In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:09:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, paulagoblirsch@gmail.com writes: My question is why? Why\ when many Germans were still moving east, would a family move BACK to Germany proper? I don't recall if I ever sent an answer to this query to the German-Bohemian list. In case I did not, here are some suggestions. Bavaria was not "Germany". It was a Roman Catholic kingdom at a time when many of the German states were Protestant. A lot of the migration during this period had something to do with religion. In 1654 Bohemia was mostly Roman Catholic. Try to learn what was going on in your ancestral noble domain (Herrschaft) between 1700-1720. Use Internet timelines as a first search for historical reasons for an event. Freeholders and Burghers could move about without permission from their noble landlords. Serfs could not. They would not escape conscription during mobilization for war without having to pay a pretty large sum. After looking over a timeline look for subjects to research more -- like the Turkish wars in Europe and a history of epidemic and famine. High Austrian casualties in a given battle might make men who faced conscription try to flee Austrian lands. Karen http://timelines.ws/countries/AUSTRIA.HTML 1701 Sep 7, England, Austria, and the Netherlands formed an Alliance against France. (HN, 9/7/98) 1703 Sep 30, The French, at Hochstadt in the War of the Spanish Succession, suffered only 1,000 casualties to the 11,000 of their opponents, the Austrians of Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I. (HN, 9/30/98) 1704 Aug 13, The Battle of Blenheim, Germany, was fought during the War of the Spanish Succession, resulting in a victory for English and Austrian forces. The Duke of Marlborough and Prince Eugene of Austria defeated the French Army at the Battle of Blenheim. In 1705 Joseph Addison wrote the poem "The Campaign" for the Duke of Marlborough to commemorate the military victory over France and Spain at the Battle of Blenheim: "Do you not think an angel rides in the whirlwind and directs this storm." (AP, 8/13/97)(HN, 8/13/98)(SSFC, 1/21/01, p.A6) 1705 May 5, Leopold I von Hapsburg (64), Emperor of Holy Roman Empire, died. (MC, 5/5/02) 1706 Mar 8, Vienna's Wiener Stadtbank was established. (MC, 3/8/02) 1713 Most European powers vowed to respect the 1713 royal pronouncement of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI, called the Pragmatic Sanction, in which he declared that if he had no direct male heir upon his death, his Austrian domains would go to his eldest daughter, Maria Theresa. (HNQ, 7/29/99) 1713 The plague in Vienna ended. The Karlskirche Church, designed by Johann Bernard Fischer von Erlach was built to commemorate this event. It is considered to be Vienna's greatest Baroque church. (Hem., Dec. '95, p.69) 1717 Aug 22, The Austrian army forced the Turkish army out of Belgrade, ending the Turkish revival in the Balkans. (HN, 8/22/98) 1718 Jul 21, The Turkish threat to Europe was eliminated with the signing of the Treaty of Passarowitz between Austria, Venice and the Ottoman Empire. (HN, 7/21/98) http://timelines.ws/countries/BOHEMIA.HTML:

Sorry, the sentence should read: After the long journey by sea he knelt and kissed the ground. LaVerne

On Mar 9, 2006, at 6:35 PM, Karen Hob wrote: > https://internet-genealogy.com/preview_issue.htm (download from > this URL) > > > > Download the preview issue in PDF format. My system said the file > could not > be printed or saved so it had to be read on line or selected pages > might be > saved and printed with a screen capture.. Karen, my browser (Safari, in a Mac) downloaded it as a pdf file with no trouble. I can read or print it as I wish. Dan Killoran

Although this is not about Bohemia it is a true story about one family who returned. On my husband's side a grand uncle and his family came to Buffalo, NY in the early 1880s as did his grandfather and other grand uncles and grand aunts. But this one family returned to Rocozin, West Prussia in 1888 because they were homesick. Maybe a shepherd found it difficult to adjust to city living. Their family tradition is that after the long journey on the sea he knelt down and kissed the ground. Due to WWI the returned family had to eventually migrate to Schleswig-Holstein, and then to Nordrhein-Westfalen after WWII, losing everything, including important papers. One wife spent 5 years as a prisoner of the Russians leaving 2 small children with her husband and his parents. When I was researching my husband's family I could not determine where this family was. But about two years ago, one of the young cousins found me on the web, and last year came to a family reunion in Rhode Island. LaVerne

Paula, what you are probably referring to is the settlement in Galicia by German Bohemians in 1920 and then their return to Germany in 1940. Most of them were resettled in Westphalia. The first move to another country was in 1920 and was in protest because of forming a new country called Czechoslovakia out of part of their homeland which was Austria Hungary and thereby diminishing their German representation and rights in the newly created Czechoslovakian Country. The demonstrators were shot because Germans had no rights after the loss of WW1 and the newly formed Czech Republic (and Yugoslavia for that matter) had the full support of the Allied. There was a "rash" of emigration during that time and many left their ancient homeland. Now we go to the German settlements in other countries in the year 1940-41. During that time the movements from leaving their German settlements in Eastern countries, and not only Galicia, but also Poland, Rumania, Slovakia (the Slovakian Zips was entirely German) and Hungary was due to Hitler's "repatriating" Germans who were living in other countries under a different citizenship but were of German ethnicity. He needed soldiers and workers and moved a lot of people back within the borders of the Reich, making them German citizens with rights and obligations which that entailed. The people so moved had no choice in that, actually. Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenHob@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 11, 2006 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Fwd: Please Help > In a message dated 3/2/2006 1:09:47 PM Mountain Standard Time, > paulagoblirsch@gmail.com writes: > My question is why? Why\ when many Germans were still > moving east, would a family move BACK to Germany proper? > I don't recall if I ever sent an answer to this query to the > German-Bohemian > list. In case I did not, here are some suggestions. > > Bavaria was not "Germany". It was a Roman Catholic kingdom at a time > when many of the German states were Protestant. A lot of the migration > during this period had something to do with religion. > > In 1654 Bohemia was mostly Roman Catholic. Try to learn what was > going on in your ancestral noble domain (Herrschaft) between 1700-1720. > > Use Internet timelines as a first search for historical reasons for > an event. > > Freeholders and Burghers could move about without permission > from their noble landlords. Serfs could not. They would not escape > conscription during mobilization for war without having to pay a pretty > large sum. > > After looking over a timeline look for subjects to research more -- like > the Turkish wars in Europe and a history of epidemic and famine. > > High Austrian casualties in a given battle might make men who faced > conscription try to flee Austrian lands. > > Karen > > http://timelines.ws/countries/AUSTRIA.HTML > > 1701 Sep 7, England, Austria, and the Netherlands formed an > Alliance > against France. > (HN, 9/7/98) > > 1703 Sep 30, The French, at Hochstadt in the War of the Spanish > Succession, suffered only 1,000 casualties to the 11,000 of their > opponents, the > Austrians of Holy Roman Emperor Leopold I. > (HN, 9/30/98) > > 1704 Aug 13, The Battle of Blenheim, Germany, was fought during the > War of the Spanish Succession, resulting in a victory for English and > Austrian > forces. The Duke of Marlborough and Prince Eugene of Austria defeated the > French Army at the Battle of Blenheim. In 1705 Joseph Addison wrote the > poem "The > Campaign" for the Duke of Marlborough to commemorate the military victory > over > France and Spain at the Battle of Blenheim: "Do you not think an angel > rides > in the whirlwind and directs this storm." > (AP, 8/13/97)(HN, 8/13/98)(SSFC, 1/21/01, p.A6) > > 1705 May 5, Leopold I von Hapsburg (64), Emperor of Holy Roman > Empire, > died. > (MC, 5/5/02) > > 1706 Mar 8, Vienna's Wiener Stadtbank was established. > (MC, 3/8/02) > > 1713 Most European powers vowed to respect the 1713 royal > pronouncement of the Holy Roman Emperor Charles VI, called the Pragmatic > Sanction, in > which he declared that if he had no direct male heir upon his death, his > Austrian > domains would go to his eldest daughter, Maria Theresa. > (HNQ, 7/29/99) > > 1713 The plague in Vienna ended. The Karlskirche Church, designed > by > Johann Bernard Fischer von Erlach was built to commemorate this event. It > is > considered to be Vienna's greatest Baroque church. > (Hem., Dec. '95, p.69) > > 1717 Aug 22, The Austrian army forced the Turkish army out of > Belgrade, ending the Turkish revival in the Balkans. > (HN, 8/22/98) > > 1718 Jul 21, The Turkish threat to Europe was eliminated with the > signing of the Treaty of Passarowitz between Austria, Venice and the > Ottoman > Empire. > (HN, 7/21/98) > > http://timelines.ws/countries/BOHEMIA.HTML: > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >

Cross posted from the PBS list: Here is a VERY long list of various US ports used by immigrants. They are alphabetical by state.: Alabama Mobile, Alabama, 1832-1852 and 1890-1924 Alaska Eagle, Alaska, 1906-1946 Hyder, Alaska, 1906-1946 Ketchikan, Alaska 1906-1946 Nome, Alaska, 1906-1946 Skagway (White Pass), Alaska, 1906-1946 Arizona (Mexican Border Crossing Records) Aros Ranch, Arizona, 1908-1909 Douglas, Arizona, 1908-1952 Lochiel, Arizona, 1908 Naco, Arizona, 1906-1909 & 1908-1952 Nogales, Arizona, 1905-1952 San Fernando, Arizona, 1919-1952 San Luis, Arizona, 1929-1952 Sasabe, Arizona, 1919-1952 California Andrade, California, 1910-1952 Campo, California, 1910-1952 El Capitan, California, 1929-1956, see Ventura, California Ellwood, California, 1929-1956, see Ventura, California Los Angeles, California, 1907-1948 - "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at San Pedro/Wilmington/Los Angeles, California, June 29, 1907 - June 30, 1948" (NARA Microfilm Publication M1764 - 118 rolls); also see Ventura, California Port Hueneme, California, 1929-1956, see Ventura, California San Diego, California - "Index to Passenger Arrivals at San Diego, California, ca. 1904-ca. 1952" (NARA Microfilm Publication M1761 - 6 rolls) San Francisco, California, 1850-1864, Index 1893-1934, and Passenger Lists 1893-1957; also see Ventura, California San Pedro, California, 1907-1948 - see Los Angeles; also see Ventura, California San Ysidro, California, 1908-1952 Tia Juana, California, 1908-1952 Ventura, California, 1929-1956 Wilmington, California, 1907-1948 (see Los Angeles) Connecticut Bridgeport, Connecticut, 1870 and 1929-1959 Fairfield, Connecticut, 1820-1821 Groton, Connecticut, 1929-1959 Hartford, Connecticut, 1837 and 1929-1959 New Haven, Connecticut, 1820-1873 and 1929-1959 New London, Connecticut, 1820-1847 and 1929-1959 Saybrook, Connecticut, 1820 Delaware Delaware (District of), 1920 Wilmington, Delaware, 1820-1848 District of Columbia Georgetown, District of Columbia, 1820-1821 Florida Boca Grande, Florida, 1890-1924 (index) and 1912-1939 (see below) Jacksonville, Florida, 1890-1924 Key West, Florida, 1837-1868, 1890-1924, and 1898-1945 Knights Key, Florida, 1890-1924 and 1908-1912 (see A3371) Miami, Florida, 1890-1924 Panama City, Florida - One roll of microfilm available from the National Archives: "Passenger Lists of Aliens (1927-1939) and Citizens (1933-1939) Arriving at Panama City, Florida;" National Archives Microfilm Publication M1840 Roll 1 - this is also available online... Panama City, Florida Passenger Lists - Citizens 1933-1936; Aliens 1927-1939 (requires payment) includes digitized images of the passenger lists from the microfilm Pensacola, Florida, 1890-1924 (index) and for 1924-1948, this roll of microfilm: "Passenger Lists of Citizens (June 1924 - August 1948) and Aliens (March 1946 - November 1948) Arriving at Pensacola, Florida, and Passenger Lists of Vessels Departing from Pensacola, Florida (August 1926 - March 1948);" National Archives Microfilm Publication M2021 Roll 1 - this is also available online... Pensacola, Florida Passenger Lists 1924-1948 (requires payment) includes digitized images of the passenger lists from the microfilm Saint Augustine, Florida, 1821-1870 Saint Johns, Florida, 1865 Saint Petersburg, Florida - One roll of microfilm available from the National Archives: "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at St. Petersburg, Florida, December 1926-March 1941;" National Archives Microfilm Publication M1959 Roll 1; Note: there are no lists from 1927-1935 on this roll. Tampa, Florida, 1890-1924 (index) - Also: Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Tampa, Florida, November 2, 1898-December 31, 1945; NARA Publication M1844, 65 rolls. Additionally, the National Archives has one roll of microfilm covering the following Florida Ports and dates... Apalachicola, Florida, 1918 Boca Grande, Florida, 1912-1939 Boynton, Florida, 1942 Carrabelle, Florida, 1915 Fernandina, Florida, 1904-1935 Fort Pierce, Florida, 1939 and 1942 Hobe Sound, Florida, 1942 Lake Worth, Florida, 1942 Mayport, Florida, 1902 and 1916 Millville, Florida, 1916 Port Inglis, Florida, 1912-1913 Port St. Joe, Florida, 1923 and 1939 Saint Andrews, Florida, 1916-1926 Stuart, Florida, 1942 Title of this record is: "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Georgetown, South Carolina, 1923-1939, and at Apalachicola, Boynton, Boca Grande, Carrabelle, Fernandina, Fort Pierce, Hobe Sound, Lake Worth, Mayport, Millville, Port Inglis, Port St. Joe, St. Andrews, and Stuart, Florida, 1904 - 1942"; Available on 1 roll of microfilm: National Archives Publication M1842, Roll 1 Georgia Darien, Georgia, 1823-1825 Savannah, Georgia, 1820-1868, 1890-1924, and 1906-1945 Hawaii Honolulu, Hawaii (also includes Maui & Kahului) I daho Eastport, Idaho, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Porthill, Idaho, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Louisiana Lake Charles, Louisiana, 1908-1954 (M1514 - Vessel Index Only) New Orleans, Louisiana Maine Bangor, Maine, 1848 Bath, Maine, 1825-1867 Belfast, Maine, 1820-1851 Calais, Maine - Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien Arrivals at Calais, Maine, ca. 1906-1952. NARA Publication M2042, 5 rolls; Also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Eastport, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Falmouth, Maine 1820-1868: see Portland, Maine; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Fort Fairfield, Maine - Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien and Citizen Arrivals at Fort Fairfield, Maine, ca. 1909-April 1953. NARA Publication M2064, 1 roll; Also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Fort Kent, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Frenchman's Bay, Maine, 1821-1827 Houlton, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Jackman, Maine - Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien Arrivals at Jackman, Maine, ca. 1909-1953. NARA Publication M2046, 3 rolls; Also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Kennebunk, Maine, 1820-1842 Lowelltown, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Madawaska, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Old Town, Maine, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Passamaquoddy, Maine, 1820-1859 Penobscot, Maine, 1851 Portland, Maine, 1820-1868 (includes Falmouth), and 1893-1943 Van Buren, Maine - Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien Arrivals at Van Buren, Maine, ca. 1906-1952. NARA Publication M2065, 1 roll Vanceboro, Maine - Alphabetical Manifest Cards of Alien Arrivals at Vanceboro, Maine, ca. 1906-December 24, 1952. NARA Publication M2071, 13 rolls Waldoboro, Maine, 1820-1833 Yarmouth, Maine, 1820 Maryland Annapolis, Maryland, 1849 Baltimore, Maryland Havre de Grace, Maryland, 1820 Massachusetts Barnstable, Massachusetts, 1820-1826 Boston, Massachusetts, 1820-1943 Dighton, Massachusetts, 1820-1836 Edgartown, Massachusetts, 1820-1870 Fall River, Massachusetts, 1837-1865 Gloucester, Massachusetts Gloucester Passenger Lists 1820-1870 Gloucester Passenger Lists 1906-1942 - Online Index & Images includes digitized images of the passenger lists (requires payment) Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Gloucester, Massachusetts, October 1906 - March 1942 is available on one roll of microfilm: NARA Roll M1321-1 (FHL Roll 2155646) Hingham, Massachusetts, 1852 Marblehead, Massachusetts, 1820-1849 Nantucket, Massachusetts, 1820-1862 New Bedford, Massachusetts, 1826-1852 and 1902-1954 Newburyport, Massachusetts, 1821-1839 Plymouth, Massachusetts, 1821-1844 Salem, Massachusetts, 1865-1866 Michigan Detroit, Michigan, 1906-1954; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Saint Clair, Michigan, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Saint Mary, Michigan, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Port Huron, Michigan, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Minnesota Duluth, Minnesota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 International Falls, Minnesota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Ranier, Minnesota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Warroad, Minnesota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Mississippi Gulfport and Pascagoula, Mississippi... One roll of microfilm is available for these ports: "Index to Passengers Arriving at Gulfport, MS, August 27, 1904 - August 28, 1954; & at Pascagoula, MS, July 15, 1903--May 21, 1935." This microfilm is available at the National Archives - Roll #T523-1 & from the Family History Library - Roll #1324964 New Hampshire Portsmouth, New Hampshire, 1820-1861 New Jersey Cape May, New Jersey, 1828 Little Egg Harbor, New Jersey, 1831 Newark, New Jersey, 1836 Perth Amboy, New Jersey, 1820-1832 New Mexico (Mexican Border Crossing Records) Columbus, New Mexico, 1917-1954 New York New York, New York Passenger Lists 1820-1957 (includes Castle Garden, Barge Office and Ellis Island Records) Alexandria Bay, New York, 1929-1956 - "Alphabetical Card Manifests of Alien Arrivals at Alexandria Bay, Cape Vincent, Champlain, Clayton, Fort Covington, Mooers, Rouses Point, Thousand Island Bridge and Trout River, New York, July 1929-April 1956" (National Archives Microfilm Publication M1481 - 3 Rolls) Black Rock, New York, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Buffalo, New York, 1902-1954; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Cape Vincent, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Champlain, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York Charlotte, New York, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Clayton, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York Fort Covington, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Hogansburg, New York, 1929-1956 - "Soundex Card Manifests of Alien and Citizen Arrivals at Hogansburg, Malone, Morristown, Nyando, Ogdensburg, Rooseveltown and Waddington, New York, July 1929-April 1956" (National Archives Microfilm Publication M1482 - 3 Rolls) Lewiston, New York, 1902-1954; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Louisville Landing, New York, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Malone, New York, 1929-1956 - see Hogansburg, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Mooers, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York Morristown, New York, 1929-1956 - see Hogansburg, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 New York City 1820-1957 (includes Castle Garden, Barge Office and Ellis Island Records) Niagara Falls, New York 1902-1954; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Nyando, New York, 1929-1956 - see Hogansburg, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Ogdensburg, New York, 1929-1956 - see Hogansburg, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Oswegatchie, New York, 1821-1823 Rochester, New York, 1866 and 1902-1954; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Rooseveltown, New York - see Hogansburg, New York Rouses Point, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Sag Harbor, New York, 1829-1834 Thousand Island Bridge, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York Trout River, New York, 1929-1956 - see Alexandria Bay, New York Waddington, New York, 1929-1956 - see Hogansburg, New York North Carolina Beaufort, North Carolina, 1865 Edenton, North Carolina, 1820 New Bern, North Carolina, 1820-1865 Plymouth, North Carolina, 1820-1840 Washington, North Carolina, 1820-1848 Wilmington, North Carolina 12/3/1903-11/2/1954, passenger lists not yet published - see the unpublished link below North Dakota Hannah, North Dakota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Neche, North Dakota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Northgate, North Dakota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Pembina, North Dakota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Portal, North Dakota, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Ohio Cleveland, Ohio, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Sandusky, Ohio, 1820 Oregon Astoria, Marshfield & Portland - Passenger and Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at Astoria, Portland, and Other Oregon Ports, Apr. 1888-Oct. 1956, and Passenger Lists of Airplanes Arriving at Portland, Oregon, Nov. 1948-Oct. 1952; National Archives Microfilm Publication M1777; 46 rolls Pennsylvania Philadelphia, Pennsylvania Rhode Island Bristol and Warren, Rhode Island, 1820-1871 Newport, Rhode Island, 1820-1857 Providence, Rhode Island... Providence Passenger Lists 1820-1867 Providence, Rhode Island Passenger Lists 1911-1943 - Online Index & Images includes digitized images of the passenger lists (requires payment) Providence Index June 18, 1911-Oct 5, 1954 (2 Microfilm Rolls)... FHL Roll #1412620 / NARA Roll T518-1 covers surnames Aabed-Pitochelli FHL Roll #1412621 / NARA Roll T518-2 covers surnames Pizza-Zveruy Providence Passenger Lists 1911-1954 (NARA Microfilm Info) Providence Passenger Lists 1911-1954 (FHL Microfilm Info) Warren, Rhode Island, 1820-1871, see Bristol, Rhode Island Helpful Book: Rhode Island Passenger Lists: Port of Providence 1798-1808 & 1820-1872, Port of Bristol & Warren 1820-1871 South Carolina Charleston, South Carolina, 1820-1828 and 1890-1924 Georgetown, South Carolina: June 17, 1923-Oct 24, 1939; Available on: "Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Georgetown, South Carolina, 1923-1939, and at Apalachicola, Boynton, Boca Grande, Carrabelle, Fernandina, Fort Pierce, Hobe Sound, Lake Worth, Mayport, Millville, Port Inglis, Port St. Joe, St. Andrews, and Stuart, Florida, 1904 - 1942"; Available on 1 roll of microfilm: National Archives Publication M1842, Roll 1 Port Royal, South Carolina, 1865 Texas Note: All ports listed here are for Mexican border crossing records, except Galveston and Indianola, which have passenger ship arrival records. Brownsville, Texas, 1905-1953 Del Rio, Texas, 1906-1909 Eagle Pass, Texas, 1905-1953 El Paso, Texas, 1903-1909 and 1924-1954 Fabens, Texas, 1924-1954 Fort Hancock, Texas, 1924-1954 Galveston, Texas (includes the subports of Houston, Brownsville, Port Arthur, Sabine & Texas City, Texas for 1896-1951) Indianola, Texas Laredo, Texas, 1903-1955 Presidio, Texas, 1908-1909 Progreso, Texas, 1928-1955 Rio Grande City, Texas, 1908-1955 Roma, Texas, 1907-1908 and 1928-1955 San Antonio, Texas, 1944-1952 Tecate, California, 1910-1952 Thayer, Texas, 1928-1955 Yseleta, Texas, 1924-1954 Zapata, Texas, 1923-1953 Vermont (Canadian Border Crossing Records) Note: Canadian border crossing records begin in 1895. They are not available prior to that. Although the actual border crossing may have taken place at a variety of places, the records produced are called "Saint Albans Lists" because they were kept in St. Albans, Vermont prior to being filmed by the National Archives. The St. Albans FAQ is very helpful for learning how to research these records. Alburg, Vermont, 1895-1924; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Beecher Falls, Vermont, 1895-1924; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Canaan, Vermont, 1895-1924 Highgate Springs, Vermont, 1895-1924 Island Pond, Vermont, 1895-1924; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Newport, Vermont, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Norton, Vermont, 1895-1924 Richford, Vermont, 1895-1924; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 (NARA Link) Also see the St. Albans FAQ for detailed information on this series Marian Smith's article By Way of Canada is also helpful Swanton, Vermont, 1895-1924; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Virginia Alexandria, Virginia, 1820-1865 East River, Virginia, 1830 Hampton, Virginia, 1820-1821 Norfolk, Virginia, 1820-1857 Petersburg, Virginia, 1820-1821 Portsmouth, Virginia, see Norfolk, Virginia Richmond, Virginia, 1820-1844 Washington Blaine, Washington, 1929; also see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Ferry, Washington, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Marcus, Washington, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Oroville, Washington, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Port Townsend and Tacoma, Washington - 1 microfilm roll available: Customs Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Port Townsend and Tacoma, WA, 1894-1909 - M1484; 1 roll Seattle, Washington 1890-1957 Seattle, Washington: Lists of Chinese Passengers Arriving at Seattle [Port Townsend], WA, 1882-1916 (M1364) Sumas, Washington, see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 Wisconsin The National Archives does not have passenger arrival lists for Milwaukee or any other Wisconsin port. Immigrants who came to Wisconsin generally arrived at a US East coast port or a Canadian port (Quebec was often used) before moving on to Wisconsin. The National Archives has Crew Lists only for the following Wisconsin ports (microfilm publication numbers are given at the beginning of each listing). M2005 - Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at Ashland, Wisconsin, August 1922 - October, 1954; 2 rolls M2044 - Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at Ashland, Kenosha, Marinette, Sheboygan, Sturgeon Bay and Washburn, Wisconsin, 1926-1956; 1 roll M2045 - Crew Lists of Vessels Arriving at Manitowoc, Wisconsin, 1925-1956; 1 roll Canadian Border see Saint Albans, Vermont, 1895-1954 (in the Vermont section above)

There is a good website for Australian Austrian clubs that may be helpful in your research at: http://www.austrian-associations.com/ Karen

Some list members may be interested in the health conditions their ancestors met on board ship. This interesting outline of some aspects of Hygiene on the ships that sailed between Europe and America in the 18th and 19th centuries is Cross posted from an Allan Chapman lecture notice on H-WAR below. The entire lecture should be included in lecture archives at Gresham College website at: http://www.gresham.ac.uk/events.asp?PageId=4 Enter the name Allan Chapman as the speaker. The lecture will be on March 13 so do not look for it until after that.. Find out from the lecture transcript if he covers the period that your own ancestor travelled. Although the lecture may emphasize the Royal Navy ships, I believe it is safe to assume that merchant ships faced the same problems. It is possible that the modern innovations described for the Royal Navy in 1860 did not apply to merchant ships that early....the merchant marine and passengers probably had to put up with outdated facilities much longer. "In Health on the Ocean Waves: The Sea Doctor afloat and in port, which he will deliver at Gresham College on Monday 13 March at 1pm, as part of a series of lectures reflecting the 200th anniversary of the Battle of Trafalgar, Professor Chapman will describe the problems of inter-continental disease transmission due to sea travel. He will point out that it was the development of scurvy among sailors in the 18th Century which led to the first properly-conducted clinical trial in the history of medicine, when Dr James Lind, Surgeon on the H.M.S. Salisbury in May 1747 selected 12 scurvy cases for a scientific experiment. He will go on to reveal that infectious disease was only one of the issues affecting seafarers during that period; accidents on board ships were also common and led to the very first formal study of health and safety in the workplace. Professor Chapman will also illustrate that as living conditions improved, so did health. He will describe how early ships were dirty and congested and sailors indulged in practices such as washing their clothes in urine because it was known to dissolve grease. This had all began to change by the 19th Century, and what had once been luxuries in the Wardroom of H.M.S. Victory, had become standard items of health and hygiene to the sailors on the gun decks of H.M.S. Warrior after 1860. Warrior, when she was launched in 1860, even had hot baths for the off-duty stokers to scrub down, and a ship's laundry, with hand-turned washing machines, and drying areas by the hot funnel shafts. Health and hygiene provision had changed beyond recognition in the Royal Navy in 70 years" I once read a book I found in the Juvenile books section of our library that was about a family's crossing about 1895. The book described the conditions below decks as very crowded and unsanitary. There was also mention that there were regulations that the area had to be "disinfected" regularly during a voyage. The writer reported that on the last day at sea when they were a little distance from port the crew finally came with disinfectants to scrub down their area for the first time so that it would appear they were following regulations when they reached port. Karen

There was also a Galatia, which corresponds roughly to Anatolia in modern Turkey. St.Paul allegedly wrote epistles to the Galatians. Richard Kaulfuss -----Original Message----- From: Laurence Krupnak [mailto:LKrupnak@erols.com] Sent: 10 March 2006 15:36 To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Galicia / Galacia Hello Karen, That region in Spain is also spelled Galicia - Galacia is a mispelling of Galicia(there are two): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_%28Spain%29 _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > > There is a Galacia in Spain. > > I sometimes get hits for Spain when I am researchin Galicia. > I think that also happens when searching the LDS catalog. > Try to fin a way to limit you searches to exclude the Spanish > sound-alike. > > See http://www.spainhomes.org/maps/Galacia.php > > Karen > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

Correction: From http://www.volhynia.com/ewzmain.html it appears that LDS FHL also has the EWZ 57 microfilms. They do not have the country-related naturalization applications nor the EWZ 56 microfilms (Race Cards). The Race cards have photos. Let me think...I believe the EWZ 57 records have photos too. ______ Lavrentiy Krupniak Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > Here's a description of the captured German documents that the US > National Archives has on microfilm: > > http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/ > > The EWZ documents are part of the Berlin Document Center records: > > http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/foreign-records-seized.html#center > > Einwandererzentrale. Microfilm Publication A3342, Series EWZ. 7,320 > rolls > > The LDS FHL only has EWZ 58 microfilms: > > 3. Stammblatter, family forms > > There are about one million forms here on 742 rolls. In terms of > information, these forms have more than the big card index, but less > than the individual files. These files are organized by number, rather > than alphabetically, so you can’t tackle this set first. > If a person is listed in the basic card index, but not the applications, > check the family forms to get a bit of extra information. > This set also helps you find neighbors, and other relatives. That’s > because people from one village were often processed together - so their > numbers would be together as well. Once you find the numbers for some of > your people, you can find out who went through the system with them. > Why you would want to find those neighbors? In may case, I’ve discovered > that some of the neighbors are also related, in some way. The connection > might be in the names of grandparents, or in the names of spouses. I > have discovered several connections using this series. > These films are available through LDS libraries and the U.S. National > Archives. > A guide to all film numbers is on this site. > > See: http://www.volhynia.com/ewzmain.html > > _________ > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > > > Ethnic Germans that resided in the following areas/nations were > > processed by the EWZ: > > > > USSR, > > Romania [includes all of Bukowina and Bessarabia], > > 1939 Poland, > > Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, > > Yugoslavia, > > France, > > Bulgaria, and > > Süd-Tirol > > > > Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > > > > > The LDS FHL currently has a relatively small number of the total EWZ > > > records that are available. The US microfilmed all of the captured > > > German records before they were returned to the Berlin Document > > > Center. The US National Archives in College Park, MD has the complete > > > set of EWZ records. > > > > > > EWZ = Einwanderungszentralstelle > > > > > > Sudenten Germans were not involved in the Nazi EWZ > > > resettlement/naturalization program. But, like Karen said if former > > > Sudenten Germans did reside in Eastern Europe during 1939-1940s they > > > were repatriated (resettled and/or naturalized) via the EWZ. > > > > > > ______ > > > > > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > > > > KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > > I have just learned that around 1920 ethnic German > > > > families from the Bohemian > > > > Egerland chose to migrate to Galicia rather than stay home > > > > under the rules of CZ. One of the villages they went to > > > > was Machiniec. > > > > > > > > I found one note that indicated the Germans from > > > > that place were "repatriated" by the Third Recih > > > > in 1940. That means that Galicians Germans who came > > > > from the Egerland in 1920 were sent to Germany > > > > in 1940. > > > > > > > > There are a lot of LDS films covering the repatriated > > > > Germans from Eastern Europe. > > > > Find them with a KEYWORD search using: > > > > > > The LDS currently has a relatively small number of the total EWZ > > > records. The US microfilmed of the captured German records before they > > > were given to the Berlin Document Center. The US microfilmed all of > > > the captured German records that were extant after WWII ended. The US > > > National Archives has the complete set of EWZ records. > > > > > > EWZ = Einwanderungszentralstelle > > > > > > > > > > > Germany immigration 1939- > > > > > > > > The 1939- limits the results to titles that include > > > > 1939 and later years. > > > > > > > > I have not reviewed those films and do not know > > > > if the birthplace of eachperson listed is given. > > > > > > > > If someone on the list has used them, please tell us > > > > what they include. > > > > > > > > I searched the Internet with: Galizien Egerländer > > > > and found some of the URLs below. > > > > > > > > Some of them are German surname lists associated with > > > > certain Galician villages that ended up in Russia in > > > > 1945 and are now in Ukraine. If the surnames are > > > > not right at the top, just keep scrolling through the > > > > page until you find them. > > > > > > > > The home page at http://www.machliniec.de/ has the > > > > names of some villages. Click on all the links to explore > > > > each village site. > > > > > > > > Surnames are at: > > > > > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/eger01.htm > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal012.htm > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal013.htm > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal089.htm > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/Images/Droesseldorf%20Ortsplan.jpg > > > > > > > > Search all the links at the sites below: Click on the English flag > > > > for English pages. > > > > > > > > http://www.koenigsau-galizien.de/friedhof_m.html > > > > http://www.koenigsau-galizien.de/friedhof.html > > > > > > > > Karen > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/

Here's a description of the captured German documents that the US National Archives has on microfilm: http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/ The EWZ documents are part of the Berlin Document Center records: http://www.archives.gov/research/captured-german-records/foreign-records-seized.html#center Einwandererzentrale. Microfilm Publication A3342, Series EWZ. 7,320 rolls The LDS FHL only has EWZ 58 microfilms: 3. Stammblatter, family forms There are about one million forms here on 742 rolls. In terms of information, these forms have more than the big card index, but less than the individual files. These files are organized by number, rather than alphabetically, so you can�t tackle this set first. If a person is listed in the basic card index, but not the applications, check the family forms to get a bit of extra information. This set also helps you find neighbors, and other relatives. That�s because people from one village were often processed together - so their numbers would be together as well. Once you find the numbers for some of your people, you can find out who went through the system with them. Why you would want to find those neighbors? In may case, I�ve discovered that some of the neighbors are also related, in some way. The connection might be in the names of grandparents, or in the names of spouses. I have discovered several connections using this series. These films are available through LDS libraries and the U.S. National Archives. A guide to all film numbers is on this site. See: http://www.volhynia.com/ewzmain.html _________ Lavrentiy Krupniak Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > Ethnic Germans that resided in the following areas/nations were > processed by the EWZ: > > USSR, > Romania [includes all of Bukowina and Bessarabia], > 1939 Poland, > Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania, > Yugoslavia, > France, > Bulgaria, and > S�d-Tirol > > Laurence Krupnak wrote: > > > > The LDS FHL currently has a relatively small number of the total EWZ > > records that are available. The US microfilmed all of the captured > > German records before they were returned to the Berlin Document > > Center. The US National Archives in College Park, MD has the complete > > set of EWZ records. > > > > EWZ = Einwanderungszentralstelle > > > > Sudenten Germans were not involved in the Nazi EWZ > > resettlement/naturalization program. But, like Karen said if former > > Sudenten Germans did reside in Eastern Europe during 1939-1940s they > > were repatriated (resettled and/or naturalized) via the EWZ. > > > > ______ > > > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > > KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > I have just learned that around 1920 ethnic German > > > families from the Bohemian > > > Egerland chose to migrate to Galicia rather than stay home > > > under the rules of CZ. One of the villages they went to > > > was Machiniec. > > > > > > I found one note that indicated the Germans from > > > that place were "repatriated" by the Third Recih > > > in 1940. That means that Galicians Germans who came > > > from the Egerland in 1920 were sent to Germany > > > in 1940. > > > > > > There are a lot of LDS films covering the repatriated > > > Germans from Eastern Europe. > > > Find them with a KEYWORD search using: > > > > The LDS currently has a relatively small number of the total EWZ > > records. The US microfilmed of the captured German records before they > > were given to the Berlin Document Center. The US microfilmed all of > > the captured German records that were extant after WWII ended. The US > > National Archives has the complete set of EWZ records. > > > > EWZ = Einwanderungszentralstelle > > > > > > > > Germany immigration 1939- > > > > > > The 1939- limits the results to titles that include > > > 1939 and later years. > > > > > > I have not reviewed those films and do not know > > > if the birthplace of eachperson listed is given. > > > > > > If someone on the list has used them, please tell us > > > what they include. > > > > > > I searched the Internet with: Galizien Egerl�nder > > > and found some of the URLs below. > > > > > > Some of them are German surname lists associated with > > > certain Galician villages that ended up in Russia in > > > 1945 and are now in Ukraine. If the surnames are > > > not right at the top, just keep scrolling through the > > > page until you find them. > > > > > > The home page at http://www.machliniec.de/ has the > > > names of some villages. Click on all the links to explore > > > each village site. > > > > > > Surnames are at: > > > > > > http://www.machliniec.de/eger01.htm > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal012.htm > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal013.htm > > > http://www.machliniec.de/gal089.htm > > > http://www.machliniec.de/Images/Droesseldorf%20Ortsplan.jpg > > > > > > Search all the links at the sites below: Click on the English flag > > > for English pages. > > > > > > http://www.koenigsau-galizien.de/friedhof_m.html > > > http://www.koenigsau-galizien.de/friedhof.html > > > > > > Karen

Thank you, Frank, for providing the list of Galician Regiments in 1880. At that time there were 80 regiments in the Austrian army. Following is some information about regiment numbers that a researcher must consider. There is a very good history of Galicia at http://emol.org/zucker/genealogy/galiciaeurope.html Found on that page: "During the Austrian period (1772-1918) it was known as East Galicia (Ost-Galizien, Skhidna Halychyna and Galicja Wschodnia)." Prior history of that region might be found under Silesia and/or the Seven Years War 1756-1763. Austria claimed a part of Silesia and Lusatia as provinces of Bohemia. When Maria Theresa became queen of Bohemia in 1740 there was a series of wars contesting her authority. Austria lost most of Silesia at that time. In 1772 when Poland was partitioned Austria got Galicia as a sort of "consolation prize." When Bohemia ruled Lusatia / Silesia there may have been Austrian regiments recruited there but they were recruited by individual noblemen. They most likely carried the name of the nobleman who recruited them rather than a number. When MT became queen there were 40-42 regiments. They are listed in the book: "The Army of Maria Theresa" which should be readily available for interlibrary loan if it is not in a local library. Their then recruiting depot may also be in that list. The names of the noblemen who recruited them are included, and are a good reference to use to search the LDS catalog. During some of the earlier wars (before 1740) some noblemen left a regiment because of cowardice , excessive casualties or something else and took over another. About the only way to learn all those details would be from regimental histories. In 1740 MT called for centralized recruiting and assigned each regiment a recruiting district. It was up to individual regimental companies to recruit in their assigned communities until 1860. Over time the number of regiments changed At the height of the Kaiser's power there were several regiments recruited in Italy. That territory was partly lost in 1859 and the numbers of regiments recruited there were transferred to NEW regiment districts formed in Galicia and Hungary (I think those were the only two Lands that got those old Italian regiment numbers. By 1860 there were 63 regiment numbers. In that year new recruiting districts raised the number to 80 regiments. In 1883 more new regiments raised the number to 102. Thus the number of an ancestral regiment in Bohemia or Galicia or Austrian Silesia can establish a time line for when it was formed. If it is a low number under 50 there is a very good chance it is a number that was ALWAYS recruited in approximately the same district but its recruiting district borders were reduced over time. A good example is IR 35 -- the Pilsen regiment. It has been the Pilsen regiment ever since 1683 when it was first raised to fight the Turks at Vienna. IR 28, the Prague Regiment is another that has always been recruited from Prague but the size of its recruiting district -- like that of IR 35 -- changed over time. The Cernowitz (Bukovina) regiment is yet another. I don't recall at the moment if its number was 43 or 41. Numbers up to 63 could have been recruited elsewhere like Italy before being recruited in Galicia. The Grundbuchblatter on film at the LDS .may include Italians for the years before the regiment number was assigned to Galicia. Numbers up to 80 are pretty much stationary once the regiment was established except that their recruiting districts also changed when the next 22 regiments were added in 1883. Numbers over 80 do not include names of any soldiers who served before 1883. To learn more about a given regiment get Alphons von Wrede's history (Geschicht) of the Austrian Army -- the volume for infantry (Fuss - foot soldiers) and the one for Cavalry (Kavallerie). There is a short history of each regiment on the first page dedicated to each. It tells when and where it was first raised and if it gave up any battalions to new regiments formed in 1860 and 1883. There may also be notes about earlier changes on that page. The book is in German. Just make copies of all the pages for each regiment of interest and study them later. Look for the sentences that include a year of interest. Frank's 1880 list of regiments includes the years when many of us are interested in ancestral service. It is valid from 1860-1883. That period includes the wars in Denmark in 1864 and the very bloody Austro-Prussian war in 1866 that resulted in emigration of many German Bohemians during the next few years. I don't know if it had the same effect on the Galician population. Be sure to keep a copy of Frank's list if you had any ancestors from Galicia. Karen In a message dated 3/9/2006 9:13:57 PM Mountain Standard Time, frank@soural.com writes: Folks, for what its worth, my 1880 Austrian Militaer Schematismus** shows the following Galician Infantry Regiments (IR’s): Note: This will help pinpoint places and identify what constituted Galicia in the 19th Century. * IR 9, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, headquartered in Olmuetz, Olomouc (Moravia) Recruiting district of STRYJ, Galicia. This IR was established in 1725. * IR 10, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarters and Recruiting district in Przemysl, Galicia. This Regiment existed since 1745 * IR 13, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarters and recruiting district Command in Krakau, (Krakov now Poland), established in 1640. * IR 15, Galizisches Infantry Regiment, Headquarters in Josephstadt, Recruiting district, Tarnopol. Regiments exist since 1701. * IR 20, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment , Headquarters in Vienna. Recruiting district Neu Sandec. Established in 1681. * IR 24, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarters in Visegrad. Recruiting district of Kolomea. * IR 30, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headqarters and Recruiting district in Lemberg. Existed since 1723. * IR 45. Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquartered in Maglaj, Recruiting district Sanok. * IR 55, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarters in Lemberg, Recruiting district Brzezan. * IR 56, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarters in Krakau, Recruiting district Wadovice. * IR 57, Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquarter in Troppau (Opava, CR) Recruiting district Tarnov. * IR 58 Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, headquarters in Vienna. Recruiting district Stanislau est. 1763. * IR 77 Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, Headquartered in Koeniggraetz (Hradec Kralove, CR) recruiting in Sambor. Est.1860 * IR 80 Galizisches Infantrie Regiment, headquarters in Lemberg, Recruited in district Zlocsov. Cavalry 10th Galizisches Dragoner Regiment, HQ in Stuhlweissenburg and recruited from Tarnopol. 11th Galizisches Dragoner Regiment. HQ in Czegled, Recruitment district Sambor In addition there was a Galizisches Feld-Jaeger, Battallion with HQ in Jaroslau recruiting in the district of Stanislau. And at least 6 Galician Uhlanen Regiments (Lancers) with recruitment from the above districts. ** Note on the Military Schematismus. It is a 1000 page “Who was who” in the Army and Navy of the Dual Monarchy in the year published and lists names in the Regimental Command, right down to Lieutenants, Cadets, medical staff and regimental Accountants, but not the Ranks. The Kriegsarchiv (War Archive) in Vienna has all of the Schematisma on display for review by the public (years 1700’s – 1918) They are a rare commodity on the private market. If you can get one you will have to pay a steep price.

Could it be the city of Galatz? See: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galaţi Ernst Am Fri, 10 Mar 2006 01:14:03 +0100 hat aida kraus <akibb1@verizon.net> geschrieben: > No problem here with Galicia, thanks, Laurence, and I have got that map. > But there is supposedly a Galacia too. Still don't know where that is. > Aida >

info@volksbund.de The Kontack page linked on the left of the grave finders home page lists the above for Email contact. Karen

Aida, For the x'ed time...please note: The Roll map is INCORRECT regarding Galicia. Galicia is not where Roll has it located. The map has other errors, but have no time to send correction to him. There are many errors on the Internet. _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak aida kraus wrote: > > Ole!! > Thank you so much for your very informative description of the Spanish area!!! Gracias! The "Rolls map" I found on the Internet has "Galacia" printed on it in the area of Galicia. We are aware of Galicia in Spain and their probably Celtic culture. Thank you most profoundly! Just wanted to make sure not to have "missed" something. > Aida

Hello Karen, That region in Spain is also spelled Galicia - Galacia is a mispelling of Galicia(there are two): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_%28Spain%29 _______ Lavrentiy Krupniak KarenHob@aol.com wrote: > > There is a Galacia in Spain. > > I sometimes get hits for Spain when I am researchin Galicia. > I think that also happens when searching the LDS catalog. > Try to fin a way to limit you searches to exclude the Spanish > sound-alike. > > See http://www.spainhomes.org/maps/Galacia.php > > Karen >

Please note that Galicia was never part of the Russian Empire. The statistics that Roll has, which Aida provides below, provides the ethnic composition of the European portion of the Russian Empire (i.e. the statistics do not show the ethnic composition of Galicia). ________ Lavrentiy Krupniak aida kraus wrote: > > If you give subject website a bit time to completely download, you will > find text below it. I am copying some of the information here, so that you > can go to the Schtetl seeker for the Jewish population in that area. > Although this website is geared towards German settlements in these areas, > they have a demograpy (see below) and it is a historic fact that where there > were German settlements there were Jewish settlements as well. You can see > that there is more Jewish population than German. > Aida > The text below is from that map link, so be sure to download it completely! > > a.. The first offical Russian census was held in 1897, highlighting the > following ethnic groups in millions: > 55 - Russians > 22 - Ukrainians > 8 - Poles > 6 - White Russians > 5 - Jews > 4 - Balts > 3 - Caucasians > 2 - Germans (rounded from 1.8) > > "The following villages were established: 1894 - Podsosnovo; 1906 - Canes, > Nikolaevka; 1907 - Protasovo, Elizavetgrad, Telmanovo, Krasnoarmejka, > Marjanovka; 1908 - Gljaden, Udalnoe, Grishakovka, Orlovo, Kusak, Boronsk; > 1909 - Cloroshee, Mixajlovka; 1910 - Sambor, Shoomanovka, Nikolaevka; 1912 - > Ananjevka, Ekaterinovka, Serebropolje; and 1913 - Kamishenka. In total, the > Slavgorodsk District had 14 German settlements by 1907 and 16 by 1909. By > 1914, the German population in the district had more than 17 thousand men. > The first German settlements experienced religious segregation. The > Catholics settled in Olgino, Otradnoe, and Barskoe, and the Lutherans lived > in Novenkoe, Kruglenkoe, Podsosnovo and Prishib. Among the settlers were > Altai Mennonites. Altay Mennonites basically came from the earlier based > affiliated colonies of Orlovo-Zagradovskoi, Ufa, Samara, Orenburg, and the > Crimeas. In 1910, the German villages were incorporated into Oryol volosts > (small rural districts). In 1916, one more volost was formed with Xorise as > its center, which completed the formation of German settlements in Altai. > The settlers who arrived later were placed in the existing occupied > villages. " > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jo Davis" <scenmkr106@wowway.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:44 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > > > What's missing or wrong with this 1700 - 1800 German-Russian Settlement > > map, Lavrentiy? > > << http://www.rollintl.com/roll/grsettle.htm >> > > > > Would you, then, know anything about 'Jewish'-German local settlers in > > this time frame? Were they part of this "settlement" movement back then? > > How about the early 1900's? > > > > I appreciate any comments. > > > > Jo Davis > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

aida kraus wrote: > > No problem here with Galicia, thanks, Laurence, and I have got that map. But > there is supposedly a Galacia too. Still don't know where that is. > Aida ********* Hello Aida, Galatia, which was an area of central Anatolia, is often spelled "Galacia", which is incorrect: Here is an example of using "Galacia" rather than Galatia: From: http://www.enjoyturkey.com/Tours/Interest/Biblicals/Biblical3.htm Missionary Trips of Saint Paul Third Missionary Trip Acts 18:23-28; 19-21 When Paul started his third missionary trip, the city in his mind is Ephesus and that was the main aim of his third trip. On the way to Ephesus, he revisited some of the cities of Galacia and traveled to Ephesus where he worked 2 and half years. Here is a description of Galatia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia ********* There is also a region in Spain called Galicia. Sometimes that region is spelled Galacia, which is incorrect. ********** And, the Galicia located in East Central Eruope is sometimes spelled Galacia, which is also incorrect. In summary, Galacia is a mispelling. _________ Lavrentiy Krupniak .

OK will disregard this map..... I am using the one you sent as link. thank you! Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@erols.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Galicia / Galacia > Aida, > > For the x'ed time...please note: > > > The Roll map is INCORRECT regarding Galicia. > > Galicia is not where Roll has it located. > > > The map has other errors, but have no time to send correction to him. > There are many errors on the Internet. > > > _______ > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > > > > > > > > aida kraus wrote: >> >> Ole!! >> Thank you so much for your very informative description of the Spanish >> area!!! Gracias! The "Rolls map" I found on the Internet has "Galacia" >> printed on it in the area of Galicia. We are aware of Galicia in Spain >> and their probably Celtic culture. Thank you most profoundly! Just >> wanted to make sure not to have "missed" something. >> Aida > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

Thank you Laurence! Aida ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@erols.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 7:21 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Aida's link to Roll Map, re Galicia Settlements > aida kraus wrote: >> >> No problem here with Galicia, thanks, Laurence, and I have got that map. >> But >> there is supposedly a Galacia too. Still don't know where that is. >> Aida > > > ********* > > Hello Aida, > > Galatia, which was an area of central Anatolia, is often spelled > "Galacia", which is incorrect: > > Here is an example of using "Galacia" rather than Galatia: > > From: http://www.enjoyturkey.com/Tours/Interest/Biblicals/Biblical3.htm > > Missionary Trips of Saint Paul > > Third Missionary Trip > > Acts 18:23-28; 19-21 > > When Paul started his third missionary trip, > the city in his mind is Ephesus and that was > the main aim of his third trip. On the way to > Ephesus, he revisited some of the cities of > Galacia and traveled to Ephesus where he > worked 2 and half years. > > > Here is a description of Galatia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galatia > > > ********* > > > There is also a region in Spain called Galicia. Sometimes that > region is spelled Galacia, which is incorrect. > > > ********** > > And, the Galicia located in East Central Eruope is sometimes spelled > Galacia, which is also incorrect. > > > > In summary, Galacia is a mispelling. > > > _________ > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > > . > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >