This is a witness report of people who have gone through the cruelty of expulsion from their homeland. It is a document called "Whitebook" and contains legal witness records kept in the files at Bonn by the German Government for 50 years under lock and key. However, they should have published it as part of truthful reporting of history after the homeless had declared their Charter. You will find that charter on the link listed below. There were 14 to 16 Million of us Germans who have lost their homeland after WW2. The numbers of expelled persons and their deaths have never been fully established. They were living for centuries (in some cases as natives) in countries which is now Poland, Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, the different states of the former Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and others, and their deaths were caused by mass transports, mass executions, rapes and sadistic tortures between 1945-1947, up to two years after the war. Mass graves of these martyred people are found from time to time even now at construction excavations but creates just a minimum of publicity, because it was so horrendous that even the victims would rather forget. Read the Charta at this page and notice the date of the Charter.... just 5 years after the war when wound of our losses were still fresh: http://www.bund-der-vertriebenen.de/derbdv/charta-en.php3 Aida On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 11:16 AM, <miscsearch@aol.com> wrote: > Aida, > > I found this while researching family members from Freiwaldau. What is > your opinion of this. > > > http://www.wintersonnenwende.com/scriptorium/english/archives/whitebook/desg00.html > > I've seen postings in the past regarding propaganda and would like to > know what's what. Thanks. > > Cathy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

List Members, I had heard that the Regional Archives in Klattau/Klatovy had been closed and that the Land Records for Western Bohemian had been transferred to the Archives in Pilsen/Plzen. If this is true, how can they be researched? Does anyone have information about this? Bob Paulson GBHS

List-members: I had heard some time ago that that the Regional Achieves in Klatovy/Klattau had been closed and that all the land records for western Bohemia had been moved to the Archives in Plzen/Pilsen. Is this a fact or just a rumor?Does anyone have any information about the availability of these land records? Bob Paulson

Hi everyone, I'm researching my MANN and ORTMANN families that lived in Plan in the Tachau district, Bohemia (Plana, Czech Republic today). I've used Actapublica to view various parish death registers and see that each record seems to note the house number (in Arabic numbers) and district of the town (in Roman numerals) where the person lived/ died. Wondering if there is any modern or historical map available that shows the districts and house numbers of Plan so I can get a sense of where they lived (and maybe track some family migration within the town). I've looked up Plan/Plana on mapy.cz and though you can drill down to house numbers on the modern map, there is no indication of where the districts were in the 19th century -- or even if house numbers today would correspond to those over 100 years ago. As an example, in 1875 one individual died at house 68-I and then a few years later another close family member died at 34-II. It does not seem that there were more than two Roman numbered districts in Plan but I might have missed others in the registers. Lacking the availability of an actual map, I'd love to know where the dividing lines for the districts in the town fell during that timeframe. It's a pretty granular question I know, but I'd appreciate any help or suggestions listers can offer! Thanks! Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.originsgenealogy.org Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org

Gerold, I, too, have Lentz in my family--also the Johannes Lentz born 1671. He married Walburga Alba, 12 Nov 1690 in Rauschenbach. My main line is Mathes Albl married to Apolonia Lentz, married 25 Nov 1674, I believe, in Paslas. They are my 6th great grandparents. I have an Eva Rosina Lentz, but she was born in 8 Mar 1737, not like your Eva Rosina born in 1757. She is my 3rd great grand aunt, married to Joannes Josephus Utschick (Utschig); her parents are Balthasar Lentz and Barbara Anna Fischbach--she born in Podhornmuhle. My main line on my father's side are the Utschig family from Marienbad and Einsiedl. They immigrated to the U.S. in 1853 to New York. Also, the names of Schicker, Löw, Zeidler, Pichl, Clement, Diety, Saitz, Albl Wahra, Pimpl and several others. If any of these names fit in with your family, I'd love to hear from you. I have some info on the Lentz/Lenz, Fischbach, and related families which I'm happy to share if you need any. I've been using actapublic to do research which has been a wonderful tool. (I'd been to Pilsen to the Archives in 1993 and 1999 to do research before. So glad I can stay home and still look in the Church books.) Mary --- On Sat, 6/30/12, Gerold POKORNY <gpokorny@cox.net> wrote: > From: Gerold POKORNY <gpokorny@cox.net> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, June 30, 2012, 9:03 PM > Hi Robin, > I read your email regarding your ancestors from the > "Egerland" with great > interest. Both my wife Ilse and I have ancestral lines from > that area. > Moreover, Ilse has both a Lenz line and a Fischbach line > from there (parish > of Einsiedl/Mnichov). Her ggg-grandmother Eva Rosina Lenz > was born in 1757 > in Kschiha/Cihana and that line goes back to a Johannes Lenz > born in 1671 in > Rauschenbach/Sitiny. These villages 2 to 3 miles from Rojau. > Her > ggggg-grandmother Anna Barbara was born in 1710 in > Lusading/Sluzetin and > that line goes back to a Gabriel Fischbach who died in 1665 > in Lusading at > the age of 60. Lusading is a very small village (primarily a > mill called > Podhornmuehle). > My ancestral lines from that area come primarily from the > parishes of > Sangerberg/Prameny and Petschau/Becov about 5 to 6 miles > north of Rojau. > However, the names of Lenz and Fischbach do not show up > among them. > Do you happen to have the email address of the > Ortsbetreuerin Hilda Hain? If > you do, please send it to me. > By the way, both my and my wife's family were among those > who got evicted in > 1945/46 from Czechoslovakia (to Austria). From there we > immigrated to the > States in the Fifties. Since the Iron Curtain fell we have > been back in the > Czech Republic several times (including the area around > Marienbad/Marianske > Lazne and our hometown of Krummau/Cesky Krumlov. > Good luck in your search. > Gerold Pokorny

Thank you for your message. You are absolutely correct - and I will, of course, follow Aida's suggestion and guidance! However, mine is not strictly a genealogical search, and I do not need grandparents and their siblings. I need to zero in on this particular family group. Across the world it is taken as a truism that as a result of the Benes Decrees, the Sudeten Germans have no way of claiming back that which belonged to them before the 1946/1947 expulsions. This is one of the "exceptions which prove the rule". In some cases ex-Sudeten Germans DO have the right to claim their inheritance. I was hoping to find some direct relatives of "my Fickert" group on this board. It is them that I am seeking, and they will not be listed in the Plsen archives. Be well David At 08:44 02/07/2012, you wrote: >David, I have a Fickert line in my tree as well (possibly more than one, I >just don't have the notes in front of me) in Hirschenstand (Jeleni) and >Neuhaus (Chaloupky), and as both villages are within a few miles of >Trinksaifen, we just might be related somewhere. I strongly agree with >Aida's suggestion that you check the Pilsen Archives because I found about >200 years of family info all in the parish records, and it's made even >easier by the fact that in birth records, the priest usually put the dates >of birth and marriage of the parents along with the eventual date of death >for the birth record's subject. That way you get two generations for the >price of one and you have much more precise information to search back to >the next generation. Hope that helps! > >Anna > >On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:00 AM, <german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen (David Lewin) > > 2. Re: Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen (Aida Kraus) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:54:36 +0100 > > From: David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen > > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: <889767.57460.qm@smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > > > Many thanks for your message. I will immediately > > follow the links you have given me. > > > > English is, of course much easier for me. > > > > May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? > > > > Can you possibly guide me please? > > > > Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? > > > > In particular:: > > 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? > > > > 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? > > > > 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born > > on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, > > Pfarrei Neudek ? that is what I want to establish) > > > > The family tree looks as follows: > > > > 1. FICKERT-4 > > sp: UNKNOWN > > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > > | sp: W1-13 > > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) > > | sp: W2-14 > > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > > sp: UNKNOWN > > > > Do you recognize any of this? > > > > Thanks for any guidance > > > > David Lewin, London > > davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:22:20 -0700 > > From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen > > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > > Message-ID: > > <CAPY_z9wirYzyWFC+19dy-sg=kr-uh8e9+L= > > a02c7WMHX3eBF0A@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > > > Most of your questions you will resolve by entering the links we have given > > you in our earlier mail, because you should find the German records of that > > time in the Pilsen (Plzen) archives. On the birth record the name of the > > parents are stated and you can go back then another generation. People did > > not move as much then, as they do now, and quite possibly you can find a > > whole string of ancestors in the Register of Trinksaifen which you can find > > under the Czech name of "Rudn?, okres Nejdek" > > in the registers. > > Aida > > > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:54 AM, David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com > > >wrote: > > > > > Many thanks for your message. I will immediately > > > follow the links you have given