An article in the Madison newspaper about South Dakota's cloture of vital records is at: http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1302&dept_id=181990&newsid=16363742&PAG =461&rfi=9 It appears that a membership card in a genealogical society is needed to get access. Karen

There is an Atlas of Canada on line at: http://atlas.gc.ca/site/english/index.html It also contains historical data and identifies the Canadian regions of the past that may have been cited in genelogical records. Those regions include "upper Canada" and "lower Canada" If you type those phrases in the little search window and click on the arrow you get historical information about what they mean and what territory they included. Click on the header / link of each paragraph to display the historical map. If your browser does not display the maps try using a different browser. I could not get an old historical map to display on AOL but when I switched to FireFox and went to the same website it displayed just fine. Karen

The proposed cloture of Colorado vital records has passed the house and senate. The senate version has two ammendments that are credited to the efforts of a Colorago genealogist, Julie Miller. She is quoted at: http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2006/04/kudos_to_julie_.html#mo re " Colorado Senate passed HB 1357 after adding two amendments: The first amendment (L.003) opens marriage applications after 50 years. This was a compromise which we proposed at the committee meeting last week. The second amendment (L.004), which was proposed by Private Investigators, could also benefit genealogists. This amendment allows anyone to apply to the district court, which may at its discretion and with good cause, order that the marriage application be inspected. In effect, this provision affects those records less than 50 years from the date of the marriage application. The amended bill still needs to pass the House and then it will go to the Governor for his signature. This is a success compared to what the public would have had as the bill was originally proposed - no access at all. Our success was a direct result of your letters and calls. Without the passage of amendment L.003, all Colorado marriage applications would be closed forever. With the amendment, marriage applications before 1956 are open records."

There are some of our ancestors whose ships may have gone to England and then to the US. Others may have worked in England for a while before leaving for the US. The following new database under development may interest those list members or members who also have Irish or English ancestors. ------------------------------- April 03, 2006, Eastman's online Genealogy Newsletter. U.K. Port Embarkations Online 1837online.com has signed a £2.5 million ($4.32 million U.S.) deal to scan and place online the National Archives' entire historical database of passengers who embarked on sea voyages from Britain's shores between 1890 and 1960. The estimated 30 million individual records include details of emigrations to Australia, North and South America, India and Africa. 1837online.com will begin scanning the originals this month and aims to have the records online towards the end of this year.

New website for storing family photos. http://genlib.blogspot.com/2006/04/amiglia-social-photo-storage-for.html The service is free with a limit or you can get unlimited access for an annual fee. I don't know what the rules are for sharing the photos and accompanying data with non-members. There is a sample at: http://mann.amiglia.com/a/?a=FamilyTree Click on the family tree baloons to see the result. Karen

Congratulations! I was CERTAIN you needed to talk to Gerhard! I am so happy to hear that has worked out. Just a comment about all of our G-B genealogy family... I helped Gerhard a few months ago (with not quite as happy a result)... now he has helped you. I knew he would, but he has been most generous with his time. In fact, he is probably excited that he has probably another distant American relative. But someday, I hope you will be in a position to help someone else. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Donald Feldbruegge<mailto:dhfeldbr@chorus.net> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 03, 2006 5:54 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Report on my search Hi, I don't know if any of you recall, but about 2 weeks ago I sent an inquiry that was especially directed to Gerhard Reichl. He had the same last name as my wife, who I have been researching, and was from Neudorf as was my wife. I had been frustrated for over ten years in all attempts to connect my wife's family to a location in Bohemia, due to the village Neudorf being very common in Bohemia. Well, guess what -- Gerhard contacted me. We began comparing notes. Last week he made a quick trip across the border to the district where Neodorf is located. He found the 1869 census -- and there they were, my wife's family. There can be no doubt at all that this is it, the one Neudorf among over 30 Neudorf villages in Bohemia. And one other thing the census showed was that Wenzl Reichl's mother and father (and brother) were living with them. At this time, the connection between Gerhard's ancestors and my wife's ancestors has not been made, but I'm convinced it will be there, likely one more generation back. Gerhard will be going to Pilsen (Plzn) during the Easter vacation to search the records. So this is meant to tell everyone that success can be had, even if it needs a lot of luck and good timing. Much thanks to this mailing list, and of course a real special thanks to Gerhard (hugs and kisses). Best regardsw, Don Feldbruegge ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To browse the archives, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/>

Hi, I don't know if any of you recall, but about 2 weeks ago I sent an inquiry that was especially directed to Gerhard Reichl. He had the same last name as my wife, who I have been researching, and was from Neudorf as was my wife. I had been frustrated for over ten years in all attempts to connect my wife's family to a location in Bohemia, due to the village Neudorf being very common in Bohemia. Well, guess what -- Gerhard contacted me. We began comparing notes. Last week he made a quick trip across the border to the district where Neodorf is located. He found the 1869 census -- and there they were, my wife's family. There can be no doubt at all that this is it, the one Neudorf among over 30 Neudorf villages in Bohemia. And one other thing the census showed was that Wenzl Reichl's mother and father (and brother) were living with them. At this time, the connection between Gerhard's ancestors and my wife's ancestors has not been made, but I'm convinced it will be there, likely one more generation back. Gerhard will be going to Pilsen (Plzn) during the Easter vacation to search the records. So this is meant to tell everyone that success can be had, even if it needs a lot of luck and good timing. Much thanks to this mailing list, and of course a real special thanks to Gerhard (hugs and kisses). Best regardsw, Don Feldbruegge

In a message dated 4/1/2006 10:29:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, fredmoretz@earthlink.net writes: My ancestor, Simon Moriz and his family left Susice(Schtenhofen) and came to Hessen in 1650. I have his marriage record in the Hessen church. Can anyone tell me what route they and the others who came with them would have taken from Bohemia to their new home? Thanks for any help. ---------------------------- Fred, That is not an easy answer. One would expect they had the usual household necessaries like sheets, blankets and towels, pots and pans and cleaning supplies. There are many things that would impact what they took with them: -- did they have a horse or cow to pull a wagon or did they walk all the way with only what they could carry --if they had a trade did it require brining special tools and equiiopment or raw materials (a weaving loom and spinning wheel? Blacksmith tools? Farming implements?) --did they live in a large house or in a little "welfare" cottage --could they read and write (probably not) --how qyuickly did they have to depart at a time when many Germans were moving into Bohemia (they may not have been catholic and moved because of that) --did they sneak out of Bohemia or depart openly (if they were serfs they had to have the noble lord's permission to leave) --how many children did they have --did they have any large pieces of furniture (armoires, beds with wooden canopies, Eckbank (corner table setups) --did they have items like an heirloom creche diorama they set up at Christmastime --did they have any chickens, geese, goats or other livestock --was their route secure or dangerouse (robbers? border guards to avoid?) I'm sure other list members can think of more factors that would impact how much and what they took with them. Karen

OMG ! How did you find this ???? At first I was looking at that handwritten list and could harldy understand the writing and then BAM I saw the 4 Wallmanns (Wohlmans) that I know. Woo Hoo!!! I had been searching for something like this for years. How did you find it? This is interesting. I never heard mention of a baby that died. I wish I could read this handwriting better. You say the ship name was Mosel? I thought it looked more like North ...something in that handwriting. The port city is Bremen.....does that help at all with finding what city they originated from? What should I do next? Thanks again, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family -- arrival!!! >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:22:47 -0500 > >Hah! Found 'em! I considered that there is not really the name Henry in >German, so he is probably Heinrich. Here they are, I can send image to >e-mail. >Arriving July 6, 1878 New York on the Mosel, departure Bremen, > Heinrich Wallmann 47 farmer Bohemia > Barbara " 42 wife " > Antonia 12 child > Emma 2 child > Josef 6 mon. child > >Josef undoubtedly died, but that only explains the missing child who died. >The death rate for babies from ship was very high. Several of my families >have babies who died almost right away, probably caught something icky on >board. I will try to look through and see if there are any people with >same surname. Trouble is, could be a married daughter on board, and I >wouldn't know. So obits would definitely be in order. > >Also consider, the pronunciation of German "W" is V, so some American >records could show up as Vollman or something like that. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

Kathy: I am confused about the Grundbuchblatter Diverse. I have only been able to get to this page: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?display=titledetails&titleno=489271&disp=Grundbuchbl%C3%A4tter+Diverse%3A+B%C3%B6%20%20&columns=*,0,0 I don't see how to look up surnames from this. Thanks, Pam >From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:06:44 -0500 > >I looked at the Grundbuchblatter Diverse at Family Search.org and there are >4 films that have surnames beginning with Wo - >Wodiczka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012683 >Wokal - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012684 >Wolf - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012685 >Wondra - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012686 >Worisek - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012687 >Wotypka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012688 > > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:50 AM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > >In a message dated 4/2/2006 10:21:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, >lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this > source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem >to > be a way to search names from that source. > > >You go to your local LDS Family History Center and order that film for the >letter "Wo...".. > >When you look through the film all the surnames are very easy to read. > >Just make a hard copy of all the records with that name and study the >details >they contain later. The place of birth will be the data in the first >column on >the left under the name. Place, county or Herrschaft, Kreis and Land in >that >descending order. > >Karen > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

Ladies - Once you have found your film and need help with the German "Kurrent" script drop me a line. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Kathleen Gregory [mailto:gregory@giantcomm.net] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 9:39 PM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family Sorry, I should have told you to click on 'View Film Notes'. It lists all the films by surname alphabetically. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: PJ V [mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:55 PM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family Kathy: I am confused about the Grundbuchblatter Diverse. I have only been able to get to this page: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=titledetails&titleno=489271&disp=Grundbuchbl%C3%A4tter+Diverse%3A+B%C3% B6%20%20&columns=*,0,0 I don't see how to look up surnames from this. Thanks, Pam >From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:06:44 -0500 > >I looked at the Grundbuchblatter Diverse at Family Search.org and there are >4 films that have surnames beginning with Wo - >Wodiczka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012683 >Wokal - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012684 >Wolf - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012685 >Wondra - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012686 >Worisek - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012687 >Wotypka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012688 > > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:50 AM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > >In a message dated 4/2/2006 10:21:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, >lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this > source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem >to > be a way to search names from that source. > > >You go to your local LDS Family History Center and order that film for the >letter "Wo...".. > >When you look through the film all the surnames are very easy to read. > >Just make a hard copy of all the records with that name and study the >details >they contain later. The place of birth will be the data in the first >column on >the left under the name. Place, county or Herrschaft, Kreis and Land in >that >descending order. > >Karen > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.4/299 - Release Date: 3/31/2006

Sounds very interesting. Thank you ! >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family - arrival pages >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:44:21 -0500 > >I will send in private e-mail the pages for 2 more from the Mosel, that >have families from Bohemia on them. They do travel together, frequently, >from the same area, so it can be worthwhile to follow them, see if they >turn up in the same area. Also page 1, which has the captain's name on it >and all. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? >To search the archives, go to: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

OK, I will go back and see if I can figure out how to seach these . Thanks. >From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:06:44 -0500 > >I looked at the Grundbuchblatter Diverse at Family Search.org and there are >4 films that have surnames beginning with Wo - >Wodiczka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012683 >Wokal - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012684 >Wolf - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012685 >Wondra - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012686 >Worisek - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012687 >Wotypka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012688 > > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:50 AM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > >In a message dated 4/2/2006 10:21:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, >lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this > source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem >to > be a way to search names from that source. > > >You go to your local LDS Family History Center and order that film for the >letter "Wo...".. > >When you look through the film all the surnames are very easy to read. > >Just make a hard copy of all the records with that name and study the >details >they contain later. The place of birth will be the data in the first >column on >the left under the name. Place, county or Herrschaft, Kreis and Land in >that >descending order. > >Karen > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

Thanks for looking all that up! Yes, I had also found those same census records myself and came to those same conclusions that there could be other children in other areas. I don't think I've ever found any other "Wohlmans, Wollman's Wallman's Woolman's etc" in Huron County of that time. However, I suppose it's possible their children were married daughters in which case their surnames would all be different. I believe their country of origin was once stated as Germany, Austria and Bohemia all at different times. As for church, my great grand mother Antonia married Henry Klug who was a Lutheran and they apparently must have attended a Rock Falls Church in Ruth, Micigan. Henry Klug was buried at Rock Falls Cemetary. Antonia was buried at a different cemetary through Sawyer Funeral home in Royal Oak. I think her cemetary was White Chapel in Troy, Michigan. I don't think there is any data other than the names of her parents found from those sources. The hunt continues! Thanks, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family - census >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:49:43 -0500 > >Okay, I started with a quick look at census, found them in both 1880 and >1900 without problem. I see Henry, Barbara, Antonia, and Emma living in >White Rock Village in Huron County in 1880, ages 43, 40, 16 and 5. So >Antonia is right on, but as is typical in census, ages can be off for >adults. By this, Emma would not have been 5 when she immigrated if they >came in 1878. The name is spelled Wollman in this census. In 1900, it is >spelled Woolman, the parents live in Sherman in Huron County. In 1900 get >Henry b. Oct. 1833, Barbara b. Oct. 1837, probably more accurate. >Immigration 1878, and he has papers applied for. So-- there probably is >Declaration of Intent to find for him. That could be useful, especially >after 1900. She is mother of 6, 5 living. Okay! We have some more >children to find. They are probably older than Antonia, so at the 1880 >census, they were married off, or working on another farm, or something >like that; or adult children may not have immigrated.! > She was probably oldest child still at home. > >Well, I would definitely get EVERYBODY's obituaries in a local newspaper, >and see the mention of other children or siblings. And looks for boys >named similar spelling in county or nearby. And look through church >records for Catholic churches in that county and nearby for marriages of >other children. > >Note that in 1880 census, origin is listed as Germany and in 1900 Austria. >This is very common with German-Bohemians, you see this all over (my >families show Germany, Bohemia, and Austria for the very same family, too, >and I do know where they're from). Bohemia was part of the >Austro-Hungarian Empire at the time of immigration, so Austria shows up a >lot. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? >To search the archives, go to: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Well, the thing is that I do know the entire history of who my great grand mother Antonia Wohlman married, including their wedding date and the church and where they were burried and pretty much all their children's birthdates and who they all married. We have lost track of where all the descendants are except for a few. I just don't know much about the prior generation .....in other words all I know about my great grand mother Antonia's parents is their names and estimated birth years. I have found them in the census of 1880, 1900, and 1910.......living in White Rock (Sherman Twp) of Huron County, Michigan. I still don't know where they came from in Bohemia and if they brought other children with them other than daughters Antonia and Emma. In FamilySearch.org I do see Wallmann, Wollmann and a few other spellings but all of the first names and birth years are different so how can I link any of these to my relatives? I wished that they would show the family trees of those Wallmann and Wollman people. As for my Wohlman's I do believe that's how they intended to spell the name because one of Antonia's children had "Wohlman" as his middle name. It is also written that way in Antonia's Funeral Guest book where they state who her father was....."Henry Wohlman" Thanks, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:20:18 -0500 > >Hmm, having gone through some of those basic sources, I think there might >be better ways to go about it. First, there WILL absolutely be >misspellings in American records of a name like Wohlman. In fact, >shouldn't it be Wohlmann in German? I would not rule out any names like >Wallmann or anything like it. I could also see it be spelled Wölmann and >lots of other ways. It would be better to look at first names of the >family members when you have anything close. >Now try going back to look at the more specific records for the county to >which they immigrated. Go to rootsweb and find that county and see what is >offered. Michigan