I would like to locate old postcards and pictures of Bergstadt/Horni Mesto, Mahren. I have seen several websites with some listings. Thanks, Bill Thoendel Nebraska Researching: Thoendel/Thondel/Heinz -from Bergstadt and Reschen (Horni Mesto and Resov).

Thanks very much for the links. I have found the www.ihff.at/ link very informative. Do to poor hand writing, I was able to find my Grandfather's town just using the letters I could read. Excellent site. Regards, Ray Klapka

Please send these articles to my new address, which is: jumpbox@sbcglobal.net _____ From: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com [mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-D-request@rootsweb.com] Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:00 PM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-D@rootsweb.com Subject: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-D Digest V05 #255

Here's a couple others links that might be helpful: http://www.jewishgen.org/BohMor/gemeinde.htm (former names index links at bottom) http://www.ihff.at/indexstarte.htm (use the gazetteer link on the left side) ----- Original Message ----- From: <RTKlapka@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 9:07 AM Subject: Old Moravian Town/City Names Dear List, Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? I have information showing the old names and I'm trying to locate them in the CR. I would appreciate any suggested sites or links. Thanks for your help, Ray ______________________________

I have been a subscriber to Ancestry.com for 5 or 6 years. I love it when they get something new!! I found my husband's grandfather in the WWI draft unexpectedly! He had served in the Field Artillery as a private for five years prior to the draft in 1917. This was a great find. Too bad the records for that era were destroyed in the 1973 fire at NPRC in St. Louis, MO!! I have also used my subscription to help others find their relatives in various databases at Ancestry.com. It is well worth the money for me! Kathy -----Original Message----- From: MaryJo [mailto:maryjo@jandjglass.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 9:20 AM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Fw: [Godfrey Lib-H] Some Good News To Pass On! I pay for ancestry.com and have never been disappointed!! The chat lines alone helped me find my relatives in Chicago. Their name had been misspellled by a census taker. I love the service they offer!! I am a fan and would recommend it to anyone that has the time to use it. You can't just type in a name and boom be done. You have to keep tweaking and reading and searching. It is a resource. Just my two cents. :) Mary Jo ------ Original Message ------ From: Eugene E Vanacek <evanacek2@juno.com> Date: Thursday, November 17th, 2005 8:32 AM CST To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Fw: [Godfrey Lib-H] Some Good News To Pass On! I don't think so. I used it with NO registration and have found a bunch of my family members. I got some birth dates I didn't have and they give you a description of the person, color of hair, height,etc. Also if they were married in some cases the wife name is listed. I think it is great site to check out. I am running all my surnames and using as much as I can by the 25th and the best thing it's FREE right now. Later, Gene On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:45:22 EST TRIPLEDE@aol.com writes: > Oh, Sure!!! > > This is just another scam (not a criminal attempt but a business > trap) by > Ancestry.com to get you sucked into their clutches in order to > seperate you from > your money! They don't want to help --- they want your money! > > No thanks!! > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive. ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive.

Re:WLK A relatively common name in Czech is VLK.......I know I have seen the V changed to W in other Czech names if more in Germanic areas..... I would pursue the VLK research. E.Fergl

This is important. I think a lot of the time we forget to take the calendar changes into account. Thanks Mary Jo ------ Original Message ------ From: KarenHob@aol.com Date: Thursday, November 17th, 2005 10:33 AM CST To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Calendars and family records http://www.infoplease.com/spot/gregorian1.html This URL explains the history of the Gregorian Calendar that we use compared to the earlier Julian Calendar (for dates prior to 1582) 1583 is the first full year of the Gregorian calendar. 1753 was the first full year in which the U.S. (then a British colony) began using the Gregorian calendar. Be aware that dates on US documents prior to 1753 were based on the Julian Calendar. http://www.infoplease.com/calendar.php This URL is a perpetual calendar. http://www.assa.org.au/edm.html This URL is a method for dating Easter Sunday. Weddings in German-Bohemia generally would not take place during Lent or Advent. When a date of marriage is unknown, this data will help to establish the "date-windows" within a given year that may produce a record. It may be a good idea to find out if the bridegroom served as a soldier. He could not marry legally while on active duty so the record of a legal marriage would have to be after he mustered out. A legal marriage required a marriage license and a civil ceremony. Active duty common soldiers could not get the license. Some married with a religious ceremony while on active duty but all children were considered illegitimate UNTIL the couple were able to get the license and go through the civil ceremony. (Some church records will show a change in status from illegitimate to legitimate for some ancestor's children.) ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive.

I pay for ancestry.com and have never been disappointed!! The chat lines alone helped me find my relatives in Chicago. Their name had been misspellled by a census taker. I love the service they offer!! I am a fan and would recommend it to anyone that has the time to use it. You can't just type in a name and boom be done. You have to keep tweaking and reading and searching. It is a resource. Just my two cents. :) Mary Jo ------ Original Message ------ From: Eugene E Vanacek <evanacek2@juno.com> Date: Thursday, November 17th, 2005 8:32 AM CST To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Fw: [Godfrey Lib-H] Some Good News To Pass On! I don't think so. I used it with NO registration and have found a bunch of my family members. I got some birth dates I didn't have and they give you a description of the person, color of hair, height,etc. Also if they were married in some cases the wife name is listed. I think it is great site to check out. I am running all my surnames and using as much as I can by the 25th and the best thing it's FREE right now. Later, Gene On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:45:22 EST TRIPLEDE@aol.com writes: > Oh, Sure!!! > > This is just another scam (not a criminal attempt but a business > trap) by > Ancestry.com to get you sucked into their clutches in order to > seperate you from > your money! They don't want to help --- they want your money! > > No thanks!! > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive.

Vlk is either the animal wolf or also a child's toy, like a spinning top (dreidel) the German surname equivalent would be "Wolf" Wilke is another name Just checking my Email from a hotel computer, but will be home again this weekend and then I can look up "Wilke" for you. Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: <CZECHEKF@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 18, 2005 6:38 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] VLK/WLK/WILKE > Re:WLK > > A relatively common name in Czech is VLK.......I know I have seen the V > changed to W in other Czech names if more in Germanic areas..... > > I would pursue the VLK research. > > E.Fergl > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

thanks Karen! ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenHob@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Old Moravian Town/City Names In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:35:20 AM Mountain Standard Time, pam@ewebexpress.com writes: Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick Outskrirts: Neutischin Region: Mähren I think you mean Neutitschin which is near Olmutz. / Olomouc Look at the German map of Bohemia at the FEEFHS map room. Or use the place name at the website: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ The old German and present Czech name of the town will be there. Karen ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

In a message dated 11/17/2005 10:35:20 AM Mountain Standard Time, pam@ewebexpress.com writes: Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick Outskrirts: Neutischin Region: Mähren I think you mean Neutitschin which is near Olmutz. / Olomouc Look at the German map of Bohemia at the FEEFHS map room. Or use the place name at the website: http://www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/ The old German and present Czech name of the town will be there. Karen

Dear List, Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? I have information showing the old names and I'm trying to locate them in the CR. I would appreciate any suggested sites or links. Thanks for your help, Ray

http://www.infoplease.com/spot/gregorian1.html This URL explains the history of the Gregorian Calendar that we use compared to the earlier Julian Calendar (for dates prior to 1582) 1583 is the first full year of the Gregorian calendar. 1753 was the first full year in which the U.S. (then a British colony) began using the Gregorian calendar. Be aware that dates on US documents prior to 1753 were based on the Julian Calendar. http://www.infoplease.com/calendar.php This URL is a perpetual calendar. http://www.assa.org.au/edm.html This URL is a method for dating Easter Sunday. Weddings in German-Bohemia generally would not take place during Lent or Advent. When a date of marriage is unknown, this data will help to establish the "date-windows" within a given year that may produce a record. It may be a good idea to find out if the bridegroom served as a soldier. He could not marry legally while on active duty so the record of a legal marriage would have to be after he mustered out. A legal marriage required a marriage license and a civil ceremony. Active duty common soldiers could not get the license. Some married with a religious ceremony while on active duty but all children were considered illegitimate UNTIL the couple were able to get the license and go through the civil ceremony. (Some church records will show a change in status from illegitimate to legitimate for some ancestor's children.)

I agree. While I certainly already knew about my father and his brothers I was amazed when I learned they were working at jobs I never knew they held. A wonderful bit of family information. All such records have great value and the sentimental pleasure of viewing my father's beautiful handwriting on that card was an early Christmas present. Elaine Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. --Albert Einstein (1879-1955) Hello Eugene On Thursday, November 17, 2005, you wrote > I don't think so. I used it with NO > registration and have found a bunch > of my family members. I got some birth dates > I didn't have and they give > you a description of the person, color of > hair, height,etc. Also if they > were married in some cases the wife name is > listed. I think it is great > site to check out. I am running all my > surnames and using as much as I > can by the 25th and the best thing it's FREE right now. > Later, Gene

This would be an excellent resource!! Resident to: Deutsch-Jaßnick Outskrirts: Neutischin Region: Mähren these are the ones I'm looking for :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: <RTKlapka@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 17, 2005 11:07 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Old Moravian Town/City Names Dear List, Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? I have information showing the old names and I'm trying to locate them in the CR. I would appreciate any suggested sites or links. Thanks for your help, Ray ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive.

Recent posts noted the availablility of WW I draft records on line. The records may have values even for ancestors who were too old to be drafted per this note form Rootsweb review: 1b. TIPS FROM READERS Finding Family in WWI Draft Records By Frances Willess When I think of draft registration, my mental image is of people 30 and under, so I was amazed when I found a World War I (WWI) Draft Registration form for my grandfather -- Washington Irving BEASLEY. He was born in 1875. I was even more surprised to find one for my husband's grandfather Francis Monroe BLAIR, showing he was born 3 November 1872. That was a double surprise -- the family has always shown his birth date as 1875. My dad, Fay BARKLEY, born in 1898, was on a train waiting to leave for the army on 11 November 1918 and was sent back home. So people need to check for their family members who were born as far back as 1870s. Even though they did not actually serve in World War I, they may appear in the draft card registrations now available online to subscribers at Ancestry.com. In addition to finding personal information about many relatives besides ancestors, I even found my grandmother's brother. We had always thought his name was James Adam HARVICK, but it was actually James Addison HARVICK. Those WWI Draft Registration records are a gold mine of genealogy and enabled me to find a "lost" branch of our family.

I don't think so. I used it with NO registration and have found a bunch of my family members. I got some birth dates I didn't have and they give you a description of the person, color of hair, height,etc. Also if they were married in some cases the wife name is listed. I think it is great site to check out. I am running all my surnames and using as much as I can by the 25th and the best thing it's FREE right now. Later, Gene On Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:45:22 EST TRIPLEDE@aol.com writes: > Oh, Sure!!! > > This is just another scam (not a criminal attempt but a business > trap) by > Ancestry.com to get you sucked into their clutches in order to > seperate you from > your money! They don't want to help --- they want your money! > > No thanks!! > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > >

What are you talking about? Elaine Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake. --Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821) Hello TRIPLEDE On Wednesday, November 16, 2005, you wrote > Oh, Sure!!! > This is just another scam (not a criminal > attempt but a business trap) by > Ancestry.com to get you sucked into their > clutches in order to seperate you from > your money! They don't want to help --- they want your money! > No thanks!!

Oh, Sure!!! This is just another scam (not a criminal attempt but a business trap) by Ancestry.com to get you sucked into their clutches in order to seperate you from your money! They don't want to help --- they want your money! No thanks!!

Hi, I researching the above name. My grandmother, Ida Wilke (WLK at the time) was born in 1879 in Reichenberg (now Liberec) Bohemia. Her parents were Joseph Frank WLK b.1846 Jirsko and Karolina Anna Pilz b.1844 Altharzdorf. My grandmother's name changed toWilke when she moved to Germany--the German's couldn't pronounce WLK. If anyone has add'l info please contact me. Thanks, Nancy R.