To all, As a director of a Family History Center in Bozeman, Montana, I can say that there are some patrons who do not own a computer at all and so they use the center computers which are secure to access the online film ordering site as needed. They may have to create a user id, etc to do the job. Yes we don't handle any money whatsoever but the center computers are there for patron use.Frank > Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 06:32:55 -0400 > From: pamw2@fuse.net > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org - ordering, microfilm > > On 5/30/2012 3:00 AM, german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > I understand why the centers have changed their practice, but for seniors > > like me with an old computer that is not always secure, the new practice > > adds a layer of concern I'd rather not deal with. Altho PayPal is fairly > > secure, it has had security issues in the not too distant past (according > > to our news up here). > > Judy, > > One workaround for this is to purchase a gift credit card in a small > amount (or use a reloadable card with just enough to cover your > microfilm costs) and use that in ordering. That way you're not putting > your main credit card or bank account at risk. > > -- > Pam > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On 5/30/2012 3:00 AM, german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > I understand why the centers have changed their practice, but for seniors > like me with an old computer that is not always secure, the new practice > adds a layer of concern I'd rather not deal with. Altho PayPal is fairly > secure, it has had security issues in the not too distant past (according > to our news up here). Judy, One workaround for this is to purchase a gift credit card in a small amount (or use a reloadable card with just enough to cover your microfilm costs) and use that in ordering. That way you're not putting your main credit card or bank account at risk. -- Pam

When you order online from FamilySearch, you can pay with either PayPal or a credit card -- it is easily done.  It is also easy to set up a PayPal account, very secure, probably easier and more secure than using a credit card.  My biggest problem is how easy it is to throw more microfilms into the cart! This payment form makes it so all those local history centers don't have to handle money anymore -- and it is much, much quicker than I have ever received films before. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:29:32 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org Thank you, Marco.  The wiki site gives detailed information.  As far as I know, familysearch doesn't have vital records films for Oberaltertheim.  I asked about ordering films at my local family history center but was told that I would have to use PayPal to order them, which I can't do, so it's a non-issue anyway.  I wish they hadn't changed their payment methods. Thanks again. Judy On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marco Scavo <marco.scavo@comcast.net>wrote: > The information contained in the IGI varies.  Sometimes it's from records > themselves, sometimes it's from people.  I would suggest that it merely be > used as a guide to doing your own research.  I personally wouldn't read too > much into the lack of a father's name on there until I had independently > verified it. > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy petersen > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:14 PM > To: German Bohemians mail list > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org > > Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help another > researcher.  I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but > have > some questions.  What exactly is the info on the IGI?  Is it transcribed > info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or > religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family > tree > or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the actual > civil & parish records? > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Me again, Judy. Earlier in this thread you wrote: >Peter Nicholas Beheng was born about 1834. Sorry I omitted that. Judy< Familysearch.org has: Petrus (Latin for: Peter) Beheng Christened: 25 Mar 1835 [comment: he was most likely born on that same day, or just a very few days before it) Faith: Catholic Church name: Heiligkreuz (Holy Cross) Location: Fliessem, Rheinland (Rhineland), Prussia Father: Thomae (Latin for: Thomas) Beheng Mother: Reginae (Latin for: Regina) Styren Batch-No.: C98408-2 This almost perfectly fits to the data you have. (This couple had a number of other children which your friend will also find via familysearch.org) There's also a Familienbuch = Family Lineage Book for the place Fliessem and the non-profit society I mentioned below has a copy of it in their library. Good luck with this research and best, Vera -----Original Message----- From: Vera Nagel Sent: Dienstag, 29. Mai 2012 19:41 To: 'german-bohemian@rootsweb.com' Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng >>Thanks so very much. I'm forwarding your instructions to the Beheng descendent, and she will follow up on this, I'm sure. She is just getting started with genealogy and is very interested in learning how to research successfully. Many thanks for responding. Judy<< You're most welcome, Judy. In case the Beheng descendent, you're trying to help, sees a possibility that any of the Beheng names appearing on familysearch.org might be the correct one, then she should contact the 'Westdeutsche Gesellschaft fuer Familienkunde, Bezirksgruppe Trier' = Western Germany Society for Family Research, local group Trier Their website is here: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ Follow the link 'Kontakt' = Contact and send a kind request for help (including all relevant details about the desired person 'Peter Nicolaus Beheng' you're aware of: when born, when and where deceased, where/when and to whom married, when immigrated to the U.S.) to Mr. Karl Oehms - email: karl.oehms(at)t-online.de If he or any other group member may be able to help, I am sure your friend will get useful information from this group. Best, Vera Nagel, Germany

The information contained in the IGI varies. Sometimes it's from records themselves, sometimes it's from people. I would suggest that it merely be used as a guide to doing your own research. I personally wouldn't read too much into the lack of a father's name on there until I had independently verified it. https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index -----Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy petersen Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:14 PM To: German Bohemians mail list Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help another researcher. I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but have some questions. What exactly is the info on the IGI? Is it transcribed info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family tree or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the actual civil & parish records?

I understand why the centers have changed their practice, but for seniors like me with an old computer that is not always secure, the new practice adds a layer of concern I'd rather not deal with. Altho PayPal is fairly secure, it has had security issues in the not too distant past (according to our news up here). Judy On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:07 PM, <lindat06@comcast.net> wrote: > > > When you order online from FamilySearch, you can pay with either PayPal or > a credit card -- it is easily done. It is also easy to set up a PayPal > account, very secure, probably easier and more secure than using a credit > card. My biggest problem is how easy it is to throw more microfilms into > the cart! > > > > This payment form makes it so all those local history centers don't have > to handle money anymore -- and it is much, much quicker than I have ever > received films before. > > Linda > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "judy petersen" <skigranny@gmail.com> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 9:29:32 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org > > Thank you, Marco. The wiki site gives detailed information. As far as I > know, familysearch doesn't have vital records films for Oberaltertheim. I > asked about ordering films at my local family history center but was told > that I would have to use PayPal to order them, which I can't do, so it's a > non-issue anyway. I wish they hadn't changed their payment methods. > Thanks again. > Judy > > On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marco Scavo <marco.scavo@comcast.net > >wrote: > > > The information contained in the IGI varies. Sometimes it's from records > > themselves, sometimes it's from people. I would suggest that it merely > be > > used as a guide to doing your own research. I personally wouldn't read > too > > much into the lack of a father's name on there until I had independently > > verified it. > > > > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy petersen > > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:14 PM > > To: German Bohemians mail list > > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org > > > > Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help > another > > researcher. I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but > > have > > some questions. What exactly is the info on the IGI? Is it transcribed > > info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or > > religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family > > tree > > or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the > actual > > civil & parish records? > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>>Thanks so very much. I'm forwarding your instructions to the Beheng descendent, and she will follow up on this, I'm sure. She is just getting started with genealogy and is very interested in learning how to research successfully. Many thanks for responding. Judy<< You're most welcome, Judy. In case the Beheng descendent, you're trying to help, sees a possibility that any of the Beheng names appearing on familysearch.org might be the correct one, then she should contact the 'Westdeutsche Gesellschaft fuer Familienkunde, Bezirksgruppe Trier' = Western Germany Society for Family Research, local group Trier Their website is here: http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ Follow the link 'Kontakt' = Contact and send a kind request for help (including all relevant details about the desired person 'Peter Nicolaus Beheng' you're aware of: when born, when and where deceased, where/when and to whom married, when immigrated to the U.S.) to Mr. Karl Oehms - email: karl.oehms(at)t-online.de If he or any other group member may be able to help, I am sure your friend will get useful information from this group. Best, Vera Nagel, Germany

I very much agree with you Marco, because I have seen a lot of mistakes on these forms, sometimes conflicting entries by several batch numbers which sources provided by several people for the same ancestor. You can find the originator by batch number but you have to go through IGI or LDS administration for that. The batch number will lead you to the source. You can then contact the originator and ask him if he is willing to share the documents that were used for the input. In my experience, I was not very often successful, as the originator had passed away - in the meantime - and the families had no ideas where these documents were kept. So you will have to find this same source all over again. You can screen Internet genealogical banks and there are many. Since most of them are given an alphabetical surname list, the scanning is easy. But I found that you get the best "hits" if you get in touch with genealogists working the geographical area of your ancestors and for that you can contact Rootsweb lists to give you a hand in establishing successful contacts. German place names do not guarantee that their geographical location is in Germany, as borders have drastically changed since after WW1 1918, and then again after WW2 in 1945. For this I found the Shtettlseeker extremely helpful. It is an old tool, but new researchers need to know about it. Remember that you MUST have information from lead documents to retain legality of your family tree, or it will be worthless. But it sometimes happens that we have to flag the work status for certain family members. It will help the individual who works after you to know how far you have gone to achieve documentation. Mostly, even distant family members will help you exchange information on common family records. But it will be up to you to negotiate an exchange, or to be willing to defray their research costs. That is a fair exchange. The document itself is a valuable item for which fees are paid. This has nothing to do with the voluntary service we provide for you by transcribing or translating documents so that you can merely understand the contents. If we find a "hit" for you, you can then request a certified translation. But the IMPORTANT and valuable part of any document is the source, place and date and legal name of your ancestor you are researching. All name changes or anglicizing of German names are recorded on the back of the US Naturalization document. Aida Aida On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Marco Scavo <marco.scavo@comcast.net>wrote: > The information contained in the IGI varies. Sometimes it's from records > themselves, sometimes it's from people. I would suggest that it merely be > used as a guide to doing your own research. I personally wouldn't read too > much into the lack of a father's name on there until I had independently > verified it. > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy petersen > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:14 PM > To: German Bohemians mail list > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org > > Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help another > researcher. I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but > have > some questions. What exactly is the info on the IGI? Is it transcribed > info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or > religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family > tree > or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the actual > civil & parish records? > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you, Marco. The wiki site gives detailed information. As far as I know, familysearch doesn't have vital records films for Oberaltertheim. I asked about ordering films at my local family history center but was told that I would have to use PayPal to order them, which I can't do, so it's a non-issue anyway. I wish they hadn't changed their payment methods. Thanks again. Judy On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 5:06 PM, Marco Scavo <marco.scavo@comcast.net>wrote: > The information contained in the IGI varies. Sometimes it's from records > themselves, sometimes it's from people. I would suggest that it merely be > used as a guide to doing your own research. I personally wouldn't read too > much into the lack of a father's name on there until I had independently > verified it. > > https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/International_Genealogical_Index > > -----Original Message----- > From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of judy petersen > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:14 PM > To: German Bohemians mail list > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] the IGI at familysearch.org > > Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help another > researcher. I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but > have > some questions. What exactly is the info on the IGI? Is it transcribed > info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or > religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family > tree > or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the actual > civil & parish records? > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Aida and Vera, You have been so helpful. I'm again forwarding all of your emails to her, and you've provided her with so much information and direction. She is fortunate to have such great assistance. Thanks again. Judy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Vera Nagel" <vpanews@t-online.de> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:40 PM To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng >>>Thanks so very much. I'm forwarding your instructions to the Beheng > descendent, and she will follow up on this, I'm sure. She is just > getting > started with genealogy and is very interested in learning how to > research > successfully. Many thanks for responding. Judy<< > > You're most welcome, Judy. > > In case the Beheng descendent, you're trying to help, sees a possibility > that any of the Beheng names appearing on familysearch.org might be the > correct one, then she should contact the > > 'Westdeutsche Gesellschaft fuer Familienkunde, Bezirksgruppe Trier' = > Western Germany Society for Family Research, local group Trier > > Their website is here: > http://www.genealogienetz.de/vereine/wgff/trier/ > > Follow the link 'Kontakt' = Contact > and send a kind request for help (including all relevant details about > the desired person 'Peter Nicolaus Beheng' you're aware of: when born, > when and where deceased, where/when and to whom married, when immigrated > to the U.S.) > to Mr. Karl Oehms - email: karl.oehms(at)t-online.de > > If he or any other group member may be able to help, I am sure your > friend will get useful information from this group. > > Best, > Vera Nagel, Germany > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2178 / Virus Database: 2425/5030 - Release Date: 05/29/12 >

Aida - many thanks for this. I am very grateful. Antonina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng > >From Aida > To Antonina: > go to this website and key in the names you want to research. The red > areas are where the name is most frequent. Click on the area to get the > location's name. Then go on the German Internet and look for the white > pages of the German Telephone book called "Oeffentliches Telefonbuch" > Good luck: > http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/rach.html > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Antonina&MikeSpittal < > a.m.spittal@waitrose.com> wrote: > >> You mention having a link to German names in Germany. Would you be able >> to >> see if you have any locations for the names "RACH" and "EIPERT", so that >> I >> could make contact with the relevant German rootsweb groups? >> I would be most grateful for any hints you can give me. Thank you. >> Antonina >> Spittal geb. RACH >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> >> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:25 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng >> >> >> > Judy, I think you are on the wrong list for this question here. This >> > has >> > nothing to do with German Bohemia as these names are not common for >> > that >> > area. You have to go to the rootsweb lists covering Germany. But >> > since >> I >> > happen to have a link to German names in Germany, I found Beheng >> > (exactly >> > how it is spelled) most prominent in the Bitburg-Pruem and >> > Trier-Saarburg >> > areas. There are also families of that name in Bielefeld, Duesseldorf, >> > Koeln, Bonn, Euskirchen and Daun. I would start with Bitburg Pruem >> > and >> > Trier Saarburg, searching if there are "Ortsfamilienbuecher" (Family >> > books) >> > available, and if you could obtain title and author. Von Pitz was not >> > successful, but Puetz without the Von were seen as most frequent in the >> > Rhein Sieg Kreis, Berlin, Karlsruhe, Rastatt, Baden-Baden and >> > Esslingen. >> > I hope that this will help you in obtaining some literature from that >> > area, but you would be much better served becoming a member of the >> > German >> > list. You can pose your question in English there, asking if anybody >> would >> > be in possession of an "Ortsfamilienbuch" of the above named towns and >> > if >> > they could look up the names for you, and that you would appreciatei t >> > if >> > they could give you the source. >> > Aida >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > >> > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her >> >> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to >> >> Belle >> >> Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna Von >> >> Pitz >> >> b. >> >> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let >> >> them >> >> leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women on the >> >> voyage. >> >> >> >> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled >> >> so >> >> very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know how >> the >> >> original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without >> >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> > without >> > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Vera Nagel, Germany) raised the issue of the IGI in trying to help another researcher. I have used the IGI (International Genealogical Index) but have some questions. What exactly is the info on the IGI? Is it transcribed info from the actual birth, marriage, death records (civil or religious) in a given country, or is it info from a researcher's family tree or Bible, etc. (posted by a person on the IGI) rather than from the actual civil & parish records? The reason I'm asking is that I found birth info on the IGI for Margaretha (my gr grandmother) & Jacob Goetzelmann (sibs) born in Oberaltertheim, Bavaria, Germany, in Oct. 1856 & Feb. 1854 respectively. Mother's name: Barbara Goetzelmann. No father's name was given for either birth, which makes me wonder if Barbara was actually married. Family lore says she buried 2 husbands. Barbara remarried sometime, either in Oberaltertheim or Chicago, to Michael Schatzlein & gave birth to John Schatzlein 1 Jul 1868, abt 1 month after arriving in Chicago as widow Goetzelmann. I was 12 when Margarethe died at age 100, & I'm still kicking myself for never asking about her family. I don't need any help with the research since I've got just about everything for the family in the U.S. However, the IGI records giving no father's name has become a sticking point for me. If the IGI records are transcribed from official Bavarian records, I can assume family lore is wrong about the 2 husbands. That would also color how I look at other info gleaned from the IGI in the future. Thanks in advance for clearing this up. Judy in Alaska

> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her >> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to >> Belle Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna >> Von Pitz b. >> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let >> them leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women >> on the voyage. >> >> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled >> so very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know >> how the original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy Judy, sorry for jumping in. My suggestion would be to go to www.familysearch.org While on their website click on "Go to previous version" (it's somewhere near the middle of that site on the right and displayed on grey background) which takes you to the old version of their website. Enter your surname of interest Beheng (nothing else) Let it search for all events. For country choose Germany and leave the default setting to look in all states in place On the next screen showing the search results go to the IGI for Germany (there's a link to it in a box on the right) This will take you to the next window with about 56 hits for people with the surname Beheng You'll immediately notice records for males with the given name "Petrus" = Latin for "Peter" and/or with given name "Nicolaus" = Latin equivalent for "Nicholas" or similar. May be one of these is one of your ancestors. Since you didn't provide the age for the people of interest and/or their assumed birth year I can't tell more right now, sorry. Anyway, both places which appear in the IGI = Fliessem as well as Waxweiler are in what was part of Prussia in those old days and are today located in the German state Rheinland-Pfalz = Rhineland-Palatinate and that's the region to concentrate your research on. Hope that helps, Vera Nagel, Germany

I am posting this under a separate heading for easier retrieval. Recording clerks at immigration stations often wrote surnames and place-names phonetically. While this poses many puzzles to the family researcher, I am finding a Jewish Gen website most helpful, because it works with a phonetic spelling tool and gives you a large selection of similar sounding places. And when you find a match, you can then go to the country (as places are shown with GPS locators) to find the present day spelling. Most Eastern countries have changed German place names to their present country's language, and you will find references on this site also. Here is the link: http://www.jewishgen.org/Communities/LocTown.asp Aida

Antonina and Judy: Thanks for your kind words. I know of course, that you have looked into ancestry first, just as Vera Nagel suggested, because this is the first step we must take in researching our families. From there on out, we find good records at the census, military files, social security, death records and in regional and county seat files. But I also understand very well that the 4-5-6th generation of Americans are mixed with many other nationalities and ethnic groups and, therefore, the geography of all these many countries is no longer as familiar as it would be for a native of just one country, like Vera in Germany. Therefore, if you have German ancestry (and I am far better with German Bohemian and Austrian ancestry than purely German ancestry, of course) I have found that the mouse click on these maps is a wonderful tool to narrow down into a specific areas or Germany. Often we have found the "red" areas to be potent, after we could not find any clue on Ancestry, ship lists, SS and census records. But I know it is not the American record that gives us puzzles, but the difficult task where to look for whom in our ancestry, especially when they do not show the place of origin. These "verwandte.de" maps are another way to get to know one of the many countries of our families' origins. Many of us dig in Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, Alsace Lorraine, Luxembourg, France, Italy, Poland, Russia, and all countries of the former Austria Hungary Monarchy of course. The easiest records to find are in Britain and Belgium, and they go back so much farther than most, because the 30 years war 1618-1648 did not damage as many churches, as they did in other places of our search. Our families became Americans by becoming "mixed ethnic groups" during so many generations living here. I know you have been into most of these areas as I meet you at the Family Research Centers. Germany is just another one "of those".... So I am glad that by using the " verwandte.de" map can familiarize yourself with the geography of a severely truncated Germany. You are well advised to use old maps before and after Word War 1 (1914-1918) also. Keep your Sherlock Holmes caps on! Good luck from Aida On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> wrote: > Thanks so very much. I'm forwarding your instructions to the Beheng > descendent, and she will follow up on this, I'm sure. She is just getting > started with genealogy and is very interested in learning how to research > successfully. Many thanks for responding. Judy > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Vera Nagel" <vpanews@t-online.de> > Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:33 AM > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng > > >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> > > wrote: > >> > >>> Hi, > >>> > >>> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her > >>> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to > >>> Belle Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna > >>> Von Pitz b. > >>> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let > >>> them leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women > >>> on the voyage. > >>> > >>> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled > > > >>> so very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know > >>> how the original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy > > > > Judy, > > > > sorry for jumping in. My suggestion would be to go to > > > > www.familysearch.org > > > > While on their website click on "Go to previous version" (it's somewhere > > near the middle of that site on the right and displayed on grey > > background) which takes you to the old version of their website. > > > > Enter your surname of interest Beheng (nothing else) > > Let it search for all events. > > For country choose Germany and leave the default setting to look in all > > states in place > > On the next screen showing the search results go to the IGI for Germany > > (there's a link to it in a box on the right) > > This will take you to the next window with about 56 hits for people with > > the surname Beheng > > > > You'll immediately notice records for males with the given name "Petrus" > > = Latin for "Peter" and/or with given name "Nicolaus" = Latin equivalent > > for "Nicholas" or similar. May be one of these is one of your ancestors. > > Since you didn't provide the age for the people of interest and/or their > > assumed birth year I can't tell more right now, sorry. > > > > Anyway, both places which appear in the IGI = Fliessem as well as > > Waxweiler are in what was part of Prussia in those old days and are > > today located in the German state Rheinland-Pfalz = Rhineland-Palatinate > > and that's the region to concentrate your research on. > > > > Hope that helps, > > Vera Nagel, Germany > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ----- > > No virus found in this message. > > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > > Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5028 - Release Date: 05/28/12 > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thanks so very much. I'm forwarding your instructions to the Beheng descendent, and she will follow up on this, I'm sure. She is just getting started with genealogy and is very interested in learning how to research successfully. Many thanks for responding. Judy -------------------------------------------------- From: "Vera Nagel" <vpanews@t-online.de> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 3:33 AM To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng >> On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> > wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her >>> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to >>> Belle Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna >>> Von Pitz b. >>> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let >>> them leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women >>> on the voyage. >>> >>> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled > >>> so very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know >>> how the original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy > > Judy, > > sorry for jumping in. My suggestion would be to go to > > www.familysearch.org > > While on their website click on "Go to previous version" (it's somewhere > near the middle of that site on the right and displayed on grey > background) which takes you to the old version of their website. > > Enter your surname of interest Beheng (nothing else) > Let it search for all events. > For country choose Germany and leave the default setting to look in all > states in place > On the next screen showing the search results go to the IGI for Germany > (there's a link to it in a box on the right) > This will take you to the next window with about 56 hits for people with > the surname Beheng > > You'll immediately notice records for males with the given name "Petrus" > = Latin for "Peter" and/or with given name "Nicolaus" = Latin equivalent > for "Nicholas" or similar. May be one of these is one of your ancestors. > Since you didn't provide the age for the people of interest and/or their > assumed birth year I can't tell more right now, sorry. > > Anyway, both places which appear in the IGI = Fliessem as well as > Waxweiler are in what was part of Prussia in those old days and are > today located in the German state Rheinland-Pfalz = Rhineland-Palatinate > and that's the region to concentrate your research on. > > Hope that helps, > Vera Nagel, Germany > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5028 - Release Date: 05/28/12 >

Aida -- this address is a great gift to me and I imagine others too.  Thank you - again for all you do.   Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:49:53 -0700 From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <CAPY_z9wzyOudsJ__TdVLWuQ2XxDUk41XjmKig72qvQuMZ5Zc8g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >From Aida To Antonina: go to this website and key in the names you want to research. The red areas are where the name is most frequent. Click on the area to get the location's name. Then go on the German Internet and look for the white pages of the German Telephone book called "Oeffentliches Telefonbuch" Good luck: http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/rach.html

You mention having a link to German names in Germany. Would you be able to see if you have any locations for the names "RACH" and "EIPERT", so that I could make contact with the relevant German rootsweb groups? I would be most grateful for any hints you can give me. Thank you. Antonina Spittal geb. RACH ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:25 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng > Judy, I think you are on the wrong list for this question here. This has > nothing to do with German Bohemia as these names are not common for that > area. You have to go to the rootsweb lists covering Germany. But since I > happen to have a link to German names in Germany, I found Beheng (exactly > how it is spelled) most prominent in the Bitburg-Pruem and Trier-Saarburg > areas. There are also families of that name in Bielefeld, Duesseldorf, > Koeln, Bonn, Euskirchen and Daun. I would start with Bitburg Pruem and > Trier Saarburg, searching if there are "Ortsfamilienbuecher" (Family > books) > available, and if you could obtain title and author. Von Pitz was not > successful, but Puetz without the Von were seen as most frequent in the > Rhein Sieg Kreis, Berlin, Karlsruhe, Rastatt, Baden-Baden and Esslingen. > I hope that this will help you in obtaining some literature from that > area, but you would be much better served becoming a member of the German > list. You can pose your question in English there, asking if anybody would > be in possession of an "Ortsfamilienbuch" of the above named towns and if > they could look up the names for you, and that you would appreciatei t if > they could give you the source. > Aida > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her >> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to Belle >> Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna Von Pitz >> b. >> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let them >> leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women on the >> voyage. >> >> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled so >> very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know how the >> original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Aida To Antonina: go to this website and key in the names you want to research. The red areas are where the name is most frequent. Click on the area to get the location's name. Then go on the German Internet and look for the white pages of the German Telephone book called "Oeffentliches Telefonbuch" Good luck: http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/rach.html On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 11:33 AM, Antonina&MikeSpittal < a.m.spittal@waitrose.com> wrote: > You mention having a link to German names in Germany. Would you be able to > see if you have any locations for the names "RACH" and "EIPERT", so that I > could make contact with the relevant German rootsweb groups? > I would be most grateful for any hints you can give me. Thank you. Antonina > Spittal geb. RACH > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Spelling of the name Beheng > > > > Judy, I think you are on the wrong list for this question here. This has > > nothing to do with German Bohemia as these names are not common for that > > area. You have to go to the rootsweb lists covering Germany. But since > I > > happen to have a link to German names in Germany, I found Beheng (exactly > > how it is spelled) most prominent in the Bitburg-Pruem and Trier-Saarburg > > areas. There are also families of that name in Bielefeld, Duesseldorf, > > Koeln, Bonn, Euskirchen and Daun. I would start with Bitburg Pruem and > > Trier Saarburg, searching if there are "Ortsfamilienbuecher" (Family > > books) > > available, and if you could obtain title and author. Von Pitz was not > > successful, but Puetz without the Von were seen as most frequent in the > > Rhein Sieg Kreis, Berlin, Karlsruhe, Rastatt, Baden-Baden and Esslingen. > > I hope that this will help you in obtaining some literature from that > > area, but you would be much better served becoming a member of the German > > list. You can pose your question in English there, asking if anybody > would > > be in possession of an "Ortsfamilienbuch" of the above named towns and if > > they could look up the names for you, and that you would appreciatei t if > > they could give you the source. > > Aida > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > On Tue, Mar 27, 2012 at 11:55 AM, Judy Olson <jolson@rea-alp.com> wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> I'm helping a friend locate info on the passenger lists for her > >> ggrandfather Peter Nicholas Beheng, who immigrated from Prussia to Belle > >> Plain, Scott Co., Minnesota in about 1867. His wife-to-be Anna Von Pitz > >> b. > >> about 1842 was also on the ship. I'm told the captain wouldn't let them > >> leave the ship until he married them, supposed to protect women on the > >> voyage. > >> > >> However, I'm having trouble finding that Beheng name as it is spelled so > >> very many ways. So is Von Pitz, for that matter. Does anyone know how > the > >> original spelling might be? Thanks. Judy > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I can read German, so I can "use" this site, but I am clueless when it comes to where I should look for my relative Martin Pichler, who was possibly a senator in Bohemia. Can anyone direct me? Thanks. Paul On Dé Céadaoin, 16 Bealtaine, 2012, at 13:49, peter.hanson@comcast.net wrote: > Sorry > Actapublica.eu > > Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless > > -----Original message----- > From: idirlion@me.com > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Wed, May 16, 2012 20:05:16 GMT+00:00 > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Actapublica > > What is Actapulcic? > > Paul > > On Dé Céadaoin, 16 Bealtaine, 2012, at 12:56, peter.hanson@comcast.net wrote: > >> I had browsed records about a year ago on Actapulcic, and although not a quick endeavor it seems that things are loading up verrrrrrrry slowly now. >> Is everyone having the same issue or is it my system? Takes a good full minute for each page to load, so going page by page is taking what seems like "forever". >> Pete >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: idirlion@me.com >> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:29:53 AM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Senator In Budweiss >> >> I have a relative who, my dad told me, was a Senator In Budweiss. >> >> A researcher found his son's 1786 birth record, in which the dad (Martin Pichler) is listed as a Tuchmachermeister - Master Cloth Maker. >> >> Are there any political records of the time that could be searched, to try to find Martin, in case he really was a senator? >> >> Thanks. >> >> best, >> Paul >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message