David, I looked up in my Einsiedl information ("Errinnerungen an Einseidl, Werden und Vergehen einer deutschen Stadt in Bohmen im Wechsel der Geschichte," by Ingeborg Hubl), and found Johann Schott, house #82, "Beruf und Hausname" Tischler, Gubabinder. There was an Einsiedler school teacher Rudolf Schottner (umlaut over the "o"), no years mentioned (p. 183) Also, there was a Johann Schott who was a volunteer fireman (p. 336), with a picture of the firemen. This book is not indexed, so just glanced through the pages which had lists of people living in Einsiedl, Kschiha, Pfaffengrun (umlaut over the "u"), and Paslas. Johann Schott was the only one found listed in a house in Einsiedl, and none in the other towns I mentioned. This book was written and published in 1971, and probably based on who was living there before 1945. If you have any questions, please let me know. If it's something I can look up, I'll be happy to. This book is written in German, which I barely read, but if I find a paragraph with your surname, I can copy it and hopefully you or someone you know can translate it! Hope I have been of some help. (By the way, my family is from Einsiedl, Marienbad, Pfaffengrun, Rojau and probably a few other towns close by.) Sincerely, Mary Read --- David <kilkea@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Dear Ulrike, > > Thank you for your offer. I am researching the > Joseph Schott family. I > have found a number of Schott's in the Karlsbad > region as well as Zinnwald > and Zwickau. Some are listed as being near > Marienbad. > > Could you please consult your reference for the > names Schott, Sott or Sott > (with a hacek). The name could also be Schultt but > this spelling is > unlikely. > > Thank you > > David Schott > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ulrike Clevenger [mailto:ulrikeg5@hotmail.com] > Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 7:14 AM > To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Heimat Buch Marienbad > > > Hi everyone, I don't usually post to this list, but > follow it avidly. > > I did want to mention though, in case it might help > someone out, that I > brought back a set of Heimat Buecher for the > Marienbad area from my trip to > Germany this summer, and would be willing to look > things up. The books cover > each village with inhabitants listed, their family > member sand professions, > and a little bit of history from just before the > "Vertreibung". There are > also some pictures of homes in each town. > > Happy hunting, > > Ulrike > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Read" <maryutschig@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Heimat Buch Marienbad > Ulrike, > Is your family from Marienbad? My family is from > Marienbad and Einsiedl (and a few other nearby > towns)--Utschig, Schicker, Loew, Zeidler, Bayerl, > Dietl, Rama, to mention a few. > > I believe the article in your Heimet book (which > seems like a set of books I have seen) regarding > Einsiedl was written by Ingeborg Hubl, is that > correct? If so, I have a copy of her book about > Einsiedl, "Erinnerungen an Einsiedl, Werden und > Vergehan einer deutschen, Stadt in Bohmen im Wechsel > der Geschichte." If the articles regarding Marienbad > and Einsiedl are not written by her, please let me > know. > > And please let me know if you recognize any of my > family names listed above and if you might have them > in your family tree. > > Thanks, Mary Utschig Read > > > --- Ulrike Clevenger <ulrikeg5@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I don't usually post to this list, but >> follow it avidly. >> >> I did want to mention though, in case it might help >> someone out, that I brought back a set of Heimat >> Buecher for the Marienbad area from my trip to >> Germany this summer, and would be willing to look >> things up. The books cover each village with >> inhabitants listed, their family member sand >> professions, and a little bit of history from just >> before the "Vertreibung". There are also some >> pictures of homes in each town. >> >> Happy hunting, >> >> Ulrike >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Read" <maryutschig@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Heimat Buch Marienbad > Ulrike, > Is your family from Marienbad? My family is from > Marienbad and Einsiedl (and a few other nearby > towns)--Utschig, Schicker, Loew, Zeidler, Bayerl, > Dietl, Rama, to mention a few. > > I believe the article in your Heimet book (which > seems like a set of books I have seen) regarding > Einsiedl was written by Ingeborg Hubl, is that > correct? If so, I have a copy of her book about > Einsiedl, "Erinnerungen an Einsiedl, Werden und > Vergehan einer deutschen, Stadt in Bohmen im Wechsel > der Geschichte." If the articles regarding Marienbad > and Einsiedl are not written by her, please let me > know. > > And please let me know if you recognize any of my > family names listed above and if you might have them > in your family tree. > > Thanks, Mary Utschig Read > > > --- Ulrike Clevenger <ulrikeg5@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi everyone, I don't usually post to this list, but >> follow it avidly. >> >> I did want to mention though, in case it might help >> someone out, that I brought back a set of Heimat >> Buecher for the Marienbad area from my trip to >> Germany this summer, and would be willing to look >> things up. The books cover each village with >> inhabitants listed, their family member sand >> professions, and a little bit of history from just >> before the "Vertreibung". There are also some >> pictures of homes in each town. >> >> Happy hunting, >> >> Ulrike >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit >> > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

Ulrike, Is your family from Marienbad? My family is from Marienbad and Einsiedl (and a few other nearby towns)--Utschig, Schicker, Loew, Zeidler, Bayerl, Dietl, Rama, to mention a few. I believe the article in your Heimet book (which seems like a set of books I have seen) regarding Einsiedl was written by Ingeborg Hubl, is that correct? If so, I have a copy of her book about Einsiedl, "Erinnerungen an Einsiedl, Werden und Vergehan einer deutschen, Stadt in Bohmen im Wechsel der Geschichte." If the articles regarding Marienbad and Einsiedl are not written by her, please let me know. And please let me know if you recognize any of my family names listed above and if you might have them in your family tree. Thanks, Mary Utschig Read --- Ulrike Clevenger <ulrikeg5@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi everyone, I don't usually post to this list, but > follow it avidly. > > I did want to mention though, in case it might help > someone out, that I brought back a set of Heimat > Buecher for the Marienbad area from my trip to > Germany this summer, and would be willing to look > things up. The books cover each village with > inhabitants listed, their family member sand > professions, and a little bit of history from just > before the "Vertreibung". There are also some > pictures of homes in each town. > > Happy hunting, > > Ulrike > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > >

This is in reply to your question as to where Czech's settled in New York. There was a large Czech population in the East 70's in Manhattan in the 1930s and 1940s. When they I came I do not know, I only know they lived in that area because I went to Jounior High school with them in that neighborhood. Gloria

In a message dated 11/25/2005 10:50:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, rtklapka@aol.com writes: > Thanks for fallingrain, you might check out the ihff site. Thanks. I found four Boehmischdorfs there. Now I just have to figure out which is the right one. Cathy

When my grandfather, Hugo Bruno Palme came to the USA, about 1906, he went to New Bedford, where there were apparently a group of fellow German-Bohemians who worked in the glass industry.

Ancestry.com has a record of Gustav Thondel, wife Fanny and daughter Hermione who immigrated in 1897 and lived in New Bedford during the 1900 census. Marge -----Original Message----- From: Bill <willthon@msn.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:51:16 -0600 Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] 1900 NewBedford Cenus Looking for info on Gustave Thondel in the 1900 census of Bristo County of Massachusetts.... Does anyone have a database where this can be located? Thanks, Bill Thoendel Nebraska ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

Cathy, Thank you for the fallingrain site. I tried to find the old name on fallingrain and it wasn't there. The name turned out to be Rostitz. I did find it in www.ihff.at/ where I chose the English pages and then "gazetteer and pictures cards". From the ihff site, I found the new CR name to be Rozstani. The fallingrain site had Rozstani but not the old Rostitz. Thanks for fallingrain, you might check out the ihff site. Ray Klapka -----Original Message----- From: MiscSearch@aol.com To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:06:54 EST Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Old Moravian Town/City Names In a message dated 11/17/2005 12:08:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, RTKlapka@aol.com writes: > Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names > and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? Ray I don't know if this will help, but it's worth a try. http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EZ/a/M/o/r/ Cathy ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/

Anettka, Thank you very much for the www.ihff.at site. I only had a partial town name due to illegible handwriting and the site gave me all possibilities. I found the town I was looking for. The name was Rostitz in Moravia. Thanks again, Ray Klapka -----Original Message----- From: Anettka@aol.com To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 09:41:04 EST Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Old Moravian Town/City Names In a message dated 11/25/2005 Ray writes: Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names > and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? Ray, One of the best sites I've found for taking an old place name in the Czech/Moravian area and finding modern possibilities is this: http://www.ihff.at/indexstarte.htm . When you get to that page, click on "gazetteer and picture cards". Then in text, click on "listing". Where you see a 'window', put in the place name, or at least a few letters of it. You will get the modern name as well as other information. Anettka ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html and request an archive.

In a message dated 11/25/2005 Ray writes: Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names > and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? Ray, One of the best sites I've found for taking an old place name in the Czech/Moravian area and finding modern possibilities is this: http://www.ihff.at/indexstarte.htm . When you get to that page, click on "gazetteer and picture cards". Then in text, click on "listing". Where you see a 'window', put in the place name, or at least a few letters of it. You will get the modern name as well as other information. Anettka

In a message dated 11/17/2005 12:08:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, RTKlapka@aol.com writes: > Does anyone know of a Web site that lists old Moravian town and city names > and cross references them to the new Czech Rep. names? Ray I don't know if this will help, but it's worth a try. http://www.fallingrain.com/world/EZ/a/M/o/r/ Cathy

Looking for info on Gustave Thondel in the 1900 census of Bristo County of Massachusetts.... Does anyone have a database where this can be located? Thanks, Bill Thoendel Nebraska

From a book review on the HABSBURG list: H-NET BOOK REVIEW Published by H-German@h-net.msu.edu (November, 2005) Steven Bela Vardy and T. Hunt Tooley, eds. _Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe_. Eastern European Monographs Series. Boulder: Columbia University Press, 2003. xiv + 861 pp. Maps, notes, tables, documents, some individual bibliographies. $68.50 (cloth), ISBN 0-8803-3995-0. Reviewed for H-German by Bruce Campbell, Department of Modern Languages and Literatures (German Studies), College of William & Mary German and Hungarian Suffering after World War II, with the Ex-Yugoslavia as Background The title of _Ethnic Cleansing in Twentieth-Century Europe_, edited by Steven Bela Vardy and T. Hunt Tooley, leads one to assume that the book attempts to describe and explain the entire phenomenon of ethnic cleansing in Europe in the twentieth century. This is not quite the case, and the focus is very clearly on the former Habsburg lands of Central Europe and the Balkans, and particularly on the persecution of ethnic German and Hungarian minorities. Other cases are included (including some chapters which include non-European events), but the focus is pronounced. -------snip-------- Finally, the most obvious focus of all is on the persecution and ethnic cleansing of ethnic Germans after the Second World War. The introduction specifically states that Germans have been the greatest victims of ethnic cleansing during the twentieth century in Europe (p. 6) (with the Hungarians second). At least twenty of the contributions--nearly half--are concerned with ethnic German suffering after the Second World War. Not only is an entire subsection (Part 2) devoted to the topic, but several of the essays in other sections are as well, as is an entire section where all six essays concern ethnic Germans, four of which (Karl Hausner, Hermine Hausner, Martha Kent, and Erich A. Helfert) are personal stories of ethnic German survivors of ethnic cleansing. These are among the most poignant and heart-wrenching contributions in the entire book, but their academic or analytical value is strictly limited. The topic has been nearly taboo in historical writing since the Second World War, but has recently seen a resurgence of interest in the West and particularly in modern, post-unification Germany, as many taboos against discussing German suffering in the Second World War have begun to be challenged. The contributions on ethnic Germans are mixed in quality. On the one hand, the chapter by de Zayas makes wild accusations and excoriates the Allies and particularly Czech President Eduard Benes, while those by Scott Brunstetter, Janos Angi and Nicolae Harsanyi are superficial. On the other hand, the contribution by Christopher Kopper on the Czech case, though based largely on secondary sources, is at least balanced and shows that there was an evolution of Czech government thinking. The two chapters on Poland by Richard Blanke and Tomasz Kamusella are both very good: Blanke looks at the special case of German-speaking ethnic Poles, whereas Kamusella uses mainly Polish sources to look at Upper Silesia. Two other essays on Poland, by Elizabeth Morrow Clark and Gregor Thum, exploit the recent interest in history and memory to look at the memory of the now absent German presence in, respectively, Gdansk and Wroclaw.

There is still one Bohemian Beer Garden left in Astoria-next to it is the Bohemian Hall full of history. The Beer Hall serves authentic czech food and beer-its quite good. You hear a lot of czech being spoken - plenty of young people speaking it also. If you go on line to Bohemian Hall in Astoria you can find out a little more about it. Rose NY ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenHob@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Bohemians in Astoria NY > http://www.nyu.edu/classes/blake.map2001/romania.html > > > An interesting read about Czechs and Slovaks who settled in > Ástoria (Queens) NY. > > My daughter lived in Astoria when she worked in Manhattan and when I visited > I found that the neighborhoods still have distinct ethnic character. > The houses on her street were all 4-6 story apartments with one flat per > floor. > Each had a "foregarden" in front of it enclosed by an iron fence or low brick > wall. > > Almost all of the gardens included a shrine to the Virgin Mary with a statue. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

There is still one Bohemian Beer Garden still left in Astoria-along with the beer garden is the Bohemian Hall-I have eaten there twice and the food is authentic czech food and beer. You hear lots of czech spoken and by lots of young people also. I believe if you go on line to Bohemian Hall in Astoria you can find out more about it. Rose NY ---- Original Message ----- From: <KarenHob@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Bohemians in Astoria NY > http://www.nyu.edu/classes/blake.map2001/romania.html > > > An interesting read about Czechs and Slovaks who settled in > Ástoria (Queens) NY. > > My daughter lived in Astoria when she worked in Manhattan and when I visited > I found that the neighborhoods still have distinct ethnic character. > The houses on her street were all 4-6 story apartments with one flat per > floor. > Each had a "foregarden" in front of it enclosed by an iron fence or low brick > wall. > > Almost all of the gardens included a shrine to the Virgin Mary with a statue. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

If you drill down into the source, this is a DBase collection of a small number of military companys etc., most by location of enlistment or station. I have 5 people who were in WW1 & WW2, none are in this listing. Chuck Schoumaker aa1jx@juno.com On Wed, 23 Nov 2005 08:53:08 -0800 (PST) Dora Donis <ddonis@sbcglobal.net> writes: > Hi Karren, > > I also looked for an ancestor in WWI (I know he served > then) but found no listing. > > Dora M. Donis-Kestler > ddonis@sbcglobal.net > USA > > > --- KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > > > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/military/ > > > > Rootsweb has a free database of U S military > > rosters...civil war, WW I and WW > > II. > > > > I searched with Hobbs for my husband's uncle Martin > > who served during > > the American Civil War. There was no listing for > > him. > > > > We have his military record obtained from NARA so we > > know his service > > is not a myth. We can only conclude that the > > database is incomplete. > > > > Karen > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > >

http://userdb.rootsweb.com/military/ Rootsweb has a free database of U S military rosters...civil war, WW I and WW II. I searched with Hobbs for my husband's uncle Martin who served during the American Civil War. There was no listing for him. We have his military record obtained from NARA so we know his service is not a myth. We can only conclude that the database is incomplete. Karen

On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/military/ [...] > We have his military record obtained from NARA so we know his service > is not a myth. We can only conclude that the database is incomplete. If you follow the "Click here to find out more about this database" link, then follow the updated link on the result, then scroll down to the Military Records, you'll see a list of all volunteer-supplied sub-databases that are included in the search. They are VERY incomplete indeed! But better than nothing, nevertheless, and the volunteers deserve our gratitude. Urs Geiser (ugeiser AT xnet.com) Woodridge (DuPage Co.), IL, USA

Hi Karren, I also looked for an ancestor in WWI (I know he served then) but found no listing. Dora M. Donis-Kestler ddonis@sbcglobal.net USA --- KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > http://userdb.rootsweb.com/military/ > > Rootsweb has a free database of U S military > rosters...civil war, WW I and WW > II. > > I searched with Hobbs for my husband's uncle Martin > who served during > the American Civil War. There was no listing for > him. > > We have his military record obtained from NARA so we > know his service > is not a myth. We can only conclude that the > database is incomplete. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >