasanjager Zu Peterhof In Bohmen I understand the German. Does this help? best, Paul On Dé Luain, 6 Feabhra, 2012, at 07:12, Aida Kraus wrote: > Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because there > are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in the > church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) archives > and which you can access from your home computer. > Aida > > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > >> My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I have >> his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from >> Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). >> >> Are any of these records online? >> >> Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? >> >> Thanks. >> >> Paul >> Oregon >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you know the village name where this Peterhof was located, because there are several by that name? It might lead us to your family names in the church registers which are partially archived in the Plzn (Pilsen) archives and which you can access from your home computer. Aida On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:20 AM, <idirlion@me.com> wrote: > My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I have > his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from > Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). > > Are any of these records online? > > Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? > > Thanks. > > Paul > Oregon > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

My great-granddad was born in Austria 1883 (Laa an der Thaya), and I have his birth record, but my family tree says that his parents came from Bohemia (Peterhof 1826 and Budweiss 1855). Are any of these records online? Or do I need to order everything through the LDS? Thanks. Paul Oregon

Well said. Frank Slocum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theimer, Moses" <Theimer@NMMI.edu> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 > Dear Aida; > > Thank you for the great explanation and clarification, we all appreciate > you. You are truly a scholar, I wish I could sit at your feet and listen > to your lectures. > > My sympathies goes to you and your family. May the Lord of peace grace > you with his very self. > > Warmest regard, > > Moses > > Moses C. Theimer > LTC, Associate Professor > New Mexico Military Institute > Communications Department > 101 West College Boulevard > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > (575)624-8202 > theimer@nmmi.edu > www.nmmi.edu > > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of > german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:00 AM > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Student of Prague (Theimer, Moses) > 2. Aida Kraus's Husband Passed Away (D Genealogy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:32:51 -0700 > From: "Theimer, Moses" <Theimer@NMMI.edu> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Student of Prague > To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > > <C314407FC2989A48B454F1A0FBB7DFF6011859929F37@TEDDY-EXCHANGE.NMMI.local> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hello Everyone; > > I am presently teaching a Cinema History course and read about a German > film call Student of Prague (1913, Stellan Rye). The writer (autorefilm) > was Hanns Heinz Ewers, the principal actor was Paul Wegener, and director > was Stellan Rye. This film is noted for its fabulous photography effects; > furthermore the fantasy aspect of the film was also a trait of German > cinema which climaxed and developed into the German Expressionist period > of 1920. Has anyone ever seen this silent movie in its entirety? I just > watched a very short clip of it on YouTube. Would anyone like to explain > how prevalent or influential was the German culture during that period in > comparison with other cultures in the region. It seems this film was made > specifically for the German audience. > > Moses > > Moses C. Theimer > LTC, Associate Professor > New Mexico Military Institute > Communications Department > 101 West College Boulevard > Roswell, New Mexico 88201 > (575)624-8202 > theimer@nmmi.edu > www.nmmi.edu > > > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or > distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New > Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this > message. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:23:45 -0600 > From: D Genealogy <dansjeans@gmail.com> > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida Kraus's Husband Passed Away > To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > > <CAOQ9qh29CwUGg5nN9TnKsVwOAktcJSLOYgokdXYu=y6D_Wbs4Q@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Aida and Family, My deepest sympathies to you in this time sorrow. > > May Christ Jesus's love surround you and comfort you, and the arms of his > people. > > Held up In prayer, > Dan > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 > ********************************************** > > Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the > sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and > privileged information. 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Dear Aida; Thank you for the great explanation and clarification, we all appreciate you. You are truly a scholar, I wish I could sit at your feet and listen to your lectures. My sympathies goes to you and your family. May the Lord of peace grace you with his very self. Warmest regard, Moses Moses C. Theimer LTC, Associate Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (575)624-8202 theimer@nmmi.edu www.nmmi.edu -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012 1:00 AM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics: 1. Student of Prague (Theimer, Moses) 2. Aida Kraus's Husband Passed Away (D Genealogy) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 16:32:51 -0700 From: "Theimer, Moses" <Theimer@NMMI.edu> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Student of Prague To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C314407FC2989A48B454F1A0FBB7DFF6011859929F37@TEDDY-EXCHANGE.NMMI.local> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello Everyone; I am presently teaching a Cinema History course and read about a German film call Student of Prague (1913, Stellan Rye). The writer (autorefilm) was Hanns Heinz Ewers, the principal actor was Paul Wegener, and director was Stellan Rye. This film is noted for its fabulous photography effects; furthermore the fantasy aspect of the film was also a trait of German cinema which climaxed and developed into the German Expressionist period of 1920. Has anyone ever seen this silent movie in its entirety? I just watched a very short clip of it on YouTube. Would anyone like to explain how prevalent or influential was the German culture during that period in comparison with other cultures in the region. It seems this film was made specifically for the German audience. Moses Moses C. Theimer LTC, Associate Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (575)624-8202 theimer@nmmi.edu www.nmmi.edu Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 22:23:45 -0600 From: D Genealogy <dansjeans@gmail.com> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida Kraus's Husband Passed Away To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAOQ9qh29CwUGg5nN9TnKsVwOAktcJSLOYgokdXYu=y6D_Wbs4Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Aida and Family, My deepest sympathies to you in this time sorrow. May Christ Jesus's love surround you and comfort you, and the arms of his people. Held up In prayer, Dan ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 27 ********************************************** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

Aida and Family, My deepest sympathies to you in this time sorrow. May Christ Jesus's love surround you and comfort you, and the arms of his people. Held up In prayer, Dan

Hello Everyone; I am presently teaching a Cinema History course and read about a German film call Student of Prague (1913, Stellan Rye). The writer (autorefilm) was Hanns Heinz Ewers, the principal actor was Paul Wegener, and director was Stellan Rye. This film is noted for its fabulous photography effects; furthermore the fantasy aspect of the film was also a trait of German cinema which climaxed and developed into the German Expressionist period of 1920. Has anyone ever seen this silent movie in its entirety? I just watched a very short clip of it on YouTube. Would anyone like to explain how prevalent or influential was the German culture during that period in comparison with other cultures in the region. It seems this film was made specifically for the German audience. Moses Moses C. Theimer LTC, Associate Professor New Mexico Military Institute Communications Department 101 West College Boulevard Roswell, New Mexico 88201 (575)624-8202 theimer@nmmi.edu www.nmmi.edu Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including all attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution is prohibited unless specifically provided under the New Mexico Inspection of Public Records Act. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this message.

Hello List,I have run across this occupation for one of my distant relatives in Kr. Mahren.inwohnender Webermeister He was a linen weaver in Bergstadt/Horni Mesto.Thanks,Bill ThoendelHoskins, Nebraska

Susan, Thank you so much! The directions were perfect. I had only expected to find a physical location for the archives so I could have a researcher do some lookups, but to find there were online registers to browse was so much better! Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.originsgenealogy.org Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org On Jan 22, 2012, at 5:58 PM, SocksMyCat@aol.com wrote: > Nemcany is in kraj Ustecky > > This archive for this region is: > > http://matriky.soalitomerice.cz/matriky_lite/ > > Found under Alphabetical list of localities, Czech-German: > > Nemcany (Louny, Krasny Dvur) - German name Niemtschan > > --------------------- > > Link from main page on - "How To Use This Database" - directions on > how to use this archive > > http://matriky.soalitomerice.cz/matriky_uvody/navod_en.pdf > > -------------------------- > > had to look around, to find the actual record books..... directions: > > Press Search on the top of the page > > Enter - Mastov - in the box by Filter - then press Filter > > Mastov will be listed in yellow - press on Mastov > > you will see a list, press on the lines in the listing that include > Nemcany (I see 4 lines with Nemcany) > > After you select a line, press on the photo of a "Book" to see the > actual ledger > > ---------------------------------------- > Susan > > In a message dated 1/22/2012 12:19:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, > joe@mannfamily.cc writes: > Hi everyone, > I'm trying to find the name/location of the repository that might > have records for the area of Nemcany (formerly Nemschau), in the > Zatec region of northern Czech Republic. > > I thought I once saw a list of all the Czech archives somewhere on > this listserv but I've searched through the archived posts and > couldn't find anything. It could have been somewhere else I saw it. > > Thanks! > Joe > > -- > Joseph W. Mann Jr. > joe@mannfamily.cc > > The Origins Genealogy Project at www.originsgenealogy.org > Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at > www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/ > ~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN- > BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank You Paula, You are fantastic!!! I plan to put lots of Homeland photos up on Facebook and later on the GBHS webpage. Bob On Jan 20, 2012, at 11:11 PM, SocksMyCat@aol.com wrote: > > _http://actapublica.eu/matriky/plzen/prohlizec/4295/?strana=143_ > (http://actapublica.eu/matriky/plzen/prohlizec/4295/?strana=143) > direct link to Staniek baptism record on 11 Aug 1822 > > > > In a message dated 1/20/2012 7:04:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, > acmbjc@aol.com writes: > > I sincerely do not want to be a bother, but can someone please explain > where the year is listed in the PLZEN archives? I have figured out how to > register, and found the parish of Kraslice, but can't determine the year for > the records. Specifically searching for a Friederich STANIEK, b. 10 Aug > 1822, Graslitz son of Anton STANIEK and Maria Franziska LAUSMANN. > > > Believe me when I say that I have worked at this off and on for several > months, and just can't get the hang of it. I did find a very good set of > directions on the Family Search.org learn site, but as the saying goes, it is > "all Greek to me". > > > I did finally figure out how to register using the German language. I > know a tiny bit of German, not much, mind you. Also hit the magnifying glass > symbol for the time frame 1817--1824, found the months but can't find the > year 1822. > > Any help will be greatly appreciated. > > > And just to add I am trying to find the siblings for Friederich, either > baptism, marriage, death. They were Catholic, and their first born son > Joseph Enders Staniek born 3 Feb 1847 was baptized at the "Most Holy Body of > Christ" church; parents Friederich Staniek and Maria Theresia Enders. This > much I have from family notes here in the US. > > > Thanks so much! > > Marybeth Corrigall > acmbjc@aol.com > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi everyone, I'm trying to find the name/location of the repository that might have records for the area of Nemcany (formerly Nemschau), in the Zatec region of northern Czech Republic. I thought I once saw a list of all the Czech archives somewhere on this listserv but I've searched through the archived posts and couldn't find anything. It could have been somewhere else I saw it. Thanks! Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.originsgenealogy.org Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org >