I found an interesting book at the local bookstore today titled "Bilder aus dem Sudetenland" Its a compilation of life in the Sudeten areas with pictures dating from the late 1800 to the early 1930s. It was written by Alois Harsko who was born in 1936 in Brettern in the Boehmerwald. There are about 500 photos which identify some people and villages but its main value is simply a depiction of what life was like in the area. The bookstore had about 10 copies on sale for 11 euros (about $13). If anyone is interested write me and I could tell you more or pick you up a copy. Tim jachowski

The U.S. Military Academy at West Point Atlas of World War I and the text that goes with it (with additional maps) is available at a reasonable price at: http://www.squareonepublishers.com/titles_greatwar.html These books help to trace where given Austrian troop units were fighting during specific times during the war. Karen

In a message dated 1/9/2006 3:19:08 PM Mountain Standard Time, KarenHob@aol.com writes: There may be other sites with the book if you search using the title. Searching with the title: Bilder aus dem Sudetenland also brings up books with photos from Brux and other areas of Sudetenland as well as references to the "liberation" of Sudetenland by Hitler and to the expulsion (Vertreibung). It may be worthwhile to search using: Bilder Sudetenland Karen

Amazon.de has the book mentioned plus another about Christmas in the Sudetenland, sold together for EU 23.859. Amazon.de accepts US Credit Cards, makes the purchase easy and gives the best exchange rate. Used copies are available at: http://www.geosmile.de/index.asp?pid=93049 but I could not tell if they accept credit cards. To order at the EU 10.43 price for the "Bilder" only, you may have to FAX a question about credit cards before ordering. Or go through the order process and see if a credit card option comes up. There is a line on the left of the page that says Zahlung per Kreditkarte, indicating that is a choice. There may be other sites with the book if you search using the title. Karen Amazon.de: Unser Vorschlag Kaufen Sie Weihnachtsgeschichten aus dem Sudetenland und Bilder aus dem Sudetenland! Zusammen für: EUR 18,90 Sprache: Deutsch Broschiert - 147 Seiten - Husum Erscheinungsdatum: Januar 1984 Auflage: 6., Aufl. ISBN: 3880422516 Amazon.de-Verkaufsrang 23.859 If you search the Internet you may also find other websites with the same. In a message dated 1/9/2006 1:32:19 PM Mountain Standard Time, rzwaschka@prodigy.net writes: I found an interesting book at the local bookstore today titled "Bilder > aus dem Sudetenland" Its a compilation of life in the Sudeten areas with > pictures dating from the late 1800 to the early 1930s. It was written by > Alois Harsko who was born in 1936 in Brettern in the Boehmerwald. There > are about 500 photos which identify some people and villages but its > main value is simply a depiction of what life was like in the area. The > bookstore had about 10 copies on sale for 11 euros (about $13). If > anyone is interested write me and I could tell you more or pick you up a > copy. > > Tim jachowski

Hi Tim, I would be interested in one of the books. Thanks, Dick Zwaschka ----- Original Message ----- From: <Tim_Jachowski@t-online.de> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:00 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Sudetenland book >I found an interesting book at the local bookstore today titled "Bilder > aus dem Sudetenland" Its a compilation of life in the Sudeten areas with > pictures dating from the late 1800 to the early 1930s. It was written by > Alois Harsko who was born in 1936 in Brettern in the Boehmerwald. There > are about 500 photos which identify some people and villages but its > main value is simply a depiction of what life was like in the area. The > bookstore had about 10 copies on sale for 11 euros (about $13). If > anyone is interested write me and I could tell you more or pick you up a > copy. > > Tim jachowski > > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > >

Bill, At www.newspaperarchive.com there were tons of hits for Thoendel in Chicago, I pulled the ones for the Jewelry store and placed them temporarily on a webpage. I could not find any though for the 1940's but there were many very interesting ones for earlier years. There is also sorta a bio in one, which I saved. Go to the link below to view them. Let me know when you have right-clicked and saved them all, so I can delete them. http://www.lifesadance.net/pend/Thoendel/ Enjoy, Jody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill's Mail" <willthon@msn.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2005 11:56 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Thoendel Jewelry Store - Chicago > > I am searching for information about the Thoendel family that owned a > Chicago jewelry store in the 1940's. My late uncle told me that when he > was in the Merchant Marines he saw the store name while he was stationed > there. > Any help would be apprecaited. > Thank you... Happy New Year to ALL > Bill Thoendel > Hoskins, Nebraska

Susie, I suspect you are talking about "Caroline Huble" - after reading your posting, I looked at Ancestry and found her in the 1930 census. Was Jacob her spouse? In the 1920 census he is 70 & she is 49, says she immigrated in 1879 from Germany (can't depend on how Ancestry records information). I suppose her maiden name was Frieda. In the Family Trees at Ancestry.com, there is a "Carrie (Turner) Shelton" also researching this same family, do you know her? She reports a Caroline FRIEDA was born 26 MAY 1870 in Mehrin, Austria - married 3 JAN 1889 in Lavaca Co., Texas to Herman Oscar HUBLE b: 22 MAR 1908 in Beeville, Bee Co., Texas. Is this your couple? You may want to contact her and ask her source for the place of birth Mehrin, Austria. Hope this helps, Jody ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susie Perkins" <susieperkins@msn.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 11:37 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Where is Magyarorszag, Austria ? >I recently found my grandmother on the 1930 Texas census. She is listed as >being from: > Magyarorszag, Austria. Does anyone know where this region may be. > > researching > > Frieda and Huble > > Thanks in advance > Susie in Texas

In a message dated 1/1/2006 5:09:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > I had been using Ferdinand as the easiest name to turn up in the family > group. > I've been using Lucretia whenever possible because it seemed to be the easiest to find, but I haven't had much luck with that either. Cathy

In a message dated 1/1/2006 2:56:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, co_sandy@msn.com writes: > I tediously viewed every census page for the counties I knew they resided > in Sandy, it makes my eyes cross to think of staring at all those pages, but one must do what one must do. Thanks. Cathy

Actually, I usually do quite well finding folks in the census using lots of tricks and some patience. In this case, it was partly a matter of time utility. It would be insanity to use Soundex for a name like Bauer -- there is only one consonant after the "B", so it would get far too many hits. Plus the problem, as mentioned, that there were 650 people named Bauer in the 1920 census just in Cook County-- with the name spelled correctly, before even doing variant spellings. So, since it really wasn't necessary for the purpose-- to find descendants--and the approximate year of birth was already established with other, I dropped it. I had been using Ferdinand as the easiest name to turn up in the family group. Linda

I know that both of these names are found in Texas. Although Mueller and variations of this name are somewhat common, Biedermann is far less common. Perhaps, you could consult the online telephone directory for Texas and learn more about just how many of each of these families might be found in Texas. Carroll Warschak Waco, Texas

In a message dated 1/1/2006 2:42:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, kilkea@sbcglobal.net writes: > My family never had the same name in any US census. Thanks, David. That might be my problem. Cathy

In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > Just a comment on the census -- I already found all of the family in the > 1900, 1920, and 1930 census . . . . I was having a little trouble with the 1910 > census I also found my mother's family on the 1900, 1920 and 1930 census for Massachusetts but not on 1910. Is this a common problem? Is there a secret to searching the 1910 census? They should be there somewhere. Cathy

Hi Cathy, No secret, but a word of advice. Never rely on what the search boxes return to you. In my primary line alone, only once did the search return what I was looking for. I tediously viewed every census page for the counties I knew they resided in, and ultimately found them all. Even with all of the name variations you can think of, there are always others no one would think of. Even Soundex is reliant on what the enumerators wrote and what the transcribers read. Good Luck! Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: MiscSearch@aol.com<mailto:MiscSearch@aol.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 12:12 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Bauer family in Chicago and McHenry In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindatherkela@msn.com<mailto:lindatherkela@msn.com> writes: > Just a comment on the census -- I already found all of the family in the > 1900, 1920, and 1930 census . . . . I was having a little trouble with the 1910 > census I also found my mother's family on the 1900, 1920 and 1930 census for Massachusetts but not on 1910. Is this a common problem? Is there a secret to searching the 1910 census? They should be there somewhere. Cathy ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/>

Dear Linda and Cathy, Census takers weren't keen on getting the spelling of names correct, particularly in cross cultural situations. You can try to find the locations where they lived in 1900 and 1920 in the 1910 census, but the enumeration districts are likely not consistent between census'. My family never had the same name in any US census. I just plowed through the census records looking in the S's, in the City where they lived, looking for a family with the correct makeup and familiar first names. Found them in one census under the Z's. Looking at all of the Soundex options also works sometimes. David Schott Zott Schot Sott Schmultt Shott etc. -----Original Message----- From: MiscSearch@aol.com [mailto:MiscSearch@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2006 11:12 AM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Bauer family in Chicago and McHenry In a message dated 12/29/2005 8:17:35 PM Eastern Standard Time, lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > Just a comment on the census -- I already found all of the family in the > 1900, 1920, and 1930 census . . . . I was having a little trouble with the 1910 > census I also found my mother's family on the 1900, 1920 and 1930 census for Massachusetts but not on 1910. Is this a common problem? Is there a secret to searching the 1910 census? They should be there somewhere. Cathy ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/

I am searching all of the following names from Bohemia. All eventually connect to the MUELLER and BIEDERMANN families. I do have some information on marriages and a few births. Any further information would be more then welcome. Period being searched is from the late 1700s to the present. It is suspected that some of the BIEDERMANNs and the MUELLERs may of immigrated to the U.S. Johann MUELLER and his wife Magdalena BIEDERMANN ended up in Saskatchewan Canada in 1905 and then eventually into British Columbia. LOCATION MUELLER Hirschfeld, Haslau BIEDERMANN Hagengruen, Rommersreuth JOBST Lindau SCHALLER Haslau KUNZEL Haslau PFEIFFER Haslau SILBERMANN Hirschfeld HELM Lindau FRANK Sorgen BAYER Oed ZIMMERMANN Rommersreuth WAGNER Seikenreuth ZEITLER Haslau Doug Appleton Web Site http://appld.sasktelwebsite.net/MULLER/Muller_INDEX.HTM SEARCHING: Biedermann, Helm, Jobst, Kunzel, Müller, Pfeiffer, Schaller, Silbermann, Zeitler.

Thank you very much for the many answers to my "Search for relatives in Chicago". It's great, I got a lot of informations. Now I know that the name of Katharina's husband is Joseph and not George. Unfortunalely four of Katharina's five children had no descendants. May be that son George had children. Linda Therkelsen (thank you) gave me the following informations about George: He lived in Huffman, Harris County, Texas. Huffman is a little north of Houston. George E. Bauer b. ~1906 Ill. d. 03 Aug. 1983 Harris County, Texas (occ. 1930 machinist, printing press) +Edith Harriett ____ d. 03 May 1979 Harris County, Texas Perhaps someone in Texas can help me by looking for their obituaries. Or someone knows an other way to find descendants of George Bauer. Thank you and a happy new year to all who are reading and writing in this German-Bohemian list. My ancestors lived in the Bohemian village Neudorf (near Pfraumberg and Tachau). My parents told me much about Neudorf and I often visit this area. I have to drive by car only 30 minutes. Gerhard with greetings from Bavaria

There were some interesting hits about Riemer Barrel Organs on the Internet. The one Carol describes could have been a barrel organ..... The Fair Organ Preservation Society in one of the hits listed below may be able to provide information about the Riemer Barrel Organ. Otherwise there is a lot of information on the history of barrel organs in general. Karen 997.01.08.20, FS: 56-key Riemer Barrel Organ, from Philip Jamison. He describes a Riemer Barrel Organ ha has for sale. He may know something about the organ. http://mmd.foxtail.com/Archives/KWIC/B/barrel.html Event Calendar ...Owners of one of the few remaining original Viennese mechanisms of an old Bohemian barrel organ from Riemer. At the side of the carriage there¹sa small ...http://www.salzstier.com/eventcalendar.htm Owners of one of the few remaining original Viennese mechanisms of an old Bohemian barrel organ from Riemer. The Viennese "hurdy-gurdy man", ...http://www.salzstier.com/tourplan.htm Availability & Sale Price List 183, EXTREMELY RARE FRATI BARREL ORGAN FROM A SMALL AMUSEMENT PARK RIDE. CRANKED OR OPERATED BY MOTOR. To Be Determined. 270, JOSEF RIEMER & SOHNE CRANK ... http://members.aol.com/cotps/colprc11.htm Collections 2005 - Fair Organ Preservation Society Organs include 64 keyless Karl Soukup, 47-key barrel Bruder, 40-key barrel Molzer, 33-key barrel Riemer, 26-key barrel Kopetzky, 40-key Dutch organ "de ...http://www.fops.org/museums/ceb_mus.htm

Bernhard, Thank you for noticing my mistake. The correct spelling is Riemer. I have been told that Kratzau (Chrastava) was once a center for several companies who made musical instruments but all are gone now. The city of Chrastava has a website but it is all in Czech so I have not attempted to contact anyone there. Any other information about the town and/or the Riemer Brothers Organ Co. will be greatly appreciated. Carroll Warschak

The Chicago Tribune web site is free, but the one I usually use is a pay site. This is part of NewsBank America in the subscription to Godfrey.org. This may be a part of HeritageQuest, I'm not sure. HeritageQuest is part of many libraries in their databases. However, it is mostly going to cover major newspapers, and only some go back very far. As you saw, the Houston Chronicle online only went back to 1985. When I need smaller or older newspapers, I either go to the Minnesota Historical Society for all those in my state, or order appropriate newspapers on microfilm at a county library. If you have a few simple requests, I can try looking for them. The subscription to Godrey Library online is very reasonable, like $30 a year. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: TRIPLEDE@aol.com<mailto:TRIPLEDE@aol.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2005 1:27 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Search for relatives in Chicago To; indatherkela; You (seems like) easily retrieved an old obit on Katrina (Ditz) Bauer. I've been trying for years to find an obit web site but I always seem to end up far from what I'm looking for. Will you give me the site you use or is it only the Chicago Tribune? Although I do have relatives in that area. Duane Dorman Lincoln, NE ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist.html> and request an archive.