me. > > > > > > English is, of course much easier for me. > > > > > > May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? > > > > > > Can you possibly guide me please? > > > > > > Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? > > > > > > In particular:: > > > 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? > > > > > > 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? > > > > > > 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born > > > on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, > > > Pfarrei Neudek ? that is what I want to establish) > > > > > > The family tree looks as follows: > > > > > > 1. FICKERT-4 > > > sp: UNKNOWN > > > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > > > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > > > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > > > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > > > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > > > | sp: W1-13 > > > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) > > > | sp: W2-14 > > > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > > > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > > > sp: UNKNOWN > > > > > > Do you recognize any of this? > > > > > > Thanks for any guidance > > > > > > David Lewin, London > > > davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > > of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 100 > > *********************************************** > > >German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------- Search and Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there". We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic. See our Web pages at http://remember.org/unite

David, I have a Fickert line in my tree as well (possibly more than one, I just don't have the notes in front of me) in Hirschenstand (Jeleni) and Neuhaus (Chaloupky), and as both villages are within a few miles of Trinksaifen, we just might be related somewhere. I strongly agree with Aida's suggestion that you check the Pilsen Archives because I found about 200 years of family info all in the parish records, and it's made even easier by the fact that in birth records, the priest usually put the dates of birth and marriage of the parents along with the eventual date of death for the birth record's subject. That way you get two generations for the price of one and you have much more precise information to search back to the next generation. Hope that helps! Anna On Mon, Jul 2, 2012 at 3:00 AM, <german-bohemian-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen (David Lewin) > 2. Re: Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen (Aida Kraus) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 01 Jul 2012 15:54:36 +0100 > From: David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <889767.57460.qm@smtp820.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed > > Many thanks for your message. I will immediately > follow the links you have given me. > > English is, of course much easier for me. > > May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? > > Can you possibly guide me please? > > Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? > > In particular:: > 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? > > 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? > > 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born > on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, > Pfarrei Neudek ? that is what I want to establish) > > The family tree looks as follows: > > 1. FICKERT-4 > sp: UNKNOWN > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > | sp: W1-13 > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) > | sp: W2-14 > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > sp: UNKNOWN > > Do you recognize any of this? > > Thanks for any guidance > > David Lewin, London > davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 1 Jul 2012 08:22:20 -0700 > From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Familie FICKERT in Trinksaifen > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <CAPY_z9wirYzyWFC+19dy-sg=kr-uh8e9+L= > a02c7WMHX3eBF0A@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Most of your questions you will resolve by entering the links we have given > you in our earlier mail, because you should find the German records of that > time in the Pilsen (Plzen) archives. On the birth record the name of the > parents are stated and you can go back then another generation. People did > not move as much then, as they do now, and quite possibly you can find a > whole string of ancestors in the Register of Trinksaifen which you can find > under the Czech name of "Rudn?, okres Nejdek" > in the registers. > Aida > > On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:54 AM, David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com > >wrote: > > > Many thanks for your message. I will immediately > > follow the links you have given me. > > > > English is, of course much easier for me. > > > > May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? > > > > Can you possibly guide me please? > > > > Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? > > > > In particular:: > > 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? > > > > 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? > > > > 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born > > on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, > > Pfarrei Neudek ? that is what I want to establish) > > > > The family tree looks as follows: > > > > 1. FICKERT-4 > > sp: UNKNOWN > > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > > | sp: W1-13 > > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) > > | sp: W2-14 > > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > > sp: UNKNOWN > > > > Do you recognize any of this? > > > > Thanks for any guidance > > > > David Lewin, London > > davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN list administrator, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the GERMAN-BOHEMIAN mailing list, send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 100 > *********************************************** >

Many thanks for your message. I will immediately follow the links you have given me. English is, of course much easier for me. May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? Can you possibly guide me please? Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? In particular:: 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, Pfarrei Neudek – that is what I want to establish) The family tree looks as follows: 1. FICKERT-4 sp: UNKNOWN |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 | sp: W1-13 | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) | sp: W2-14 | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 sp: UNKNOWN Do you recognize any of this? Thanks for any guidance David Lewin, London davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com

Most of your questions you will resolve by entering the links we have given you in our earlier mail, because you should find the German records of that time in the Pilsen (Plzen) archives. On the birth record the name of the parents are stated and you can go back then another generation. People did not move as much then, as they do now, and quite possibly you can find a whole string of ancestors in the Register of Trinksaifen which you can find under the Czech name of "Rudné, okres Nejdek" in the registers. Aida On Sun, Jul 1, 2012 at 7:54 AM, David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com>wrote: > Many thanks for your message. I will immediately > follow the links you have given me. > > English is, of course much easier for me. > > May I therefore repeat my enquiry in English ? > > Can you possibly guide me please? > > Where can I learn about the FICKERT family? > > In particular:: > 1. when and where did Rudolf FICKERT, the brother of der Anthonia, die? > > 2. Who was the wife of Rudolf FICKERT? > > 3. Where was Rudi FICKERT, the son of Rudolf born > on 15. June 1940? (possibly in Trinksaifen, > Pfarrei Neudek – that is what I want to establish) > > The family tree looks as follows: > > 1. FICKERT-4 > sp: UNKNOWN > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > | sp: W1-13 > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b. 15 June 1940) > | sp: W2-14 > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > sp: UNKNOWN > > Do you recognize any of this? > > Thanks for any guidance > > David Lewin, London > davidlewin [at] btinternet [dot] com > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Robin, I read your email regarding your ancestors from the "Egerland" with great interest. Both my wife Ilse and I have ancestral lines from that area. Moreover, Ilse has both a Lenz line and a Fischbach line from there (parish of Einsiedl/Mnichov). Her ggg-grandmother Eva Rosina Lenz was born in 1757 in Kschiha/Cihana and that line goes back to a Johannes Lenz born in 1671 in Rauschenbach/Sitiny. These villages 2 to 3 miles from Rojau. Her ggggg-grandmother Anna Barbara was born in 1710 in Lusading/Sluzetin and that line goes back to a Gabriel Fischbach who died in 1665 in Lusading at the age of 60. Lusading is a very small village (primarily a mill called Podhornmuehle). My ancestral lines from that area come primarily from the parishes of Sangerberg/Prameny and Petschau/Becov about 5 to 6 miles north of Rojau. However, the names of Lenz and Fischbach do not show up among them. Do you happen to have the email address of the Ortsbetreuerin Hilda Hain? If you do, please send it to me. By the way, both my and my wife's family were among those who got evicted in 1945/46 from Czechoslovakia (to Austria). From there we immigrated to the States in the Fifties. Since the Iron Curtain fell we have been back in the Czech Republic several times (including the area around Marienbad/Marianske Lazne and our hometown of Krummau/Cesky Krumlov. Good luck in your search. Gerold Pokorny Original Message----- From: german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:german-bohemian-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Robin Rainford Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2012 12:38 AM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! I just read your request for articles. I have not been involved yet with the organization but my home is in St Paul, MN and I'm living in Prague this summer. Last weekend I discovered my 'cousins' at a reunion of people born in Royau and Einsiedl in Bohemia, now the Czech Republic. They gather from all over to speak their unique dialect and greet old friends and neighbors from this diminishing group. (photo attached) My ancestors immigrated to the U.S. in 1845, long before the eviction of the Sudetenland. Still, they greeted me like a lost countryman and taught me to refer to my 3x Great Grandmother Anna Lenz as 'Groβmutter.' We discovered that I share Fischbach ancestors with the Ortsbetreuerin Hilda Hain. Following the reunion in Dillenburg, Germany, I had arranged to spend the night in a pension at the village of my Groβmutter which is now Rajov, CZ. Her family house was one of several burned in WWII but many buildings still remain. My new/old family members are sending photos of her house prior to the war and copies of records that may be helpful. It was a wonderful experience of welcome and generous inclusion in this group. Perhaps other German/Bohemian Heritage members have roots in the area near Marienbad/Marianske Lanzne. Robin Rainford German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

What a wonderful experience! How did you meet up with this reunion? Did you know of it before going to Prague or discover it after you arrived? Thank you for sharing this with us. It gives some of us hope. Jane Teague On Jun 30, 2012, at 2:37 AM, "Robin Rainford" <robinrainford@gmail.com> wrote: > I just read your request for articles. I have not been involved yet with > the organization but my home is in St Paul, MN and I'm living in Prague this > summer. Last weekend I discovered my 'cousins' at a reunion of people born > in Royau and Einsiedl in Bohemia, now the Czech Republic. They gather from > all over to speak their unique dialect and greet old friends and neighbors > from this diminishing group. (photo attached) My ancestors immigrated to > the U.S. in 1845, long before the eviction of the Sudetenland. Still, they > greeted me like a lost countryman and taught me to refer to my 3x Great > Grandmother Anna Lenz as 'Groβmutter.' We discovered that I share Fischbach > ancestors with the Ortsbetreuerin Hilda Hain. > > > > Following the reunion in Dillenburg, Germany, I had arranged to spend the > night in a pension at the village of my Groβmutter which is now Rajov, CZ. > Her family house was one of several burned in WWII but many buildings still > remain. My new/old family members are sending photos of her house prior to > the war and copies of records that may be helpful. It was a wonderful > experience of welcome and generous inclusion in this group. Perhaps other > German/Bohemian Heritage members have roots in the area near > Marienbad/Marianske Lanzne. > > > > > > Robin Rainford > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I sent it to you the attachment already! But here it is again, in case you did not open the attachment. It also has a photo. You wrote "photo of my favorite park" but nothing was enclosed. Aida On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 8:19 AM, Robert Paulson <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> wrote: > Aida, > Thank you very much. Send the translation along when you get time. > Still lots of rain!! > Photo of my favorite park! > Bob > On Jun 27, 2012, at 11:17 PM, Aida Kraus wrote: > > > Bob, I got something for you. I translated a flyer about the Rudofsky > > Villa at Bischofteinitz. It is enclosed. > > Ulli and I are very good friends and especially since Frank Soural passed > > away, we have been collaborating. He is not very active on our list, > > because in his retirement he is building miniature model ships which they > > are trading world wide. > > Aida > > > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Robert Paulson <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> > wrote: > > > >> Dear List Members, > >> A few days ago I posted a message calling for articles for the GBHS > >> newsletter the Heimatbrief. > >> I had no response to my call…. > >> As the editor, I am having a very difficult time finding material of > >> interest to put in your Heimatbrief! > >> I need you help! > >>> From my own research findings, I would have enough material for another > >> issue or > >> two of the Heimatbrief, but after that I am not so sure. > >> Over the years many of you, particularly Aida Kraus and Karen Hobbs, > have > >> submitted articles for > >> the Newsletter. Aida and Karen have been godsends for us with many, many > >> fine submissions! > >> I have been amazed at the number of you that have indicated that you > once > >> lived in the "homeland". > >> We, so much, would like to hear your stories of life there!! > >> Those of you who are first or second generation descendants of > >> German-Bohemian immigrants, > >> I am sure, you have stories from you parents and grandparents about life > >> in the "old country" or about > >> their experiences coming to the U.S. We would also like to hear your > >> stories!! > >> Will you helps us ? > >> Thank you! > >> Bob Paulson > >> Heimatbrief Editor > >> rpaulgb@yahoo.com > >> > >> > >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I just read your request for articles. I have not been involved yet with the organization but my home is in St Paul, MN and I'm living in Prague this summer. Last weekend I discovered my 'cousins' at a reunion of people born in Royau and Einsiedl in Bohemia, now the Czech Republic. They gather from all over to speak their unique dialect and greet old friends and neighbors from this diminishing group. (photo attached) My ancestors immigrated to the U.S. in 1845, long before the eviction of the Sudetenland. Still, they greeted me like a lost countryman and taught me to refer to my 3x Great Grandmother Anna Lenz as 'Groβmutter.' We discovered that I share Fischbach ancestors with the Ortsbetreuerin Hilda Hain. Following the reunion in Dillenburg, Germany, I had arranged to spend the night in a pension at the village of my Groβmutter which is now Rajov, CZ. Her family house was one of several burned in WWII but many buildings still remain. My new/old family members are sending photos of her house prior to the war and copies of records that may be helpful. It was a wonderful experience of welcome and generous inclusion in this group. Perhaps other German/Bohemian Heritage members have roots in the area near Marienbad/Marianske Lanzne. Robin Rainford

Kann ich hier bitte einen Rat bekommen? Wo kann ich weiteres ueber die FICKERT-familie lernen? Insbesondere: 1. wann und wo ist Rudolf FICKERT, der Bruder der Anthonia, gestorben? 2. Wer was die Frau von Rudolf FICKERT? 3. Wo wurde deren Sohn Rudi FICKERT am 15. Juni 1940 geboren? (evtl. in Trinksaifen, Pfarrei Neudek - das will ich festlegen ) Die Familiengruppe siht wie folgt aus: 1. FICKERT-4 sp: UNKNOWN |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 | sp: W1-13 | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b.1940) | sp: W2-14 | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 sp: UNKNOWN Mit Dank David Lewin London -------- Search and Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out there". We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in the Czech Republic. See our Web pages at http://remember.org/unite

Dear Mr. Lewin, I have to explain to you that this rootsweb-site is generated in the United States and our List corresponds in the English language; but we have German readers who might contact you. Trinksaifen is a mining town near Neudek in den Egerland on the foot of the Erzgebirge (now Kruzne hory) and the Czech name of Trinksaifen is Rudne. Neudek had a population of 1481 in 1930 of which 1481 were Germans. in 1947, after the expulsion of Germans there were only 124 people left. The ending of "seifen" or "ofen" refers to the smelters northeast of Neudek. The mining consisted of washing Zinn from the soil Trinksaifen was mentioned the first time in 1556 when Count of Schlick mined iron ore. Trinksaifen had its own church and the church records go back to 1784. If you click on the blue links below you will get the inventory of church records kept at the archive at Plzen (Pilsen). You can enter the archives from your computer at http://actapublica.eu/ where there are instruction in the German language. Hoping that this will help you. Aida Kraus TRANSLATION FOR OUR GERMAN READERS: Rootsweb wird von Amerika aus unterhalten und die Liste korrespondiert in der Englischen Sprache. Wir haben jedoch auch Deutsche Besucher, welche eventuell mit Ihnen in Verbindung treten werden. Trinksaifen ist bei Neudek am Fusse des Erzgebirges (es war ein Ort des Bergbaus), der jetzige tschechische Name ist Rudne. *rinksaifen*, č. jetzt: Rudné Dorf-Gemeinde, Bez. und GBez. Neudek; 1481 Ew. (1463d.) (im Jahr 1930: 1399 Ew., 1939: 1278 Ew., 1947: 124 Ew.); P., n.E. Hochofen oder Eibenberg. - *Zu den Bergbau-Namen sind auch die Ortsnamen und Familiennamen auf -seifen zu zählen ... Seifen und Streitseifen bei Platten, Trinkseifen nordwestlich von Neudek. Bei Neudek wurde Zinn durch Schwemmen gewonnen. Trinksaifen wird erstmals im Neudeker Bergbuch der Grafen Schlick 1556 erwähnt. Hochofen ist nach den beiden Hochöfen benannt, die die Grafen Schlick hier im 16. Jh. betrieben (Eisenverhüttung).* *Pfarrbezirk Trinksaifen* (seit 1784 eigene Pfarrei, vorher bei Neudek), siehe: Kirchenbuchverzeichnis des Pfarrbezirks Trinksaifen<http://www.genealogy.net/reg/SUD/kb/trinksaifen.html>, mit Pfarrorten: Trinksaifen, Hochofen. *Pfarrbezirk Trinksaifen* (seit 1784 eigene Pfarrei, vorher bei Neudek), siehe: Kirchenbuchverzeichnis des Pfarrbezirks Trinksaifen<http://www.genealogy.net/reg/SUD/kb/trinksaifen.html>, mit Pfarrorten: Trinksaifen, Hochofen. Wenn Sie die blaue Linie anklicken, bekommen Sie die Information zu den Kirchenregistern, die in dem Archiv von Pilsen gelagert sind. Sie können die Archive direkt von ihrem Computer aus erreichen indem Sie an diesem Link klicken: http://actapublica.eu/ wo Sie Anweisungen in der deutschen Sprache finden können. Ich hoffe, dass Ihnen diese Nachricht hilft. Aida Kraus ** On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 11:42 PM, David Lewin <davidlewin@btinternet.com>wrote: > Kann ich hier bitte einen Rat bekommen? > > Wo kann ich weiteres ueber die FICKERT-familie lernen? > > Insbesondere: > 1. wann und wo ist Rudolf FICKERT, der Bruder der Anthonia, gestorben? > > 2. Wer was die Frau von Rudolf FICKERT? > > 3. Wo wurde deren Sohn Rudi FICKERT am 15. Juni 1940 > geboren? (evtl. in Trinksaifen, Pfarrei Neudek - das will ich festlegen ) > > Die Familiengruppe siht wie folgt aus: > > 1. FICKERT-4 > sp: UNKNOWN > |-2. Antonia FICKERT-3 > |-2. Franz FICKERT-5 > |-2. Lorie FICKERT-6 > |-2. Josef FICKERT-7 > |-2. Rudolf FICKERT-8 > | sp: W1-13 > | |-3. Rudi FICKERT-9 (b.1940) > | sp: W2-14 > | +-3. S2 FICKERT-15 > +-2. Karl FICKERT-10 > sp: UNKNOWN > > Mit Dank > > David Lewin > London > -------- > Search and Unite attempt to help locate people who, despite the > passage of so many years since World War II, may still exist "out > there". We also assist in the process of re-possession of property in > the Czech Republic. See our Web pages at http://remember.org/unite > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Mr. Schwarz, We would be very happy to receive your "memories" for our Heimatbrief. As Aida Krause has already mentioned our newsletter is in English and past issues are available on line on our webpage: www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs Looking forward to your articles. Regards, Bob Paulson Heimatbrief Editor On Jun 28, 2012, at 5:01 PM, Herbert Schwarz wrote: > Mr.Paulson, I noted your comments with interest and I have a number of > memories I Could submit, but it would be easier for me to do it in English, > if possible. Herbert Schwarz,Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Paulson" <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:46 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! > > > Dear List Members, > A few days ago I posted a message calling for articles for the GBHS > newsletter the Heimatbrief. > I had no response to my call…. > As the editor, I am having a very difficult time finding material of > interest to put in your Heimatbrief! > I need you help! >> From my own research findings, I would have enough material for another >> issue or > two of the Heimatbrief, but after that I am not so sure. > Over the years many of you, particularly Aida Kraus and Karen Hobbs, have > submitted articles for > the Newsletter. Aida and Karen have been godsends for us with many, many > fine submissions! > I have been amazed at the number of you that have indicated that you once > lived in the "homeland". > We, so much, would like to hear your stories of life there!! > Those of you who are first or second generation descendants of > German-Bohemian immigrants, > I am sure, you have stories from you parents and grandparents about life in > the "old country" or about > their experiences coming to the U.S. We would also like to hear your > stories!! > Will you helps us ? > Thank you! > Bob Paulson > Heimatbrief Editor > rpaulgb@yahoo.com > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mr.Paulson, I noted your comments with interest and I have a number of memories I Could submit, but it would be easier for me to do it in English, if possible. Herbert Schwarz,Ontario,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Paulson" <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! Dear List Members, A few days ago I posted a message calling for articles for the GBHS newsletter the Heimatbrief. I had no response to my call…. As the editor, I am having a very difficult time finding material of interest to put in your Heimatbrief! I need you help! >From my own research findings, I would have enough material for another >issue or two of the Heimatbrief, but after that I am not so sure. Over the years many of you, particularly Aida Kraus and Karen Hobbs, have submitted articles for the Newsletter. Aida and Karen have been godsends for us with many, many fine submissions! I have been amazed at the number of you that have indicated that you once lived in the "homeland". We, so much, would like to hear your stories of life there!! Those of you who are first or second generation descendants of German-Bohemian immigrants, I am sure, you have stories from you parents and grandparents about life in the "old country" or about their experiences coming to the U.S. We would also like to hear your stories!! Will you helps us ? Thank you! Bob Paulson Heimatbrief Editor rpaulgb@yahoo.com German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Documents show that Pfraumberg in 1331 was already a Market town and received somekind of rights from King Johan,this was further confirmed by Emperor Charls IV in 1344. Herb Schwarz, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marco Scavo" <marco.scavo@comcast.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Location question Brandt, "When did the jurisdictions of Pfraumberg and Tachau come into being?" Pfaumberg was a well established town and independent of the castle by late Medieval times. According to Wikipedia, the "Tachov district" is mentioned as early as 1126. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C5%99imda http://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Okres_Tachov "Would I use them in this citation? I want to cite the location as it existed in 1865." You're probably creating a marriage fact/event in Rootsmagic, so you'll include the location as part of the fact, not the citation. Some genealogists record the place name in the fact exactly as its written in the source document or as implied by the source material. In this case, unless otherwise stated, the parish that created the marriage register is the presumed location. Some genealogists further interpret that place information by more fully qualifying the parish in the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church at the time of the event. (Before the dawn of civil records, this was often the only relevant jurisdiction.) Others translate the place information to the political location that existed at the time, even if it doesn't relate to the source material. The former place information is relevant to the researcher while the latter is possibly easier to understand by someone else who is looking at the family tree. I make note of both myself as well as the contemporary location. They're all meaningful. The Parish of Rozvadov today is in the Diocese of Pilsen in the Czech ecclesiastical province. The Diocese of Pilsen was formed in 1993, so who knows what it was in 1865? My guess is Roßhaupt was part of the *former* Diocese of Budweis as established in 1785 or perhaps part of the former Archdiocese of Prague. It's an academic point, however, since actapublica.eu presents the registers at the parish level without regard for the historical jurisdictions. I could be mistaken, but I believe that Roßhaupt in 1865 was politically part of the Tachau District of the Pilsen Region of the Kingdom of Bohemia (Königreich Böhmen) in the Austrian Empire (Kaiserthum Oesterreich). The empire didn't become the Austro-Hungarian Empire until 1867. In your source "citation", which is only concerned with the source material, you should cite the Catholic parish. Here is an example of how the source information might appear: Roman Catholic Church (Roßhaupt Parish), Book 18: Marriages (1848-1930), Img. 15. Marriage Registration: Johann Zitzmann + Theresia Dörfler, 17 Oct 1865; digital images, Státní oblastní archiv v Plzni. German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Herbert click on the Heimatbrief index September 2010, you will find an article I wrote about my hometown Karlsbad. You can see the format which will help you to write your own story. Aida http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/newsletter.html On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:23 PM, Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> wrote: > Herbert, the Heimatbrief is in English and you should subscribe to it, > because there is valuable information in these issues that never come up on > the list. Go to this site to see some of the older issues. Click on this > and then on the blue underlined issues. We all should support this > endeavor, there are many helpful articles in these past issues. > Aida > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/newsletter.html > > > > On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Herbert Schwarz <schwarzs@ebtech.net>wrote: > >> Mr.Paulson, I noted your comments with interest and I have a number of >> memories I Could submit, but it would be easier for me to do it in >> English, >> if possible. Herbert Schwarz,Ontario,Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert Paulson" <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:46 PM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! >> >> >> Dear List Members, >> A few days ago I posted a message calling for articles for the GBHS >> newsletter the Heimatbrief. >> I had no response to my call…. >> As the editor, I am having a very difficult time finding material of >> interest to put in your Heimatbrief! >> I need you help! >> >From my own research findings, I would have enough material for another >> >issue or >> two of the Heimatbrief, but after that I am not so sure. >> Over the years many of you, particularly Aida Kraus and Karen Hobbs, have >> submitted articles for >> the Newsletter. Aida and Karen have been godsends for us with many, many >> fine submissions! >> I have been amazed at the number of you that have indicated that you once >> lived in the "homeland". >> We, so much, would like to hear your stories of life there!! >> Those of you who are first or second generation descendants of >> German-Bohemian immigrants, >> I am sure, you have stories from you parents and grandparents about life >> in >> the "old country" or about >> their experiences coming to the U.S. We would also like to hear your >> stories!! >> Will you helps us ? >> Thank you! >> Bob Paulson >> Heimatbrief Editor >> rpaulgb@yahoo.com >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Herbert, the Heimatbrief is in English and you should subscribe to it, because there is valuable information in these issues that never come up on the list. Go to this site to see some of the older issues. Click on this and then on the blue underlined issues. We all should support this endeavor, there are many helpful articles in these past issues. Aida http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~gbhs/newsletter/newsletter.html On Thu, Jun 28, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Herbert Schwarz <schwarzs@ebtech.net>wrote: > Mr.Paulson, I noted your comments with interest and I have a number of > memories I Could submit, but it would be easier for me to do it in English, > if possible. Herbert Schwarz,Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Paulson" <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:46 PM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] The Heimatbrief Needs You! > > > Dear List Members, > A few days ago I posted a message calling for articles for the GBHS > newsletter the Heimatbrief. > I had no response to my call…. > As the editor, I am having a very difficult time finding material of > interest to put in your Heimatbrief! > I need you help! > >From my own research findings, I would have enough material for another > >issue or > two of the Heimatbrief, but after that I am not so sure. > Over the years many of you, particularly Aida Kraus and Karen Hobbs, have > submitted articles for > the Newsletter. Aida and Karen have been godsends for us with many, many > fine submissions! > I have been amazed at the number of you that have indicated that you once > lived in the "homeland". > We, so much, would like to hear your stories of life there!! > Those of you who are first or second generation descendants of > German-Bohemian immigrants, > I am sure, you have stories from you parents and grandparents about life in > the "old country" or about > their experiences coming to the U.S. We would also like to hear your > stories!! > Will you helps us ? > Thank you! > Bob Paulson > Heimatbrief Editor > rpaulgb@yahoo.com > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >