I would love to have it as well. Can someone send it to me? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 29, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > You are welcome to have it, therefore, I must make the effort to mail > it to you, because it is in the format of a power point presentation and > cannot be attached to any mail going to through rootsweb and on the list. > If it were on You tube or on any other link, it would be possible to refer > you to it. But it is a power point presentation to open by those who have > a pps application on their computers. > Aida > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM, <Rejsky@aol.com> wrote: > >> why not make it available to all of us from the Boehmerwald? >> >> >> In a message dated 2/29/2012 9:41:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, >> birchbaylady@gmail.com writes: >> >> Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. >> Aida >> >> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Mark, >>> >>> I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. >>> I was not aware of this PBS presentation. >>> Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? >>> Thank you. >>> >>> Carroll Warschak >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> >>> To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride >>> >>> >>> I sent you one... >>> I think it is it. >>> >>> Mark Prokosch >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the >> subject and the body of the message >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

why not make it available to all of us from the Boehmerwald? In a message dated 2/29/2012 9:41:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, birchbaylady@gmail.com writes: Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You are welcome to have it, therefore, I must make the effort to mail it to you, because it is in the format of a power point presentation and cannot be attached to any mail going to through rootsweb and on the list. If it were on You tube or on any other link, it would be possible to refer you to it. But it is a power point presentation to open by those who have a pps application on their computers. Aida ------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:44 PM, <Rejsky@aol.com> wrote: > why not make it available to all of us from the Boehmerwald? > > > In a message dated 2/29/2012 9:41:11 A.M. Central Standard Time, > birchbaylady@gmail.com writes: > > Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. > Aida > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> > wrote: > > > Mark, > > > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > > Thank you. > > > > Carroll Warschak > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > > > > I sent you one... > > I think it is it. > > > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Diane: You should have it, I sent it to your email because I cannot attach it to the list! Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:17 AM, Diane Sears Brigode <brigode@ecentral.com>wrote: > I would really appreciate it if I could get this link also. Thanks! > > Diane Brigode > > On 2/29/2012 8:39 AM, Aida Kraus wrote: > > Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. > > Aida > > > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak<cwarschak@aol.com> > wrote: > > > >> Mark, > >> > >> I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > >> I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > >> Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > >> Thank you. > >> > >> Carroll Warschak > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mark Prokosch<mgprokosch@gmail.com> > >> To: german-bohemian<german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > >> > >> > >> I sent you one... > >> I think it is it. > >> > >> Mark Prokosch > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > . > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd also be interested in seeing the site:   Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride. I'm new to this list, and finding it fascinating!  I need to know where people are finding all this information.  Are there web sites, or were they able to visit libraries/archives in various cities? thanks, cheryl ________________________________ From: "german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 10:20 AM Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 47 German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ Today's Topics:   1. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Mark Prokosch)   2. Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary & Nuns       (Christiane Gromann)   3. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus)   4. Re: Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary &    Nuns (Aida Kraus)   5. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Carroll Warschak)   6. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (Aida Kraus)   7. Re: Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride (HELEN M WHITE) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 05:41:12 -0600 From: "Mark Prokosch" <mgprokosch@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <009801ccf6d7$0a2a7d20$1e7f7760$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii" I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM To: GBHS Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the old German villages in the Boehmerwald.  It was simply gorgeous and forwarded to a lot of people.  Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a few files and among them was this wonderful presentation.  If you have saved it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot be attached to this rootsweb mail. I will have then on file again!  Thank you! Aida German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:48:49 -0300 From: "Christiane Gromann" <gromann@uol.com.br> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births & Millitary &     Nuns To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <DD0E81BF4D8F4F5B8ADD964CB721C784@DELL> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1" How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida always and also the others!!!!! I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann and his family: According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still don't know where). He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" (lawyer?) Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the others family registers). Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz Gromann, with no reference he was dead. In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any military record, that could help to clarify it. I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. Thanks for any help. Chris ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 06:48:23 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CAMswtwqb73PiCgUXjZJDCcAYTUj0o+5Mfrgs-BLDNzUPhOZXeQ@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Yes, that was it..... and I thank you so very very much. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> wrote: > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM > To: GBHS > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the > old German villages in the Boehmerwald.  It was simply gorgeous and > forwarded to a lot of people.  Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a > few files and among them was this wonderful presentation.  If you have > saved > it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as > attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot > be > attached to this rootsweb mail. > I will have then on file again!  Thank you! > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:17:46 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Res: Re: Illigitimate Births &     Millitary &    Nuns To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CAMswtwqSP80CW2P0WG2riF+7UHLZJsPue9FWtH54HKVpE26m6Q@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of Nikolsburg (Mikulove).  Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned.  For not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! This is excellent research on your part!  I am proud of you! Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you translated that correctly.  And you also found that the child was legalized once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while the father was in the military.   As to this  sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)"  Go back to the original text and look at the word corporate.  I presume you misread this and could be an le instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army?  Also it is quite possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording this name.  Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. Could he be  recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it could be another Gromann relative.  If there is a cross next to the name of a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel"  he was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a Lieutenant.  Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you  are researching a family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the place as it looks now. Good luck to you! It is very exciting to share your success.  Thank you for your report. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann <gromann@uol.com.br>wrote: > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann > and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > pr?por?cn?ka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulov?. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in S?o Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 10:26:12 -0500 (EST) From: Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: mgprokosch@gmail.com, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CEC50D9A68F9FA-23F0-625E@webmail-d183.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"     Mark,     I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida.     I was not aware of this PBS presentation.     Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com?     Thank you.     Carroll Warschak -----Original Message----- From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 07:39:54 -0800 From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CAMswtwq03hN_L2EP7a6MT8aRj02NcqkSiNRF1Xt2rj6DSxq8Qg@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: >    Mark, > >    I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. >    I was not aware of this PBS presentation. >    Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? >    Thank you. > >    Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Wed, 29 Feb 2012 09:20:10 -0700 From: HELEN M WHITE <hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID:     <CALTeD8t35By__gHT1=46ZPbiijpzT2D53VoDu3cm2nq0HfA+Ow@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 To me also,.....PLEASE? .....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com<.....PLEASE?.....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: >    Mark, > >    I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. >    I was not aware of this PBS presentation. >    Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? >    Thank you. > >    Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *hwhitemc* "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak kindly."  ...by Sam @ MTPR ------------------------------ To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. 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Mark, I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. I was not aware of this PBS presentation. Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? Thank you. Carroll Warschak -----Original Message----- From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch

I would really appreciate it if I could get this link also. Thanks! Diane Brigode On 2/29/2012 8:39 AM, Aida Kraus wrote: > Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. > Aida > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak<cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > >> Mark, >> >> I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. >> I was not aware of this PBS presentation. >> Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? >> Thank you. >> >> Carroll Warschak >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mark Prokosch<mgprokosch@gmail.com> >> To: german-bohemian<german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride >> >> >> I sent you one... >> I think it is it. >> >> Mark Prokosch >> >> >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > . >

How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida always and also the others!!!!! I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann and his family: According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still don't know where). He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" (lawyer?) Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the others family registers). Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz Gromann, with no reference he was dead. In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: práporécníka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulové. Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in São Paulo, Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any military record, that could help to clarify it. I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. Thanks for any help. Chris

To me also,.....PLEASE? .....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com<.....PLEASE?.....hwhitemc8309@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- *hwhitemc* "Live simply; Care deeply; Love generously;" and most importantly, "Speak kindly." ...by Sam @ MTPR

Mark, I will send it to Carroll because I got a few more requests for it. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 7:26 AM, Carroll Warschak <cwarschak@aol.com> wrote: > Mark, > > I read with interest your reply to the request from Aida. > I was not aware of this PBS presentation. > Would you send the link to me at cwarschak@aol.com? > Thank you. > > Carroll Warschak > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 5:46 am > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Chris you are doing very very well, indeed! The IR7 is a Infantry Regiment Number 7 lead by Baron Schroeder of Nikolsburg (Mikulove). Regiments were deployed and you will have to wait for the information from Vienna where they were they were garrisoned. For not reading German and having used a translator, I must congratulate you! This is excellent research on your part! I am proud of you! Syndicus translates to counsel, legal counsellor or lawyer, and you translated that correctly. And you also found that the child was legalized once the father came back from service, so it was conceived and born while the father was in the military. As to this sentence: " tochter Franz Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?)" Go back to the original text and look at the word corporate. I presume you misread this and could be an le instead of te, like corporale - a corporal in the army? Also it is quite possible that the priest made a mistake in recording the name, but you have to read the entire sentence to understand to what he refers by recording this name. Here I cannot help you, because I would have to see the entry. Could he be recorded as sponsor to the child's birth, because then it could be another Gromann relative. If there is a cross next to the name of a person in a register that means that he is deceased. As "Feldwebel" he was already in the beginning ranks of officers, the next rank up being a Lieutenant. Therefore, with a lawyer and officer you are researching a family in the Burgher class of Nikolsburg and pay attention to the house numbers listed on these records, because if you find a plat of Nikolsburg, you can actually find the house number there. Once you know the location, you can use Google maps to zoom into the present location and look of the place as it looks now. Good luck to you! It is very exciting to share your success. Thank you for your report. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 4:48 AM, Christiane Gromann <gromann@uol.com.br>wrote: > How interesting all this subject!!!!! I am learning a lot! Thanks Aida > always and also the others!!!!! > > I'm trying to find out what happened with my ggggrandfather, Franz Gromann > and his family: > According to his his marriage register, he was born about 1775 (I still > don't know where). > He got married in Nov, 21th 1803, at age of 28 Hranice 19, to Johanna > (Anna) Machinek, at this register he was listed at Karl Schroeder Companie > (Id found as IR7). It seems he was allowed to married, and dismissed from > army? His enlisted age was 18 or 20 years old? > > The house they were listed was the Machinek's family and this could mean > that the new couple had lived there? Anna's father was a "syndicus" > (lawyer?) > Trying to find more, Id found a illegitimate birth of Antonia Otilia in > July, 2nd 1797, in Hranice 19, mother Anna Machinek. She was not > legitimated before Anna and Franz's marriage, but at her burial record in > January, 6th of 1856, Hranice 150, she was listed as "tochter Franz > Gromann, corporate in Weisskirchen". (what is corporate?) > Franz and Anna also had another daughter, Anna Catharina, born in Sep, > 21th 1804, in Hranice 19 (in this record the name of the father is Joseph > Gromann - note that I had not found any Joseph Gromann in the records, and > there is always the possibility that the priest had made a mistake. > Anna Catharina was buried in March, 19th 1807, at age of 3, Wurmfieber, in > Hranice 158 and there was a cross before her father name, Franz. (I think > this could indicate that he was death by this time, and the interesting is > that I did not find his burial register, neither any reference of it in the > others family registers). > > Well, after that I had found another illegitimate birth, of my > gggranfather, Johann Michael Gromann, in Sept, 30th 1808, Hranice 169, > mother Anna Machinek was listed as mother and in the father's name was > wrote - it seems faded like someone had tried to erase it - the name of > Anna's father, Joseph Machinek (who had died in 1800). In all the others > registers I had found about Johann Michael, he was listed as son of Franz > Gromann, with no reference he was dead. > In the other registers I had found Franz Gromann listed as: 1803: Karl > Schrolder Leib Compaq kompanie; 1846: Feldwebel von Belegard Regiment; 1856 > and 1864: Feldwebel bei k.k. Regim. Baron Schroeder in Nikolsburg; 1867: > práporécníka c.k. Pluku Barona Schroedera v Mikulové. > > Trying to go futher, I had found the book "Gedenklatter aus der > Kriegsgeschichte der K.K. Oesterreichischen Armee von A.Graf Thuerheim, I. > Band, 1880. At page 28 the history of the IR7. The FML Carl Schroeder was > the "Inhaber" of this regiment from 1783 to 1808. I don't know German, so I > use a translator, but I could not find this regiment in the Hranice region, > neither any reference to Nikolsburg (Mikulov). Id already had written to > Kriegs archives in Wien, but don't have any answer. I live in São Paulo, > Brazil and Family centers here could not help me either, so I cant find any > military record, that could help to clarify it. > I am trying to pick up the puzzle pieces.... and understand them. > Thanks for any help. > Chris > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Yes, that was it..... and I thank you so very very much. Aida On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:41 AM, Mark Prokosch <mgprokosch@gmail.com> wrote: > I sent you one... > I think it is it. > > Mark Prokosch > > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus > Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM > To: GBHS > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride > > Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the > old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and > forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a > few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have > saved > it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as > attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot > be > attached to this rootsweb mail. > I will have then on file again! Thank you! > Aida > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I sent you one... I think it is it. Mark Prokosch -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Aida Kraus Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:21 AM To: GBHS Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald Air Balloon Ride Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have saved it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot be attached to this rootsweb mail. I will have then on file again! Thank you! Aida German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Last August I received a PPS presentation of an air balloon ride over the old German villages in the Boehmerwald. It was simply gorgeous and forwarded to a lot of people. Afterwards I had a computer crash and lost a few files and among them was this wonderful presentation. If you have saved it and it is still in your files, could you please forward the link as attachment to my private Email: birchbaylady@gmail.com because it cannot be attached to this rootsweb mail. I will have then on file again! Thank you! Aida

I have found a baptism record for a relative of my cousin's in the Pilsen archive online. She was born in 1884 in the village of Althutten, Wassersuppen parish (Nemanice) and it was stated that she was illigitimate and was legitimate by marriage of her father and mother in 1876. It doesn't state that he was in the military. It states that he was a zimmerman (a carpenter). It also states that they lived apart, 1974. Could the father have been in the military? Also on her sister's birth record, who was born before her, it has the same father but a different mother. That mother was a sister to his wife. I can't find what happened to the mother of her older sister and my cousin doesn't know. Could she have became a nun and/or went someplace else. I didn't find her in the death records. It also states that the older sister became legitimate at the marriage of her father in 1876. My cousin said that a relative hinted that those two sisters did not get along well growing up but there was no word of that spoken in her house.

Denise: To answer your first question "Could the father have been in the military?" I am answering with a very positive yes, because the children were declared legitimate at their wedding. He was unable to marry while in the military and married immediately after he had completed his tour of duty, probably as a carpenter in the k&k Austrian military. You might be able to find him on a microfilm entitled "Grundbuchblaetter diverse" which is available in alphabetical order of surnames. There are several rolls. Often, the widower married the sister of his wife because the children were better taken care of by a blood relative, like an aunt. I doubt very much that she became a nun, but more likely that she expected a difficult birth and went to the house of the midwife. Also Gynaecologists were already in place at larger villages or in towns, so there was medical help when difficult births were expected. I would suggest that you look at the name of the village where the child was born. It might be in the same parish church, but they have sections in the register for various villages served by the same parish church.. If you find that the birth village has another name of the village where they resided, you might want look in the death entries of that village. They are often listed a bit further back in the church register, or they are chronologically listed in the register, but then you must pay attention to the text, because they state the place of birth and death. This then would give you a much better clue as to what happened. You have to go through the entire register, not just what you see in the beginning, to realize how the priests organized their information. it is not uniform, and each priest has a different way of recording. Some very accurate, some very sloppy. Also, check on the child after a mother died giving birth, because quite often after the baby becomes also a casualty due to lack of proper nourishment. Although mothers often shared their milk with other babies and fed them as long as possible. Some of these babies were 4 years old before they were weaned, because during breast feeding the mothers rarely conceived and they would go as long as their bodies produced milk. After all, that was the only birth control they knew at that time. Aida On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 3:35 PM, denice juneski <denicejusa@usfamily.net>wrote: > > I have found a baptism record for a relative of my cousin's in the Pilsen > archive online. She was born in 1884 in the village of Althutten, > Wassersuppen parish (Nemanice) and it was stated that she was illigitimate > and was legitimate by marriage of her father and mother in 1876. It > doesn't state that he was in the military. It states that he was a > zimmerman (a carpenter). It also states that they lived apart, 1974. > Could the father have been in the military? > > Also on her sister's birth record, who was born before her, it has the > same father but a different mother. That mother was a sister to his wife. > I can't find what happened to the mother of her older sister and my cousin > doesn't know. Could she have became a nun and/or went someplace else. I > didn't find her in the death records. It also states that the older sister > became legitimate at the marriage of her father in 1876. > > My cousin said that a relative hinted that those two sisters did not get > along well growing up but there was no word of that spoken in her house. > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello to all!!!!! I just found at ANNO - Austrian Newspaper Online, the newspaper "Nachrichten über Verwundete und Verletzte" (Google translation: News of the wounded and injured) about World War I from the years of 1914-1918. I don't know German but it seems to cover all Austrian-Hungarian Army as I could see. There is the rank, regiment, place and hospital. There are a lot of interesting newspapers online at ANNO, that may help you in your researches. I did not have lucky yet but, hope this could help someone! The link of the newspaper: [1]http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=mtb&datum=1881&zoom=33 The link of ANNO: [2]http://anno.onb.ac.at/ Chris, References 1. http://anno.onb.ac.at/cgi-content/anno?aid=mtb&datum=1881&zoom=33 2. http://anno.onb.ac.at/

Vova provided: Kaiser Karl, beatified in the Roman Catholic Church, died in 1922 contemplating a crucifix held by Empress Zita. He never abdicated. He was also the last Emperor of the Austrian Empire. I think you may be speaking of Otto von Habsburg, the last Archduke. A true citizen of Europe, he was an early advocate for all of the minorities of the former Empire, not just the Bohemians, and even spoke several of the minority Slavic dialects (including Rusyn language). Stateless due to Hitler stripping him of his citizenship, he was offered the crown of Spain by Franco but he turned it down, but later became a delegate to and presideent of the European Parliament (from Bavaria). Vova H. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <birchbaylady@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Marriage - Military Service and illegitamatebirths Mary, military service was a requirement and young healthy men had to serve. However, a lot of exceptions were made in the process of "mustering" - conscription. For instance, when a family settled in a new area where agricultural population was required within the Empire, there was no military service for the new settlers, and they were also given ten years of tax exemption. Actually, the conscription was very selective and not everyone passed through pretty stiff medical exams. Failing an eye exam alone would make the person "untauglich" = unfit to serve. Damages to limbs or birth defects were also unacceptable to service, and they would not pass conscription if they had a lung or skin diseases. Actually, most young men were eager to serve because they were always transferred to another area in the Monarchy and this afforded them travel and seeing a bit of the "world". It was considered a set back when they did not measure up to the conscription requirements. But in other circumstances, for instance, when a young man married early to take over the family's farm and avoided service, that was usually based on a necessity to take care of the family, which included older family members. The eldest son was often "passed over" for service, or another brother stood in for the son best suited to run the farm. I heard from my family that the young men were taking their duties quite seriously and "shirking" was not looked upon very favorably. The Bohemians were Royalists and true to the crown, and the House of Habsburg recognized the "Egerlander Regiment" as one of their best. Exiled Emperor Karl of Habsburg (recently deceased at a ripe old age) was always attending the meetings of the German Bohemians expellees in Germany. Aida On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Mary Read <maryutschig@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thanks for your advise, Aida. There were very few deaths of children > in > this large family which I thought unusual. Out of the really 18 > children, > I found only 3 deaths, then the death of Anton in 1757 and an Anna > Catharina in 1765. I found some marriages of a few of the children, > so I > will try and find births of their children, which by the later dates > should > reveal more information about parents and grandparents. > > Elaine asked a question about the military--whether it was voluntary > or > required. Can anyone answer that? If required, how old would they > have > had to be to be required to go into the military; and was there a > length of > time they had to serve? > > Thanks for everyone's input. > > Mary > > --- On Mon, 2/13/12, Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> wrote: > > > From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Marriage - Military Service and > illegitamate births > > To: polloe@earthlink.net, german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 11:14 PM > > Do not mix up the stories you hear > > about England or Ireland, or even > > Scandinavian places, because they were in the vicinity > > of a seashore. This > > is an entirely different culture and provides a steady mix > > of people. > > Bohemia is landlocked, the people who lived there lived in > > the same places > > for centuries and everybody knew everybody else's business > > for several > > generations (and besides the whole village was related by > > intermarriage). > > Everybody's affair was widely discussed among the > > villagers. This in > > itself had a rather self-controlling effect on all > > inhabitants. And that > > was also often the cause for emigration, some had just about > > enough of > > interferences. But let me tell you that villagers were very > > protective of > > their own people and sometimes rather cruel to outsiders or > > even villagers > > from the next village. Sometimes when a young swain from > > another village > > looked for a bride in a neighboring village, he was often > > thoroughly > > thrashed by the young men of the village where that pretty > > girl lived. To > > be able to steal the (village's Maibaum) may-tree and plant > > it in the > > garden of your sweetheart in another village, that was just > > about the > > greatest insult to the young men of a village but a great > > honor to the lady > > in question. There were "wars" fought in Springtime > > when the juices were > > flowing and there are a lot of funny stories as part of > > Egerland's legends. > > It simply was a very clannish group protecting their > > own. And because of > > that, those that deserved help received it. > > Read the prior discussions on that. > > Aida > > > > On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM, <polloe@earthlink.net> > > wrote: > > > > > Doug, Robert and Joseph bring up interesting points. > > Things I was not at > > > all familar with. > > > > > > Ya had to have enough money to marry? Like how much? > > Was this to pay the > > > church or to establish a home or for someother > > purpose? > > > > > > Did this mean the household of the new unwed Mother had > > to financially > > > support the new Mom and child? > > > > > > If so, Fathers must have cringed every time a female > > baby was born because > > > each daughter could end up costing him a great deal. > > > > > > Culturally, things must have been so different from > > place to place. Like > > > Doug, I was thinking about England and their cruelity > > with designations of > > > bastard and the like. > > > > > > Aida could you and others in the know, give us all a > > tutorial on the > > > broader subjects referenced in this discussion ? > > > > > > Thanks again, in advance, > > > > > > Elaine > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > >From: Joseph Lischka <jlischka@ceoexpress.com> > > > >Sent: Feb 14, 2012 12:02 AM > > > >To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Multiple marriages > > or concubines in 1700's > > > in Bohemia? > > > > > > > >My great grandfather Laurenz was born illegitemate > > to Frantisek and Eva > > > in 1844 in southwest Bohemia, where Frantisek was a > > millworker. Frantisek, > > > Eva and little Laurenz went back to Frantisek's home > > village in southeast > > > Bohemia soon after and Frantisek and Eva got married 14 > > years later, which > > > made Laurenz legitimate. Frantisek was never a soldier > > as far as I know. > > > The whole family were factory workers or day laborers > > and probably could > > > not afford to marry. > > > > > > > >--- rpaulgb@yahoo.com > > wrote: > > > > > > > >From: Robert Paulson <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> > > > >To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > > >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Multiple marriages > > or concubines in 1700's > > > in Bohemia? > > > >Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:37:05 -0600 > > > > > > > >Aida, Was it also true that a couple could not > > marry until the man could > > > prove that he was finically able to support a family? > > > >I understand that this was the case in Sweden. T he > > community did not > > > want to support a family that was not able to provide > > for itself > > > > > > > >On Feb 13, 2012, at 6:46 PM, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > > > > > >> Yes, exactly! In the Austrian Hungarian > > Army (and please don't forget > > > that > > > >> that this Army existed for 400 years) > > all soldiers of lower ranks were > > > >> not allowed to marry while in service. It was > > different in officers > > > ranks, > > > >> but then the father of the bride had to pay a > > dowry of 20,000 Kronen as > > > >> "Kaution" (security). I do not know the > > exact legal ramification on > > > that, > > > >> so you must read up on it. I just know > > the story from our family, > > > where my > > > >> aunt's arguments with her father were > > fierce, because she desired to > > > >> receive that money from him for her > > marriage. Since my grandfather had > > > 6 > > > >> daughters, he most certainly could not single > > out one of them with this > > > >> privilege. > > > >> And yes, these entries you > > found in the registers are indeed these > > > >> "early born" children who were declared > > legitimate as soon as the father > > > >> came back from his tour of > > duty. The Church was understanding in > > this, > > > >> because the couple was not able to marry while > > the groom was serving in > > > the > > > >> Military. > > > >> Aida > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 3:50 PM, <polloe@earthlink.net> > > wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> Aide, > > > >>> > > > >>> Wondering about something you wrote below > > about Military Service, > > > Marriage > > > >>> and Births. > > > >>> > > > >>> Sometimes I notice in church registers > > that a woman gives birth to a > > > child > > > >>> who is noted as illigitamet. At a later > > date, it appears a Father's > > > name > > > >>> was added and illigitamet is crossed out > > and ligitamete added. > > > >>> > > > >>> Would this be likely one of those times > > when the Father was away with > > > the > > > >>> military? Would adding a Fathers > > name in such a situation happen > > > fairly > > > >>> regularly? > > > >>> > > > >>> Speaking of Military Service. In peace > > time ( was there any? ), what > > > was > > > >>> the requirement of males to military > > service? Did they ALL have to > > > service > > > >>> or was it voluntary? > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks again, > > > >>> > > > >>> Elaine in Maine > > > >>> > > > >>> -----Original Message----- > > > >>>> From: Aida Kraus <birchbaylady@gmail.com> > > > >>>> Sent: Feb 13, 2012 5:39 PM > > > >>>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] > > Multiple marriages or concubines in > > > 1700's > > > >>> in Bohemia? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Mary, there is hardly any likehood > > that our very Catholic families who > > > >>> were > > > >>>> living so close to the Abbey of Tepl > > were polygamous. What you are > > > >>>> encountering is this. The > > Utschig were a HUGE family. Every family > > > had > > > >>>> many children, They became each others > > sponsors at birth and so the > > > same > > > >>>> first names come up again and > > again. If the births were only 3 or 7 > > > >>> months > > > >>>> apart, then you must look into the > > names of the father and mother, and > > > >>> even > > > >>>> there you may encounter the same > > names. So, since no house nunbers > > > are > > > >>>> given, you have to diagram your family > > members with their birth dates. > > > >>>> Eventually you will find out into > > which families they could they fit > > > it. > > > >>>> This is just your guideline. > > > >>>> I had a > > similar situation where three brothers had children > > and > > > >>>> all of them used the same first names > > over and over again. And > > > then, the > > > >>>> children of the NEXT generation were > > given the exactly same names by > > > their > > > >>>> related sponsors, which of course were > > family member, brothers > > > sisters, > > > >>>> cousins, and still - to this day > > - that whole clan is somewhat of a > > > >>> puzzle > > > >>>> to what family they belong; but > > it was not unusual that a woman gave > > > >>> birth > > > >>>> to 19 children.... one every year > > until menopause.. That does not mean > > > >>> that > > > >>>> they all survived, but they are, or > > course, listed as births in the > > > >>> church > > > >>>> register. So go then to the > > death register and see who was listed > > > there > > > >>>> and there they also give the names of > > the parents. It will help you > > > to > > > >>>> sort out the families. If you > > compare birth register to death > > > register > > > >>> you > > > >>>> will find more clarity. > > > >>>> Go back as > > far as you can and write down the names of the > > > couples > > > >>>> (meaning families of siblings). > > Then, write down the names of their > > > >>>> children and next to it the birth date > > and if you find a death entry > > > as > > > >>>> well...... > > > >>>> And then see, how they fit. > > > >>>> And this is the way you can sort it > > out. > > > >>>> Good luck. > > > >>>> Birth of 18 children is > > absolutely possible, we have found that many > > > >>> times > > > >>>> and from the same couple. Thre are > > also multiple marriages, but forget > > > >>>> polygamy in the Egerland, they were > > far to religious. Pre marital > > > birth > > > >>> of > > > >>>> children are possible, because the men > > were not able to marry while in > > > >>>> military service and could not wait > > that long. They usually married > > > >>>> immediately when they were released. > > > >>>> As far as children > > born to a family goes, my own grandmother on my > > > >>>> mother's side gave birth to 13 > > children in the late 1800, of which 7 > > > lived > > > >>>> through their childhood diseases which > > killed many of their siblings. > > > The > > > >>>> causes were mostly Scarlett fever, > > Diphteria, whooping cough, "Pocken" > > > >>>> which is smallpox and > > disentery. > > > >>>> They solely relied on herbal medicines > > then. > > > >>>> Aida > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 1:35 PM, Mary > > Read <maryutschig@yahoo.com> > > > wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I was wondering if there were men > > who had more than one wife > > > (polygamy) > > > >>> in > > > >>>>> the early to middle 1700's in > > Bohemia, or concubines? (I understand > > > in > > > >>>>> Germany there was polygamy at one > > time because of the lack of men, so > > > >>> many > > > >>>>> having been killed in wars.) > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I have 18 children born to an > > Anton Utschig, with the wife as being > > > Anna > > > >>>>> Catharina. I found one > > marriage (Oct 1728 to Anna Catharina > > > >>> Pichl/Büchl), > > > >>>>> but cannot find the other > > marriage, if there were two separate > > > >>> marriages. > > > >>>>> Or he had a woman on the side, > > also named Anna Catharina who born him > > > >>> many > > > >>>>> children. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> There were three children born to > > an Anton and Anna Catharina before > > > the > > > >>>>> 1728 marriage I found. This > > is important to me because my 3rd great > > > >>>>> grandfather belonged to one of the > > Anton's and Anna Catharina's. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> These early records do not tell > > you much--no occupations listed like > > > in > > > >>>>> the later records. No haus > > numbers, no names of parents. Two > > > children > > > >>>>> born 3 months apart, another two, > > 7 months apart. The rest of the > > > >>> children > > > >>>>> are spaced out so that they could > > belong to either Anna Catharina. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> I have also looked to see if there > > was a death for the first Anna > > > >>>>> Catharina but could not find one. > > Yet the children mentioned above > > > who > > > >>> were > > > >>>>> 3 and 7 months apart were in 1729 > > (Aug and November) and the other in > > > >>> 1739 > > > >>>>> (Apr and November) (with lots of > > children in between). So my theory > > > on > > > >>> the > > > >>>>> death of an Anna doesn't hold > > up. Too many children born in between > > > >>> 1729 > > > >>>>> and 1739. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Any insight would be greatly > > appreciated. I hope this makes sense. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Mary > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society > > web site > > > >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >>>>> ------------------------------- > > > >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, > > please send an email to > > > >>>>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > >>> without > > > >>>>> the quotes in the subject and the > > body of the message > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web > > site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >>>> ------------------------------- > > > >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please > > send an email to > > > >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >>> ------------------------------- > > > >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send > > an email to > > > >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' > > > without > > > >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of > > the message > > > >>> > > > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >> ------------------------------- > > > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > > email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_____________________________________________________________ > > > >A CEOExpressSelect Member > > > >http://www.ceoexpress.com > > > > > > > >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > >------------------------------- > > > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

/ Any information on the percent who served in units which were not headquartered in the draftee's recruitment district? For example, an Egerlander assigned to a e.g. Moravian unit, or Galcian unit, etc. _______ Lavrerntiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <birchbaylady@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Marriage - Military Service and illegitamatebirths Mary, military service was a requirement and young healthy men had to serve. However, a lot of exceptions were made in the process of "mustering" - conscription. For instance, when a family settled in a new area where agricultural population was required within the Empire, there was no military service for the new settlers, and they were also given ten years of tax exemption. Actually, the conscription was very selective and not everyone passed through pretty stiff medical exams. Failing an eye exam alone would make the person "untauglich" = unfit to serve. Damages to limbs or birth defects were also unacceptable to service, and they would not pass conscription if they had a lung or skin diseases. Actually, most young men were eager to serve because they were always transferred to another area in the Monarchy and this afforded them travel and seeing a bit of the "world". It was considered a set back when they did not measure up to the conscription requirements. But in other circumstances, for instance, when a young man married early to take over the family's farm and avoided service, that was usually based on a necessity to take care of the family, which included older family members. The eldest son was often "passed over" for service, or another brother stood in for the son best suited to run the farm. I heard from my family that the young men were taking their duties quite seriously and "shirking" was not looked upon very favorably. The Bohemians were Royalists and true to the crown, and the House of Habsburg recognized the "Egerlander Regiment" as one of their best. Exiled Emperor Karl of Habsburg (recently deceased at a ripe old age) was always attending the meetings of the German Bohemians expellees in Germany. Aida

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