has some major league databases for marriages, etc. If >you can figure out which Catholic church in which the marriages of the >children occurred, perhaps one of them will have the place where they were >born listed. You need to look at ALL of the children's marriages and >deaths, and all of the naturalization papers (hoping there are some boys). >Having figured out the Catholic church, check out some of their friends, >the people who were the godparents on baptisms, etc. They hang out with >the home crowd usually. In fact, they frequently marry some of the home >crowd. Look at local history for the church, and for the town. There may >be some clues. >Linda > ----- Original Message ----- > From: PJ V<mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com> > To: >GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 10:25 PM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > > > Thanks Karen. > > I went to FamilySearch.org and typed in the name "Wohlman" and got >results > showing many various spellings.......none were spelled as "Wohlman" >though. > None of them match the ancestors I know of. In Michigan there >was > Wallmann, and Wollmann all from Oberuldingen or Linden. There was >one > Antonia Wallmann born in 1841. My great grandmother Antonia Wohlman >was > born in 1864. I would like to see the family trees of the Wallmann's >in > Michigan to see if there is a relation but they don't show that. >They > just show the person's name and date of birth with very little else. > > I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this > source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem >to > be a way to search names from that source. > > I will try writing to Alfred. > > Thanks, Pam > > > > > From: KarenHob@aol.com<mailto:KarenHob@aol.com> > Reply-To: >GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > To: >GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:16:51 EST > >In a message dated 4/1/2006 12:25:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, > >netkitty@hotmail.com writes: > >I am searching for information on the Wohlman family from Bohemia. >My > >Great Grand Mother was Antonia Wohlman (b.1864 - d. 1941) who >immigrated > >abt > >1878 with her parents Henry Wohlman (b. > >1833) and Barbara (b. 1837)to Sherman, Michigan (Harbor Beach). >We > >know that her little sister Emma was 5 at the time when they >immigrated. > >Census records say that Henry and > >Barbara had a total of 5 children but we have never heard mention of > >others. Antonia married Henry Klug. Emma married William Pipper. > >Did you find the same number of children on all subsequent census? > >Maybe some of the children died. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have a porcelain figurine that she brought with her from the old >country > >and I wonder if I could post a picture of it here? I wonder if it >would > >look familiar to anyone as far as location of origin > >Mailing lists do not accept attachments. > > > >A lot of Bohemian porcelain came from the Bohemian forest area > >along the border with Bavaria. > > > >A lot of people from that same area went to Michigan. > > > > > > > >Unfortunately I don't know what city my Wohlman ancestors came > >from. They spoke German. In census records they at one time said >the > >came from Bohemia, then another time Austria. I have never heard > >their > >city of origin. > >Look for the name Wohlman or Wohlmann in the film at the LDS > >titled: Grundbuchblatter Diverse > > > >If Henry is in there, typically he would be in the records of men who > >served beginning in 1853. He may even have been involved in > >the war in Italy in 1859. > > > >You may find an earlier ancestor mentioned there. > >If you find any Wohlmann /Wohlman copy the record and then see what >the > >place of birth for each is. > > > >Go to LDS website: FamilySearch.org > >Type both spellings of Wohlman (one at a time) in the surname search >box > >on the home page and click search. > > > >Write to Alfred Piwonka and ask if the name Wohlman is found in > >the villages of the Bohemian forest. > >APiwonka@t-online.de > > > >Alfred is the coordinator for surnames in that area -- called a >"Betreuer" > >Introduce yourself, let him know if you can read German even if you > >can't write it. Write in English but just ask simple one line > >questions...no compound sentences. > > > > >>Is anyone else researching Wohlman? > > > >Do a surname search at the LDS library catalog search page to find out >if > >others have submitted research on the name. > > > >Karen > > > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > >Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >list? > >To browse the archives, go to: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > > > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html<http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html> > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

Not found on Palmer List of Merchant Vessels (but here is address in case other people want to look for theirs) http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/<http://www.geocities.com/mppraetorius/> Did find in Ships of Our Ancestors, will scan and send. Linda

Sorry, I should have told you to click on 'View Film Notes'. It lists all the films by surname alphabetically. Kathy -----Original Message----- From: PJ V [mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 6:55 PM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family Kathy: I am confused about the Grundbuchblatter Diverse. I have only been able to get to this page: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=titledetails&titleno=489271&disp=Grundbuchbl%C3%A4tter+Diverse%3A+B%C3% B6%20%20&columns=*,0,0 I don't see how to look up surnames from this. Thanks, Pam >From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:06:44 -0500 > >I looked at the Grundbuchblatter Diverse at Family Search.org and there are >4 films that have surnames beginning with Wo - >Wodiczka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012683 >Wokal - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012684 >Wolf - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012685 >Wondra - FHL INTL Film [NL]2012686 >Worisek - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012687 >Wotypka - VAULT INTL Film [NL]2012688 > > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 11:50 AM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > >In a message dated 4/2/2006 10:21:59 AM Mountain Standard Time, >lindatherkela@msn.com writes: > I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this > source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem >to > be a way to search names from that source. > > >You go to your local LDS Family History Center and order that film for the >letter "Wo...".. > >When you look through the film all the surnames are very easy to read. > >Just make a hard copy of all the records with that name and study the >details >they contain later. The place of birth will be the data in the first >column on >the left under the name. Place, county or Herrschaft, Kreis and Land in >that >descending order. > >Karen > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html

yeah, that handwriting is tough. Unfortunately, there are not Bremen departure lists, though I have heard that that may not be true, some reconstruction may be going on. Pretty much all the Bohemians departed through Bremen or Hamburg, so doesn't really do anything. But, you know when they arrived. The baby Josef's death may be recorded in the local Catholic church records in White Rock or whatever. I found the same for several of my families, no one ever mentioned any baby who died, but did find the baby in the church records after knowing to look for the baby from the passenger list. I found it on Ancestry.com; when I didn't find it through looking through Wohlman variant spellings, I switched to trying Heinrich. With the crummy handwriting, you can see where there can be indexing difficulties. Yep, that does say Mosel. It's with the Lloyd shipping line. Might be able to find a picture... Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: PJ V<mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 8:09 PM Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family -- arrival!!! OMG ! How did you find this ???? At first I was looking at that handwritten list and could harldy understand the writing and then BAM I saw the 4 Wallmanns (Wohlmans) that I know. Woo Hoo!!! I had been searching for something like this for years. How did you find it? This is interesting. I never heard mention of a baby that died. I wish I could read this handwriting better. You say the ship name was Mosel? I thought it looked more like North ...something in that handwriting. The port city is Bremen.....does that help at all with finding what city they originated from? What should I do next? Thanks again, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com<mailto:lindatherkela@msn.com>> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman family -- arrival!!! >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 13:22:47 -0500 > >Hah! Found 'em! I considered that there is not really the name Henry in >German, so he is probably Heinrich. Here they are, I can send image to >e-mail. >Arriving July 6, 1878 New York on the Mosel, departure Bremen, > Heinrich Wallmann 47 farmer Bohemia > Barbara " 42 wife " > Antonia 12 child > Emma 2 child > Josef 6 mon. child > >Josef undoubtedly died, but that only explains the missing child who died. >The death rate for babies from ship was very high. Several of my families >have babies who died almost right away, probably caught something icky on >board. I will try to look through and see if there are any people with >same surname. Trouble is, could be a married daughter on board, and I >wouldn't know. So obits would definitely be in order. > >Also consider, the pronunciation of German "W" is V, so some American >records could show up as Vollman or something like that. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN<http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN>

Do you have death dates for the parents? You really need to get all the obituaries. By age, it is possible that Barbara could have had children AFTER 1880. And, that they could be married by 1900. As I recall, Michigan has state census in 1884 and 1894. I would ABSOLUTELY get those census records. You will have to follow every clue, from every child and sib. Do you have Antonia's obit? If she was one of the older children, then perhaps most of the sibs survived her. If one of the sibs was married in a Catholic church, you may have better luck. Whether or not they intended to spell it Wohlman, it matters how OTHER record keepers messed it up. And we all know, they misspell names in very creative ways! Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: PJ V<mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com> To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 5:46 PM Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family - census Thanks for looking all that up! Yes, I had also found those same census records myself and came to those same conclusions that there could be other children in other areas. I don't think I've ever found any other "Wohlmans, Wollman's Wallman's Woolman's etc" in Huron County of that time. However, I suppose it's possible their children were married daughters in which case their surnames would all be different. I believe their country of origin was once stated as Germany, Austria and Bohemia all at different times. As for church, my great grand mother Antonia married Henry Klug who was a Lutheran and they apparently must have attended a Rock Falls Church in Ruth, Micigan. Henry Klug was buried at Rock Falls Cemetary. Antonia was buried at a different cemetary through Sawyer Funeral home in Royal Oak. I think her cemetary was White Chapel in Troy, Michigan. I don't think there is any data other than the names of her parents found from those sources. The hunt continues! Thanks, Pam >From: "Linda Therkelsen" <lindatherkela@msn.com<mailto:lindatherkela@msn.com>> >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family - census >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 11:49:43 -0500 > >Okay, I started with a quick look at census, found them in both 1880 and >1900 without problem. I see Henry, Barbara, Antonia, and Emma living in >White Rock Village in Huron County in 1880, ages 43, 40, 16 and 5. So >Antonia is right on, but as is typical in census, ages can be off for >adults. By this, Emma would not have been 5 when she immigrated if they >came in 1878. The name is spelled Wollman in this census. In 1900, it is >spelled Woolman, the parents live in Sherman in Huron County. In 1900 get >Henry b. Oct. 1833, Barbara b. Oct. 1837, probably more accurate. >Immigration 1878, and he has papers applied for. So-- there probably is >Declaration of Intent to find for him. That could be useful, especially >after 1900. She is mother of 6, 5 living. Okay! We have some more >children to find. They are probably older than Antonia, so at the 1880 >census, they were married off, or working on another farm, or something >like that; or adult children may not have immigrated.! > She was probably oldest child still at home. > >Well, I would definitely get EVERYBODY's obituaries in a local newspaper, >and see the mention of other children or siblings. And looks for boys >named similar spelling in county or nearby. And look through church >records for Catholic churches in that county and nearby for marriages of >other children. > >Note that in 1880 census, origin is listed as Germany and in 1900 Austria. >This is very common with German-Bohemians, you see this all over (my >families show Germany, Bohemia, and Austria for the very same family, too, >and I do know where they're from). Bohemia was part of the >Austro-Hungarian Empire at the time of immigration, so Austria shows up a >lot. >Linda > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? >To search the archives, go to: >http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To browse the archives, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/<http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/>

Sue, It's very hard to piece together facts with so little to go on isn't it? I wouldn't know if your Anna Wolman was related. My great great grandparents Henry and Barbara did have a total of 6 children and we've only known of two in Michigan. We think they immigrated around 1875 - 1878 but we haven't found their records of passage either. For me it is rare to find any other spellings of the "Wohlman" name like this in Michigan. Usually this spelling shows up in New York a lot. Pam From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 08:53:39 -0500 >Pam, my great great grandmother, Anna Wolman (as listed in the records of >St. Anthony's Catholic Church in Farwell, Howard Co., NE) who married >Joseph >Hurt before 1877, was from Bohemia. >They had a daughter baptized 29 May 1879 who was born 24 November 1878. A >second child, a son, was born 25 Aug 1882 and baptized 26 Aug 1882. In >the >1880 census for Howard Co., NE there are no other Wolman families listed. >Joseph and Ann are living with a man named Charles Walentz or Walenty I >have >never found Anna's immigration record. She was 18 in the 1880 census. >Joseph's parents, Johan and Maria Hurt, arrived at the port of New York on >14 March 1876 aboard the ship SS Weser. Joseph is said to have arrived 3 >years earlier but I have not found him. I have also never found Anna's >immigration information. > >Kathy > >-----Original Message----- >From: PJ V [mailto:netkitty@hotmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2006 9:25 PM >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family > >Thanks Karen. > >I went to FamilySearch.org and typed in the name "Wohlman" and got results >showing many various spellings.......none were spelled as "Wohlman" though. > None of them match the ancestors I know of. In Michigan there was >Wallmann, and Wollmann all from Oberuldingen or Linden. There was one >Antonia Wallmann born in 1841. My great grandmother Antonia Wohlman was >born in 1864. I would like to see the family trees of the Wallmann's in >Michigan to see if there is a relation but they don't show that. They >just show the person's name and date of birth with very little else. > >I did find Grundbuchblatter Diverse, but I don't know how to use this >source. I don't speak or understand German. There doesn't seem to >be a way to search names from that source. > >I will try writing to Alfred. > >Thanks, Pam > > > > >From: KarenHob@aol.com >Reply-To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Wohlman Family >Date: Sat, 1 Apr 2006 17:16:51 EST > >In a message dated 4/1/2006 12:25:17 PM Mountain Standard Time, > >netkitty@hotmail.com writes: > >I am searching for information on the Wohlman family from Bohemia. My > >Great Grand Mother was Antonia Wohlman (b.1864 - d. 1941) who immigrated > >abt > >1878 with her parents Henry Wohlman (b. > >1833) and Barbara (b. 1837)to Sherman, Michigan (Harbor Beach). We > >know that her little sister Emma was 5 at the time when they immigrated. > >Census records say that Henry and > >Barbara had a total of 5 children but we have never heard mention of > >others. Antonia married Henry Klug. Emma married William Pipper. > >Did you find the same number of children on all subsequent census? > >Maybe some of the children died. > > > > > > > > > > > >I have a porcelain figurine that she brought with her from the old >country > >and I wonder if I could post a picture of it here? I wonder if it would > >look familiar to anyone as far as location of origin > >Mailing lists do not accept attachments. > > > >A lot of Bohemian porcelain came from the Bohemian forest area > >along the border with Bavaria. > > > >A lot of people from that same area went to Michigan. > > > > > > > >Unfortunately I don't know what city my Wohlman ancestors came > >from. They spoke German. In census records they at one time said >the > >came from Bohemia, then another time Austria. I have never heard > >their > >city of origin. > >Look for the name Wohlman or Wohlmann in the film at the LDS > >titled: Grundbuchblatter Diverse > > > >If Henry is in there, typically he would be in the records of men who > >served beginning in 1853. He may even have been involved in > >the war in Italy in 1859. > > > >You may find an earlier ancestor mentioned there. > >If you find any Wohlmann /Wohlman copy the record and then see what the > >place of birth for each is. > > > >Go to LDS website: FamilySearch.org > >Type both spellings of Wohlman (one at a time) in the surname search box > >on the home page and click search. > > > >Write to Alfred Piwonka and ask if the name Wohlman is found in > >the villages of the Bohemian forest. > >APiwonka@t-online.de > > > >Alfred is the coordinator for surnames in that area -- called a >"Betreuer" > >Introduce yourself, let him know if you can read German even if you > >can't write it. Write in English but just ask simple one line > >questions...no compound sentences. > > > > >>Is anyone else researching Wohlman? > > > >Do a surname search at the LDS library catalog search page to find out if > >others have submitted research on the name. > > > >Karen > > > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > >Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >list? > >To browse the archives, go to: > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > > > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > > > >==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >