> KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > Types of ships include: > Bark — A ship of three to five masts with the after mast fore-and- > aft rigged. > Brig — A two-masted square-rigged sailing ship. > Galliot — A small galley propelled by sails and oars. > Ketch — A large fore-and-aft rigged boat with two masts. > Schooner — A fore-and-aft rigged sailing ship. > Steamboat — A boat driven by steam. > For more exactitude, Schooner — A fore-and-aft rigged two-masted sailing ship, of which the aft mast is the larger. Ketch — A fore-and-aft rigged two-masted sailing ship, of which the foremast is the larger. Bark — A ship of three to five masts with AT LEAST the after mast fore-and-aft rigged. (All masts could be fore-and-aft rigged.) Confusingly, a bark can also be a two-masted square-rigged ship. Also, a hermaphrodite brig is a two-masted square-rigged ship with both a squaresail topsail and a fore-and-aft mainsail on the aft mast. Nautical parlance can be confusing even to sailors! Dan Killoran

RE: Presov (Prebuz?) and Neuhous from Aida Neuhous is definitely a misspelling and should be Neuhaus. Your Presov could be Prebuz??? It was known as Frühbuss. The entire area was 100% German. Under Neuhaus we find 2 listings in Bohemia, but since you mention Falkenau, it could be the one in the Bezirk Neudek: Neuhaus A (which I believe is the one in question!) a.. Neuhaus, c. jetzt: Chaloupky, Ort aufgelassen, siehe Bez. Neudek: Gemeinde Neuhaus a.. "Ort aufgelassen" means that after the Germans were expelled in 1946, after WW 2, no Czech settled there, the village is in ruins and it no longer exists. It was a small settlement on the foot of the Erzgebirge (Ore Mountains) Since "Falkenau" is listed, I think that it is what they call now "Chaloupky" and the link to this Neuhaus in on a map which you can find with the link below. There is a navigator on the right lower side. The location of Neuhaus can be found at Longt. 30º20' and Lat. 50º 21' (there is a number 4 on the map on the side for easier navigation) it is in the area of Prebuz - Frühbuss. a.. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/200e/30-50.jpg Neuhaus B (this is another one in a different area) a.. Neuhaus, c. Jindrichuv Hradec (Jindr^ichuv Hradec) Stadt-Gemeinde, Bez. und GBez. Neuhaus, S B; 9590 Ew. (239 d.); P., EdL. Horni Cerekev-Vesel/Mezimosti, Jindr. Hradec-Nova Bystrice (Neubistritz) und J.H.-Obratany(Wobratein): "Jindrichuv Hradec = Neuhaus". - Stadt-Verw., St.-Amt, Bez.-Gericht; Gymnasium; gr. Strumpf-Fabrik, ... Literatur: Hans Hadam, Stuttgart: Geschichte der ehemaligen Herrschaft Neuhaus. Hrsg: Kreisrat Neubistritz der Sudetendeutschen Landsmannschaft. Kreisbetreuer: Hans Binder, Burghofstraße 5, 7446 Oberboihingen. Stuttgart 1979. This Address for Hans Binder is a connection to another Neuhaus in what is called now Nova Bystrice. You may write to Hans Binder for a name search. Namen und Adressen stammen aus dem Jahre 1979 und sind ganz oder teilweise (Postleitzahl) nicht mehr richtig. In der 140seitigen Broschüre werden die Herrengeschlechter (Witigonen, Herren von Neuhaus, Grafen Slawata, Grafen Czernin) vorgestellt sowie die wichtigsten Kirchen usw. Auf die zugehörigen Dörfer wird kurz eingegangen. Familienkundliche Informationen sind kaum enthalten. You can also read this link: http://216.239.37.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.netzwelt.de/lexikon/Nejdek.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNeud%25C3%25B6rfel%2BMahren%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

Greetings List, I am looking for the towns of Presov and Neuhous, both presumably in Bohemia. My ancestors spoke Czech/German and most documents say they lived in Bohemia, thus I am reluctant to jump at Presov, Slovak Republic, as my match. Looking on familysearch.org, I came across another person with the last name DRAPP in the IGI. It was one of 4 records, 2 being my ancestors. The town listed as this person's place of birth was Dassnitz, Falkenau, Boehmen Koenigreich, Austria. The record for Presov, was Presov, Boehmen Koenigreich, Austria. Any ideas? Current surnames of interest include: SCHAD, MONTAG, TILL, PENKA, LEISCHNER, WINKLER of Schönhengstgau region of Moravia, and YUSKO & DRAPP Regards, Jesse Clarke chaos@gwtc.net

A lot of the German-Bohemians who settled around New Ulm arrived at the port of Baltimore. Passenger list information for arrivals in Baltimore as found at: http://www.genealogy.com/ifa/co_cd260.html The page is copied below: About the Data This data set contains alphabetical listings of approximately 138,000 individuals who arrived at Baltimore from foreign ports between 1851 and 1872. Partly in an effort to alleviate overcrowding of passenger ships, Congress enacted legislation (3 Stat. 489) on March 2, 1819 to regulate the transport of passengers in ships arriving from foreign ports. As a provision of this act, masters of such ships were required to submit a list of all passengers to the collector of customs in the district in which the ship arrived. The legislation also provided that the collector of customs submit quarterly passenger list reports to the Secretary of State, who was, in turn, required to submit the information to Congress. The information was then published in the form of Congressional documents. A further Congressional act passed on May 7, 1874 repealed the legislative provision requiring collectors to send copies of passenger lists to the Secretary of State. Thereafter, collectors of customs were to send only statistical reports on passenger arrivals to the Department of Treasury. In addition to the federal law, a Maryland State law of March 22, 1833 (effective from September 1833 until October 1866), required that the masters of vessels submit lists of passengers who arrived at Baltimore to the mayor. The law required that these "city lists" report the age and occupation of passengers and that the lists be sworn to by the master of the vessel in the presence of the mayor. The passage of that state law resulted in a dramatic increase in compliance with the keeping of passenger lists. Passenger lists such as these are important primary sources of arrival data for the vast majority of immigrants to the United States in the nineteenth century. With the single exception of federal census records they are the largest, the most continuous, and the most uniform body of records of the entire country. (Michael Tepper. "American Passenger Arrival Records." Baltimore: Genealogical Publishing Company, Inc. 1993. Page 64.) The information collected in this data set was taken from the National Archives Microfilm Series M255, "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Baltimore, 1820-1891". While the entire microfilm series spans 50 rolls, this information included here covers rolls 9 through 19 and includes individuals who arrived between 1851 and February 29, 1872. The information you can obtain from this data set can help you create a well-rounded picture of your ancestor's arrival in America. Generally, you'll find the following types of information about an individual included here: Gender Age Occupation Place of origin Destination Additional comments Name of ship on which the individual traveled Type of ship on which the individual traveled Port of departure Port of arrival Date of arrival National Archives series number National Archives microfilm number National Archives list number As you know, it is often the little details that help bring your family history to life. Because of this, we included more than just the basic information available about a person on the actual microfilm. For example, you'll often learn the type of ship an individual sailed on. Types of ships include: Bark — A ship of three to five masts with the after mast fore-and-aft rigged. Brig — A two-masted square-rigged sailing ship. Galliot — A small galley propelled by sails and oars. Ketch — A large fore-and-aft rigged boat with two masts. Schooner — A fore-and-aft rigged sailing ship. Steamboat — A boat driven by steam. More About this Data Set From this data set, you can learn a great deal of valuable information about your immigrant ancestors. The primary fields are: Name — In this field you will find the individual's given name and surname, as well as any titles that were included in the original index. You should note that names of immigrants were often recorded as they were heard and that many immigrants could not spell their own names. Thus, spelling variations of names occur and members of the same family arriving at different times or places may be found under different spelling. You may have difficulty locating some names for the following reasons: Some given names have been abbreviated. For example, "Robert" may appear as "Robt," and "Elizabeth" as "Eliz." Some given names are misspelled, contain typos, or may be spelled unusually. Some given and middle names are truncated. Specifically, this happens when the name, including the spaces between the given name, middle name, and last name, is longer than twenty-three characters. For example, "McCormack, Annabelle Margaret" would be listed as "McCormack, Annabelle Mar." Some of the given names listed in this data set may have been truncated. For example, the truncated name "Fr." could be "Friedrike," "Fritz," or "Franz." If you are unable to locate a particular given name and surname, try switching the given name to an initial, abbreviation, or possible misspelling. If the surname is not common, you may want to search only on the surname. Age — This field indicates the immigrant's age at the time of arrival. Country of Origin — This field column lists the country in which the individual resided. Arrival Date — This is the date on which the individual arrived in Baltimore.

http://www.ingeneas.com/ingeneas/ For immigrants to / through Canada Karen

Check out some of the free genealogy URLs listed on this page (not ALL the listings are free). http://www.freesurnamesearch.com/search/worldwide.html Karen

Am looking for Haky and Kolesar family of my husband. Anna Kolesar was born in Iglau or Iglo in mid 1880s and Michael Haky was born around 1880. They came to America and married in Cleveland and settled in Chicago. Thank you in advance, Edith "Edie" Sando sando1@cox.net

Wow, Karen. Thanks for all the info. I will have to find my info on him and look. Thanks again. -----Original Message----- >From: KarenHob@aol.com >Sent: Jan 24, 2006 12:30 PM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Austrian/Tyrol > >In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:16:17 AM Mountain Standard Time, >sgchewy@earthlink.net writes: >Is there any records of soldiers that fought in Tyrol during the war? My >ancestor was born in the 1800's and just before coming to the US in 1893 he >served in Trol. Can they be researched? >The only records of soldiers who fought in Tirol are the records of those who >were born somewhere in today's Republic of Austria. > >Or maybe those who were born elsewhere and recruited within the borders of >today's Republic of Austria. > >Many of the units that fought in the South Tirol were battalions from >regiments recruited in other lands of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. > >If your ancester was born in Bohemia and he fought in Tirol you may be able >to find out something about his unit in the German book: > >Die Sudetendeutschen im Weltkriehge 1914-1918 by Konrad Leppa. > >The book is available in the US via interlibrary loan. > >It is divided into chapters that are dedicated to the engagements in which >specific battalions were involved. For example, if you know your ancestor was >orginally recruited into Infantry Regiment 73, look for the pages that are >about a battalion from that regiment. > >Some of the chapters include soldiers' narratives and mention names of men >who were cited for bravery. > >Some of the book is in Gothic typeface and some is in Roman typeface. >The style of German is not all that difficult if you are able to read German >at all. If you get the book and photocopy the pages you want be sure that >you also photocopy all of the "Skizze" (little maps) that show battle lines >on given days so you have them as reference if needed. > >If you can pick out place names in the text like "Isonzo" or "Caporetto" >look for the phtots in the back of the book that are related to those locations. > >The individual records of soldiers recruited in Bohemia who fought in WW I >may be in the military archive in Prague. They would not be in Vienna. > >Vienna may be able to provide basic information about soldiers recruited in >Bohemia -- name, place of birth, regiment and maybe his place of death if he >died or where he was taken prisoner if that was the case. All they have are >about a million (!!) 3X5 cards with that basic information. > >To get information from Vienna you should provide the name, date of birth and >birthplace. If you know the regiment that recruited him, name that, too. >Otherwise they may find too many soldiers with the same name to process your >inquiry. > >If you don't know anything but the name and the approximate district where >the man was born you can still guess at a regiment. > >Use the 1898 recruiting map at: http://www.kuk-wehrmacht.de/regiment/ >as a starting point to suggest 1-2 regiments from the general area that he >was likely to have lived to the Vienna Archive. > >When WW I began the army was organized pretty much the same as it was in >1898. As the war went on there were several reorganizations. > >Visit Glenn Jewison's website at: http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/ >Click on Orders of Battle and then of Italy 1915. > >Look for the names of the units that were stationed in Italy. > >The abbreviation GbBrig = Gebirgesbrigade is for a Mountain Brigade. >These units were made up of various battalions detached from regular infantry >regiments. They wore an Edelweiss badge. > >Some were "Schutzen" battalions or "Jaeger" battalions and others were >regular line infantry battalions. > >The abbreviation: > >Baon = Battalion >1/29 = 1st Battalion of the 29th Regiment > >Look for any battalion that belonged to a regiment from Bohemia per the map >cited above. > >If you know the ancestor fought in the south Tirol then search first under >the order of battle for Carinthia. > >If you know he was already a veteran who had served and was mustered out >before the war started and over 30 years old when drafted, he may have been in a >Landsturm unit (made up of older veterans of prior service). > >If you don't understand the abbreviations used look at the bottom of the web >page for an explanation. If you need more information, send an Email to >Glenn Jewison whose Edress is on the home page of the site (bottom). >There is a possibility that there were also Bohemian Jaeger battalions in >Italy. > >Explore Jewison's website. > >If you want campaign maps for the war in Italy you will find some at: >USMA Great War Atlas. > >Search with that phrase to find the index of the atlas. You can download or >copy the maps and paste them to MS PAINT or another imaging program to save >them. MS PAINT will automatically print them in the original size which >takes several sheets of paper. > >Karen > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

In a message dated 1/24/2006 11:30:24 AM Mountain Standard Time, KarenHob writes: Is there any records of soldiers that fought in Tyrol during the war? My ancestor was born in the 1800's and just before coming to the US in 1893 he served in Trol. Can they be researched? I just realized that you said the ancestor arrived in the us in 1893. When you say "during the war" what war are you talking about? Karen

In a message dated 1/24/2006 6:16:17 AM Mountain Standard Time, sgchewy@earthlink.net writes: Is there any records of soldiers that fought in Tyrol during the war? My ancestor was born in the 1800's and just before coming to the US in 1893 he served in Trol. Can they be researched? The only records of soldiers who fought in Tirol are the records of those who were born somewhere in today's Republic of Austria. Or maybe those who were born elsewhere and recruited within the borders of today's Republic of Austria. Many of the units that fought in the South Tirol were battalions from regiments recruited in other lands of the Austro-Hungarian Empire. If your ancester was born in Bohemia and he fought in Tirol you may be able to find out something about his unit in the German book: Die Sudetendeutschen im Weltkriehge 1914-1918 by Konrad Leppa. The book is available in the US via interlibrary loan. It is divided into chapters that are dedicated to the engagements in which specific battalions were involved. For example, if you know your ancestor was orginally recruited into Infantry Regiment 73, look for the pages that are about a battalion from that regiment. Some of the chapters include soldiers' narratives and mention names of men who were cited for bravery. Some of the book is in Gothic typeface and some is in Roman typeface. The style of German is not all that difficult if you are able to read German at all. If you get the book and photocopy the pages you want be sure that you also photocopy all of the "Skizze" (little maps) that show battle lines on given days so you have them as reference if needed. If you can pick out place names in the text like "Isonzo" or "Caporetto" look for the phtots in the back of the book that are related to those locations. The individual records of soldiers recruited in Bohemia who fought in WW I may be in the military archive in Prague. They would not be in Vienna. Vienna may be able to provide basic information about soldiers recruited in Bohemia -- name, place of birth, regiment and maybe his place of death if he died or where he was taken prisoner if that was the case. All they have are about a million (!!) 3X5 cards with that basic information. To get information from Vienna you should provide the name, date of birth and birthplace. If you know the regiment that recruited him, name that, too. Otherwise they may find too many soldiers with the same name to process your inquiry. If you don't know anything but the name and the approximate district where the man was born you can still guess at a regiment. Use the 1898 recruiting map at: http://www.kuk-wehrmacht.de/regiment/ as a starting point to suggest 1-2 regiments from the general area that he was likely to have lived to the Vienna Archive. When WW I began the army was organized pretty much the same as it was in 1898. As the war went on there were several reorganizations. Visit Glenn Jewison's website at: http://www.austro-hungarian-army.co.uk/ Click on Orders of Battle and then of Italy 1915. Look for the names of the units that were stationed in Italy. The abbreviation GbBrig = Gebirgesbrigade is for a Mountain Brigade. These units were made up of various battalions detached from regular infantry regiments. They wore an Edelweiss badge. Some were "Schutzen" battalions or "Jaeger" battalions and others were regular line infantry battalions. The abbreviation: Baon = Battalion 1/29 = 1st Battalion of the 29th Regiment Look for any battalion that belonged to a regiment from Bohemia per the map cited above. If you know the ancestor fought in the south Tirol then search first under the order of battle for Carinthia. If you know he was already a veteran who had served and was mustered out before the war started and over 30 years old when drafted, he may have been in a Landsturm unit (made up of older veterans of prior service). If you don't understand the abbreviations used look at the bottom of the web page for an explanation. If you need more information, send an Email to Glenn Jewison whose Edress is on the home page of the site (bottom). There is a possibility that there were also Bohemian Jaeger battalions in Italy. Explore Jewison's website. If you want campaign maps for the war in Italy you will find some at: USMA Great War Atlas. Search with that phrase to find the index of the atlas. You can download or copy the maps and paste them to MS PAINT or another imaging program to save them. MS PAINT will automatically print them in the original size which takes several sheets of paper. Karen

In a message dated 1/23/2006 8:34:18 PM Mountain Standard Time, willthon@msn.com writes: TIROLER WAPPENBUCH DES EHREN KRÄNZLES The World Catalog shows these two books on the subject of Tirollean Heraldry. They are available for interlibrary loan from various US university libraries. Ask your local research librarian to get one or both for you. Die Wappen des Adels in Salzburg, Steiermark und Tirol. Author: Siebmacher, Johann, d. 1611. Publication: Neustadt an d. Aisch : Bauer und Raspe, 1979, 1857 Document: German : Book Libraries Worldwide: 9 2. Wappen in Tirol : Zeugen der Geschichte : Handbuch der Tiroler Heraldik / Author: Hye, Franz-Heinz. Publication: Innsbruck : Universitätsverlag Wagner, 2004- Document: German : Book Libraries Worldwide: 9 Karen

Check out this database website for a first search:: http://www.knowx.com/ I used it to search for death records for two of my surnames. The results had some first names I had not seen before but were also missing some I would have expected to see.

Library offers genealogy series GREEN BAY — The Local History and Genealogy Department of the Brown County Library will sponsor a free series of six genealogy programs beginning Saturday. The series, Genealogy 101, will be in the auditorium of the Central Library, 515 Pine Street, from 9:10 to 10:20 a.m. on the following dates with the following topics: Saturday: "Vital Records: The clues they hold" Jan. 28: "Census Records: More than counting heads" Feb. 4: "Newspapers: More information to be found" Feb. 11: "Land Records: How do I find the farm?" Feb. 18: "Naturalization Records: But they always voted!" Feb. 25: "Court records: What they may contain" Reserve a spot by calling (920) 448-4400, Ext. 394. Jean Peerenboom/Press-Gazette

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060117/NEWS02/601170446/1 008 Bill would limit access to birth, death records By Greg Hafkin greg.hafkin@indystar.com Birth and death records now open to the public would be closed under a bill proposed in the Indiana House, pitting freedom of information against privacy concerns. House Bill 1067 would make it harder for someone to retrieve another person's birth or death information unless they are a relative of the person listed on the record, a member of the media or someone researching genealogy. Others would have to get a court order to gain access to the records. Proponents say the legislation would cut identity theft. The legislation raises issues beyond which records should and shouldn't be open to the public. In an age of Internet blogs and nontraditional families, defining media and who constitutes a relative could be difficult. "It could be very important for a community group near a stream or near a dump or factory that might suspect for some reason that they're part of a cancer cluster," said Stephen Key, general counsel for the Hoosier State Press Association, which objects to the bill. "By going to the county health department and checking the causes of death for people, they might be able to show there's a problem." The proposed legislation directs the Indiana State Department of Health to create rules to govern the inspection of records by genealogy researchers. While the media still would have access to most records, it would be blocked from looking at documents that list the cause of death. Under current state law, information on birth and death certificates is available to the public, with the exception of Social Security numbers. Greenfield lawyer Thomas Williams took advantage of the law in 1999, when he started placing information from Hancock County birth and death records on his local-interest Web site, hancocknews. com. For births, he listed the name of the baby, the date of birth, and the parents' names and ages, including the mother's maiden name. When people died in Hancock County, he posted their names, ages, addresses and dates of death, along with causes of death and the names of the people who reported them dead. Williams said he posted the information as part of a "community-building activity." "When kids are born, the community should know it so they can participate in the joy of that event," Williams said. Pam Baker, office manager of the Hancock County Health Department, initially denied Williams' request for the records but then complied after she discovered she could be charged with a felony for withholding the information. Last year, Baker contacted Rep. Bob Cherry, R-Greenfield, who promised he would draft a bill to address her concerns. The bill has been assigned to the House Public Health Committee, but no hearing date has been set. A similar bill proposed by Rep. Peggy Welch, D-Bloomington, during the 2003 session was defeated. Cherry was among legislators who voted against Welch's bill, which also was sparked by concerns about identity theft. Concern for homeland security prompted Cherry to take up Baker's request, he said. "I'm not against Mr. Williams getting the information, but if he's putting it on the Internet, I have a problem," Cherry said. "What goes on the Internet can be picked up any place in the world." Some contents of the birth certificate, such as the mother's maiden name, could be used toward identity theft, he said. Such a law might be difficult to enforce, according to Marian Pearcy, president of the Indiana Coalition for Open Government, which advocates public access to government records. She opposes the legislation. "I'm not clear as to why the press should get any special privileges over the citizen," Pearcy said. "In this day and age, with the Internet blogs, what is the media right now?" The bill would limit the definition of news media to newspapers that have been publishing for at least three consecutive years, licensed radio and television stations, and news services. Baker, the Hancock County health official, said she knows of no cases of identify theft stemming from Williams' site, but she said it's always a possibility. "Because of the Internet and terrorism, we are becoming more aware that birth records are an important piece of a person's identity," she said. In fact, there's no evidence to prove that anyone has committed fraud using information obtained from birth or death certificates, said Fred Cate, a professor at Indiana University School of Law and an expert on information law. "I couldn't argue that no one could ever use those records to commit identity theft, but all the research we have about identity theft is that the much greater risk is from people you know or identity documents like your driver's license or credit cards," Cate said. Lawmakers in other states have pushed similar legislation, although the bills typically have numerous exceptions, such as the one Cherry is proposing. While freedom of information is something many Americans value, it is not afforded the same constitutional protection as freedom of speech, Cate said. Still, he said, that's no reason to restrict it. "The basic principle to my mind is that you should never intrude on a freedom unless it is necessary to accomplish a more important purpose," Cate said. "In this case, it is not clear if it will even help accomplish that purpose, much less if it's necessary." Williams, whose Web site prompted this debate, said the only complaints he has received is that he does not keep the records up to date. He hasn't posted any new information on hancocknews .com for several weeks, and as of Monday, the site was down. Still, Williams said he wishes Cherry would back away from the bill. "Draping a curtain over population statistics could cause a real shortage of community information," Williams said. "I would hope he doesn't pursue it vigorously, because it would be a mistake."

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Is there any records of soldiers that fought in Tyrol during the war? My ancestor was born in the 1800's and just before coming to the US in 1893 he served in Trol. Can they be researched?

Is anyone familiar with a book or document titled : TIROLER WAPPENBUCH DES EHREN KRÄNZLES Supposed to have coat-of-arms history from Austrian Tyrol area. Thanks, Bill Thoendel

There have been a number of comments lately about the permanence of recording media. I thought it might be useful to have some actual data. I should mention that I have over 40 years experience with backing up computer data, using mostly magnetic media until about 15 years ago, when I switched to CDs. There are several kinds of tapes available, and their failure modes are different. Basically, there are two kinds: 1) "Streaming" tapes, on which the data is recorded continuously, without any pauses until the copying is finished. 2) Block-data tapes, in which the information is organized into fixed- size blocks and each block is recorded independently. Note that this operation may APPEAR to be continuous, like the streaming tapes, due to the fact that the computer will usually start recording the next block before stopping after recording the previous one. 2A) A subset of the block tapes is the DECtape, a proprietary format of Digital Equipment Corporation. My experience suggests the following: 1) DON'T use "Streaming" tapes! They are fast and very convenient, although limited in the size of devices they can copy. However, a SINGLE point-failure can render the ENTIRE tape useless! 2) Ordinary "9-track" tape suffers mainly from "print-through", in which the data magnetically recorded on the tape in the tape wound OVER the tape section in question acts as a recording head and partially overwrites the data in question. You combat this by rewinding the tape frequently - at least once a year - which slightly shifts the position of neighboring data, so you don't always have the SAME data trying to overwrite. By being coreful this way, I have managed to keep data for as much as 20 years. I have not tried any longer period - it might work or it might not. 3) DECtape is superb - it doesn't seem possible to scramble it, probably due to extensive data-correction. I once managed to recover nearly all the data from a DECtape that had suffered physical damage - one quarter inch STRETCHED, due to a power failure while running at high speed. Unfortunately: a) DEC is extinct. You can't get the drives any more, and the ones that still exist don't use the standard busses. b) They don't hold much data. 4) The criticism of CDs is correct, if somewhat exaggerated. To test this, I dug out my oldest CDs - 3 of them, recorded on 14 Aug 1997 - and tried reading them. Results: Two of them read completely, without difficulty. One of them had a number of local problems i.e. single files that could not be read. My suggestion - if you wish to keep data on CDs for an extended length of time, make two or more copies. I should mention that I have always used the cheapest media I could find. Dan Killoran

re the live expectancy of floppt -hard drives and CD I have an old 286 computer since 1989 it still works the hard drive is still ok and all the old 5 1/4 disc are still pefectly readable, They have not been especially stored ! So I would think I rather stick to floppys, then to tapes, but take the advise about how long CDs will last with a grain of salt ?

Do you have a name register ? O.Weber ----- Original Message ----- From: "aida kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 11:20 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Inventory of Records at Leipzig >I purchased the Inventory book from the German Central office for Genealogy >at Leipzig which might be easier to access than records in the Czech >Republic. The Inventory list ISBN 3-7686-2054-9 can be purchased from > Sächsisches Staatsarchiv Leipzig and is printed with a direction in both > languages, German and English. > Their address is: > Deutsche Zentralstelle für Genealogie > Schongauerstr. 1 > D04329 Leipzig > Germany, > The booklet contains Church names of available church registers. Let > me warn you, these are not complete records as this was "work is progress" > I am listing below what is available for Bohemia. > The forword in this book states: > "All documents in this volume are solely the result of the activities of > the former German agency for genealogical research, which was founded on > March 5, 1935 as an institution of the German Ministry of the Interior. " > And there is a guideline for use. The information is on microfilm. > Besides the Sudetengerman listings of towns (which I have listed > below) there are various registers listed for villages in Bessarabien, > Bukowina, Estland, Letland, Litauen, Siebenbürgen, Slowenien, Südtirol. > Since these are not complete records, this inventory list is a good > guideline. If you have interests other then the present area of the Czech > Republic, write to me to check if the town you are interested in is listed > within the other regions. Do not write to the list but directly to me > akibb1@verizon.net > Aida Kraus > > Albrechtsdorf, Kreis Gablonz > Arnau, Kreis Hohenelbe > Bernsdorf, Kreis Trautenau > Bielau, Kreis Wagstadt > Botenwald, kreis Wagstadt > Brandau, Kreis Brüx > Bransdorf, Kreis Jägerndorf > Brenn, Kreis Deutsch Gabel > Brosdorf, Kreis Wagstadt > Brunnersdorf, Kreis Kaaden > Chodau, Kreis Elbogen (from 1671 to 1794) > Deutsch Jasnik, Kreis Neutitschein > Dittersdorf, Kreis Freudenthal > Dreihacken, Kreis Marienbad (1787-1797 and 1858-1883) > Funkau, Kreis Kaaden > Gablonz, Kreis Deutsch Gabel > Göhren, Kreis Brüx > Grossmergthal, Kreis Deutsch Gabel > Gross Pahlom, Kreis Wagstadt > Grottau, Kreis Reichenberg > Habstein, Kreis Böhmisch Leipa > Harrachsdorf, Kreis Hohenelbe > Kapsch, Kreis Mies (1695-1757) > Kleinlangenau, Kreis Hohenelbe > Komotau, Kreis Komotau (1606-1661) > Krombach, Kreis Deutsch Gabel > Liebschitz, Kreis Leitmeritz with > Kettendorf, Liebschitz, Trnobrand, Oberkoblitz, Niederkoblitz > (1683-1746) > Mährisch Rothmühl, Kreis Zwittau > Mittellangenau, Kreis Hohenelbe > Moldau, Kreis Teplitz-Schönau (1827-1922) > Neudeck, Kreis Neudeck > Neumarkt, Kreis Tepl > Niederdorf, Kreis Hohenelbe > Niederlangenau, Kreis Hohenelbe > Niederlichtenwalde, Kreis Deutsch Gabel > Niederrrochlitz, Kreis Hohenelbe > Niklasberg, Kreis Teplitz-Schönau > Oberradersbach, Kreis Braunau > Oberrochlitz, Kreis Hohenelbe > Ottendorf, Kreis Braunau > Platten, Kreis Komotau (1638 - 1875) > Ponikla, Kreis Hohenelbe > with Freudenberg, Jetschabi, Koschischlitz, Raudnitz, Wichau-Lhota, > Witkowitz > (1700-1853) > Poruba, Kreis Wagstadt > Priesen, Kreis Komotau (1580-1770) > Raase, Kreis Freudenthal (1571-1669 > Rascha, Kreis Brüx > Redenitz, Kreis Kaaden > Reichenau, Kreis Mährisch Trübau (1784-1911) > Reischdorf, Kreis Kaaden (1713-1875) > Rochlitz, Kreis Hohenelbe > Saar, Kreis Kaaden (1610-1713) > Sabnitz, Kreis Brüx > Sahlenbach, Kreis Hohenelbe > Schlatten, Kreis Wagstadt (1642-1890) > Schluckenau, Kreis Schluckenau (1694-1749) > Seelau, Kreis Kaaden > Sehrles, Kreis Kaaden (1611-1747) > Seidowitz, Kreis Brüx > Seifersdorf, Kreis Jägerndorf > Stefansruh, Kreis Gablonz > Steinwasser, Kreis Brüx > Stiebrowitz, Kreis Troppau > Totzau, Kreis Kaaden (1628-1774) > Wagstadt, Kreis Wagstadt (1653-1884) > Weipert, Kreis Weipert (1664-1730) > Weisswasser, Kreis Frewaldau > Wistritz, Kreis Kaaden (1611-1792) > with Milsau > Woslowitz, Kreis Kaaden > Zettel, Kreis Brüx > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >