Duane, Genealogy and family history research for many includes more than the collection of names and dates. _______ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Duane/Rita Lamers" <kglamers@yahoo.com> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions All, Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes?
/ The Austrians had a concentration camp and final solution plan during World War One: http://www.carpatho-rusyn.org/kr/taler.htm ________ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: Aida Kraus To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions Just came back home and I find reading your postings very interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was a German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated among others that "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an invention of the Nazi Regime. .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" never ever able to state OUR side of values? In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of humanity. Aida On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: Where have all the flowers gone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related _____ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Krupnak To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions Jack wrote in part: As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? ********** Mankind will never learn. One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. _______ Lavrentiy German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Mr. Lamers, I believe your comment was directed at me and I was not offended by it. In fact, I think my last comment was a bit afield and I apologize to you if you found it offensive. Jack Sent from my Credo cell phone -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions From: Duane/Rita Lamers <kglamers@yahoo.com> To: "german-bohemian@rootsweb.com" <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> CC: Mr. Paulson, thanks for informing us of the scope of this mailing list. My presumptions were wrong about it. I wish to offend nobody, for the list has been helpful to me at times. Duane Lamers From: Robert Paulson <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions All, This mailing list was established by the German-Bohemian Heritage Society for meaningful discussions on all aspects of German-Bohemian history and culture not merely genealogy. We all have to remember, however, that our posts go to all list-members. Sometimes the discussions do wander from the subject but I would hate to stifle this interesting site. Bob Paulson GBHS On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Dick Zimbrick wrote: > Amen! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane/Rita Lamers > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:32 PM > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > All, > > Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. > May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of > us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? > > From: Dr. Jack B. Schaffer <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> > To: lkrupnak@verizon.net; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or > want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution > continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to > account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that progress > is excruciatingly slow. > > Jack > > > Sent from my Credo cell phone > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > CC: > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible > things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Lavrentyi, while this activity existed, admission to it had wide ranging consequences for their families, and even after the war it was hushed up because you never knew who you had to deal with. What happened was this: People who lived in the Sudetenland and were granted those rarely issued passes to the Protectorate (which was a bonus, because from there we were able to get food not available within the German Reich borders) have helped as much as they could. In fact, our "fully stuffed" suitcases with shoes and clothing and items of necessities, were emptied into old decrepit looking shopping bags of the fabric kind which all people used then. By word of mouth we would let the recipient know that we would be walking along a busy stretch on a street at Prague (always different areas) and when looking into a shop window, we would set the bag down while the recipient, in tandem, would pick it up. At that time a quick message could be exchanged. We then would walk back in the other direction minus the bag that had been picked up. Messages were never written down, they were passed on by word of mouth. Everything was highly secret and people were extremely fearful and cowered during these years. So I guess that these underground activities remained underground and were lost as the older people died. At the beginning, when the German occupation started on 1. October 1938, in the Sudetenland, we had friends of my parents staying at our house waiting for the next leg of their journey out of the country. Then, the Gestapo got wind of it and we had unannounced searches almost every week. But all this did not spare us in any way later on, after the war. My mother and I were thrown out of our home in our bedclothes in the middle of the night because we were "Germans" and my father was never able to achieve the return of his factory, although 4 lawyers worked on it in 1945-6-7. When the Czechs voted for a Communist regime in 1948, we were deported as German Capitalists to farm work in the Czech interior. However, our family was (with the help of Czech friends) able to get out with one of the last transports to Germany. All I can say is that any anti-fascist "activity" was never organized and can only be found among the remaining survivors of the expulsion, like myself. But we survivors do not have the entire story either, because we were children then and the knowledge of this time has died with our parents, It was our parents, more so than we did, who suffered the impact on their lives. Aida On Sun, Jul 15, 2012 at 7:35 AM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net>wrote: > / > > I have always wanted to find writings about Volksdeutsche who joined > resistance groups, but never got around to do it. Anybody have some > citations? > > I do a lot of > Einwandererzentralstelle (EWZ) research at the US National Archives. In > some letters to the EWZ, I always hope to find information that some or > somebody had relatives who dearly loved their new land, that they were > in the military of their new nation to defend that nation against all > invaders and that living in Germany would be foreign to them. > > EWZ program: > > http://feefhs.org/journal/9/obee.pdf > > http://volga.niedermonjou.org:8000/EWZ.html > > > http://www.bundesarchiv.de/benutzung/sachbezug/personenbezogen_genealogie/00248/index.html.en > > http://www.volgagerman.net/Villages/Huck/BDC.pdf > > ______ > > Lavrentiy > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 15:53:51 +0200 From: Lutz Szemkus <Lutz.Szemkus@t-online.de> Subject: [OWP] Ethnic-Cleansing-in-Twentieth-Century-Europe To: gut-quednau@yahoogroups.com, OW-Preussen-L <ow-preussen-l@genealogy.net>, ow-preussen@yahoogroups.com Message-ID: <5000286F.4060507@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed http://www.scribd.com/doc/67758339/Ethnic-Cleansing-in-Twentieth-Century-Europe LS
Mr. Paulson, thanks for informing us of the scope of this mailing list. My presumptions were wrong about it. I wish to offend nobody, for the list has been helpful to me at times. Duane Lamers From: Robert Paulson <rpaulgb@yahoo.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions All, This mailing list was established by the German-Bohemian Heritage Society for meaningful discussions on all aspects of German-Bohemian history and culture not merely genealogy. We all have to remember, however, that our posts go to all list-members. Sometimes the discussions do wander from the subject but I would hate to stifle this interesting site. Bob Paulson GBHS On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Dick Zimbrick wrote: > Amen! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane/Rita Lamers > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:32 PM > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > All, > > Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. > May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of > us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? > > From: Dr. Jack B. Schaffer <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> > To: lkrupnak@verizon.net; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or > want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution > continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to > account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that progress > is excruciatingly slow. > > Jack > > > Sent from my Credo cell phone > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > CC: > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible > things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Thank you, Bob. You are one of the better administrators of our mailing lists. I appreciate how this one is run with interest in all things pertaining to genealogy, culture, geography, etc. of our research interests. Elaine The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of none. --Thomas Carlyle Hello Robert On Saturday, July 14, 2012, you wrote > All, > This mailing list was established by the > German-Bohemian Heritage Society for meaningful discussions > on all aspects of German-Bohemian history and > culture not merely genealogy. > We all have to remember, however, that our > posts go to all list-members. > Sometimes the discussions do wander from the > subject but I would hate to > stifle this interesting site. > Bob Paulson > GBHS > > On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Dick Zimbrick wrote: >> Amen! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Duane/Rita Lamers >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:32 PM >> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> All, >> >> Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. >> May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of >> us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? >> >
No, I thoroughly enjoy cultural discussions of the areas we are interested in. People should not sign onto mailing lists who do not want to deal with mail. Elaine We didn't lose the game; we just ran out of time. --Vince Lombardi Hello Duane/Rita On Saturday, July 14, 2012, you wrote > All, > > Large volume of emails not pertinent to > specific genealogy questions. May I suggest an > exchange of emails by the participants so that > the rest of us do not have to sort through so > much "stuff" in the inboxes?
All, This mailing list was established by the German-Bohemian Heritage Society for meaningful discussions on all aspects of German-Bohemian history and culture not merely genealogy. We all have to remember, however, that our posts go to all list-members. Sometimes the discussions do wander from the subject but I would hate to stifle this interesting site. Bob Paulson GBHS On Jul 14, 2012, at 10:39 PM, Dick Zimbrick wrote: > Amen! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Duane/Rita Lamers > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:32 PM > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > All, > > Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. > May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of > us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? > > From: Dr. Jack B. Schaffer <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> > To: lkrupnak@verizon.net; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or > want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution > continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to > account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that progress > is excruciatingly slow. > > Jack > > > Sent from my Credo cell phone > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > CC: > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible > things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
/ God created Satan. http://www.angelfire.com/mi/dinosaurs/lucifer.html / ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dr. Jack B. Schaffer" <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> To: <lkrupnak@verizon.net>; <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, > or want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human > evolution continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal > and more held to account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me > it is just that progress is excruciatingly slow. > > Jack > > > Sent from my Credo cell phone > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > CC: > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat > horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never > changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Abraham Abraham, whose birth name was Abram, is the eponym of the Abrahamic religions, among which are Judaism, Christianity and Islam. Wikipedia Born: Ur Kasdim Died: Cave of the Patriarchs Children: Isaac, Ishmael, Midian, Jokshan, Shuah, Zimran, Medan, Ishbak Siblings: Haran, Nahor Parents: Edna, Terah FeedbackFeedback ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > / > > Family of Abraham: > > http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/History-Abraham.htm > > / > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:36 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > >> / >> >> Midianites: >> >> an Arabian tribe descended from Midian, a son of Abraham >> >> http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10804-midian-and-midianites >> >> >> What about God's cruelty against the Midianites? >> >> http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html >> >> >> http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/midianite.html >> >> >> >> Why were only the virgins left alive among the Midianites ... >> >> >> http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites >> >> a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. >> a.. The Bible's Most Hideous War Crime - Slate Magazine >> http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/blogging_the_bible/features/2006/the_complete_book_of_numbers/the_bibles_most_hideous_war_crime.html >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >>> Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: >>> ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a >>> people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever >>> suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the >>> east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] >>> Some scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as >>> the Bible does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] >>> >>> Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of >>> tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] >>> >>> >>> >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >>> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>>> / >>>> >>>> >>>> Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: >>>> >>>> http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Aida Kraus >>>> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>>> >>>> >>>> Just came back home and I find reading your postings very >>>> interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti >>>> Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, >>>> because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was >>>> a German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated >>>> among others that >>>> "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the >>>> sterilization of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of >>>> Germany." >>>> So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic >>>> expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an >>>> invention of the Nazi Regime. >>>> .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and >>>> politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this >>>> earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, >>>> regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and >>>> Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but >>>> the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially >>>> is to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So >>>> one seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate >>>> mongering? The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of >>>> the world" never ever able to state OUR side of values? >>>> In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded >>>> development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of >>>> humanity. >>>> Aida >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak >>>> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>>> >>>> Where have all the flowers gone: >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Lavrentiy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Laurence Krupnak >>>> >>>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Jack wrote in part: >>>> >>>> >>>> As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? >>>> >>>> ********** >>>> >>>> Mankind will never learn. >>>> >>>> One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat >>>> horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never >>>> changes his ways. >>>> >>>> _______ >>>> >>>> Lavrentiy >>>> >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >
/ Family of Abraham: http://catholic-resources.org/Bible/History-Abraham.htm / ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > / > > Midianites: > > an Arabian tribe descended from Midian, a son of Abraham > > http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10804-midian-and-midianites > > > What about God's cruelty against the Midianites? > > http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html > > > http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/midianite.html > > > > Why were only the virgins left alive among the Midianites ... > > > http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites > > a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. > a.. The Bible's Most Hideous War Crime - Slate Magazine > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/blogging_the_bible/features/2006/the_complete_book_of_numbers/the_bibles_most_hideous_war_crime.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > >> Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: >> ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a >> people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever >> suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the >> east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] >> Some scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as the >> Bible does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] >> >> Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of >> tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >>> / >>> >>> >>> Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: >>> >>> http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Aida Kraus >>> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> Just came back home and I find reading your postings very >>> interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti >>> Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, >>> because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was >>> a German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated >>> among others that >>> "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization >>> of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." >>> So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic >>> expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an >>> invention of the Nazi Regime. >>> .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and >>> politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this >>> earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, >>> regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and >>> Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but >>> the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is >>> to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one >>> seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? >>> The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" >>> never ever able to state OUR side of values? >>> In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded >>> development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of >>> humanity. >>> Aida >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak >>> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> Where have all the flowers gone: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Laurence Krupnak >>> >>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> >>> Jack wrote in part: >>> >>> >>> As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? >>> >>> ********** >>> >>> Mankind will never learn. >>> >>> One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat >>> horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never >>> changes his ways. >>> >>> _______ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >
/ "If you ask me (David Plotz) - and Moses didn't -- the Bible is willfully ignoring the obvious point. It was the Moabite women, not the Midianite women, who did the dreadful whoring that provoked God's rage and the plague. Going after the Midianites to punish a Moabite crime is as nonsensical as the United States invading Iraq to teach al-Qaida a lesson. (Oh, wait. We did that.)" Mankind never learns. ________ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > / > > Midianites: > > an Arabian tribe descended from Midian, a son of Abraham > > http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10804-midian-and-midianites > > > What about God's cruelty against the Midianites? > > http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html > > > http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/midianite.html > > > > Why were only the virgins left alive among the Midianites ... > > > http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites > > a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. > a.. The Bible's Most Hideous War Crime - Slate Magazine > http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/blogging_the_bible/features/2006/the_complete_book_of_numbers/the_bibles_most_hideous_war_crime.html > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > >> Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: >> ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a >> people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever >> suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the >> east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] >> Some >> scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as the >> Bible >> does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] >> >> Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of >> tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] >> >> >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> >> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >>> / >>> >>> >>> Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: >>> >>> http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Aida Kraus >>> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> Just came back home and I find reading your postings very >>> interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti >>> Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, >>> because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was >>> a >>> German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated >>> among others that >>> "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization >>> of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." >>> So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic >>> expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an >>> invention of the Nazi Regime. >>> .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and >>> politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this >>> earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, >>> regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and >>> Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but >>> the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is >>> to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one >>> seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? >>> The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" >>> never ever able to state OUR side of values? >>> In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded >>> development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of >>> humanity. >>> Aida >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak >>> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >>> >>> Where have all the flowers gone: >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Laurence Krupnak >>> >>> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >>> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM >>> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >>> >>> >>> >>> Jack wrote in part: >>> >>> >>> As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? >>> >>> ********** >>> >>> Mankind will never learn. >>> >>> One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat >>> horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never >>> changes his ways. >>> >>> _______ >>> >>> Lavrentiy >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >>> >>> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >>> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Amen! -----Original Message----- From: Duane/Rita Lamers Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:32 PM To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions All, Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? From: Dr. Jack B. Schaffer <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> To: lkrupnak@verizon.net; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that progress is excruciatingly slow. Jack Sent from my Credo cell phone -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com CC: Jack wrote in part: As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? ********** Mankind will never learn. One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. _______ Lavrentiy German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
/ Midianites: an Arabian tribe descended from Midian, a son of Abraham http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10804-midian-and-midianites What about God's cruelty against the Midianites? http://christianthinktank.com/midian.html http://www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/midianite.html Why were only the virgins left alive among the Midianites ... http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/why-were-only-virgins-left-alive-among-midianites a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. a.. The Bible's Most Hideous War Crime - Slate Magazine http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/blogging_the_bible/features/2006/the_complete_book_of_numbers/the_bibles_most_hideous_war_crime.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:29 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: > ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a > people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever > suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the > east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] Some > scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as the Bible > does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] > > Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of > tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > >> / >> >> >> Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: >> >> http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Aida Kraus >> To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >> Just came back home and I find reading your postings very >> interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti >> Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, >> because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was a >> German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated >> among others that >> "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization >> of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." >> So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic >> expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an >> invention of the Nazi Regime. >> .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and >> politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this >> earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, >> regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and >> Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but >> the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is >> to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one >> seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? >> The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" >> never ever able to state OUR side of values? >> In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded >> development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of >> humanity. >> Aida >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak >> <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: >> >> Where have all the flowers gone: >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related >> >> >> _____ >> >> Lavrentiy >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Laurence Krupnak >> >> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com >> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions >> >> >> >> Jack wrote in part: >> >> >> As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? >> >> ********** >> >> Mankind will never learn. >> >> One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat >> horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never >> changes his ways. >> >> _______ >> >> Lavrentiy >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >
All, Large volume of emails not pertinent to specific genealogy questions. May I suggest an exchange of emails by the participants so that the rest of us do not have to sort through so much "stuff" in the inboxes? From: Dr. Jack B. Schaffer <jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> To: lkrupnak@verizon.net; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:41 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that progress is excruciatingly slow. Jack Sent from my Credo cell phone -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com CC: Jack wrote in part: As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? ********** Mankind will never learn. One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. _______ Lavrentiy German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Midian (Hebrew: ????????), Madyan (Arabic: ?????), or Madiam (Greek: ??????, ?????????? for a Midianite) is a geographical place and a people mentioned in the Bible and in the Qur'an. William G. Dever suggests it was located in the "northwest Arabian Peninsula, on the east shore of the Gulf of Aqaba on the Red Sea (the "Hejaz") "[1] Some scholars believe it to be somewhere in or around Sudan[2] as the Bible does not make direct mention of its location.[3][4] Some scholars say it was not a geographical area but a league of tribes.[5] We are also told that Midian was a son of Abraham.[6] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@verizon.net> To: <german-bohemian@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > / > > > Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: > > http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Aida Kraus > To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > > Just came back home and I find reading your postings very > interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti > Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, > because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was a > German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated > among others that > "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization > of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." > So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic > expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an > invention of the Nazi Regime. > .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and > politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this > earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, > regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and > Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but > the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is > to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one > seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? > The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" > never ever able to state OUR side of values? > In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded > development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of humanity. > Aida > > > > On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak > <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: > > Where have all the flowers gone: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related > > > _____ > > Lavrentiy > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Laurence Krupnak > > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > > > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat > horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never > changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
/ Ethnic cleaning in the Bible: http://whatisitwithjesus.blogspot.com/2007/11/ethnic-cleansing-in-bible.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Aida Kraus To: Laurence Krupnak ; german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions Just came back home and I find reading your postings very interesting, because the Germanophobia seemed to have preceded Anti Semitism. And the following sentenceI found was a revelation, because we were lead to believe that the "final solution idea" was a German invention. But obviously it was not? Because it is stated among others that "In 1941, the book Germany Must Perish! advocated the sterilization of all Germans and the territorial dismemberment of Germany." So looking at the date and all the other Germanophobic expressions voiced long before then, it was obviously not even an invention of the Nazi Regime. .It seems that during hundreds of years such opinionated and politically motivated people made not only their own hell on this earth, but also for everyone else. I bet that the average citizen, regardless where he lived, England, Russia, Germany, France and Austria and everywhere around there wanted not more and no less but the same as his compatriot in another country. Which essentially is to make a living, raise their kids, and be left in peace. So one seems to ask then "and who is benefiting from such hate mongering? The manufacturers of weapons?" Were "we the people of the world" never ever able to state OUR side of values? In my humble and very unimportant opinion, the upgraded development of good diplomacy would be a gem in the crown of humanity. Aida On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 4:50 PM, Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> wrote: Where have all the flowers gone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXqTf8DU6a0&feature=related _____ Lavrentiy ----- Original Message ----- From: Laurence Krupnak To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions Jack wrote in part: As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? ********** Mankind will never learn. One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. _______ Lavrentiy German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I could not agree more, and I would add it takes commitment, sacrifice, and a willingness to expend.resources, all of which seem to be in very short supply these days, at least in our country. That part of our mutual experience makes it more difficult for me to be optimistic, at least in the short term. Jack Sent from my Credo cell phone -------- Original message -------- Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions From: Aida Kraus <draytonharbor@gmail.com> To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com CC: Dr. Schaffer, the process would be much faster, if the school systems would have standardized parameters, at least as far as social studies and the teachings of history are concerned. If a democratic process is to be achieved for equal human rights on a large scale, it must begin in schools and I mean within all of our school systems. But you are very correct, that requires enlightenment and time. Aida On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 5:41 PM, Dr. Jack B. Schaffer < jack_b_schaffer@yahoo.com> wrote: > I'm actually a bit more optimistic than that, Lavrentiy. I agree with, or > want to agree with, Teilhard de Chardin, who believed that human evolution > continues under God's guidance. I think we are less brutal and more held to > account than people were in the Middle Ages. For me it is just that > progress is excruciatingly slow. > > Jack > > > Sent from my Credo cell phone > > -------- Original message -------- > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Expulsion discussions > From: Laurence Krupnak <LKrupnak@verizon.net> > To: german-bohemian@rootsweb.com > CC: > > Jack wrote in part: > > > As the song by Pete Seeger goes, when Will they ever learn? > > ********** > > Mankind will never learn. > > One objective of studying history is to teach us to not repeat horrible > things. Studying history demonstrates that mankind never changes his ways. > > _______ > > Lavrentiy > > > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > German-Bohemian Heritage Society web site http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
/ What would have happened if the Volksdeutsche were not deported (expelled) to Germany? ______ Lavrentiy