I know that lists exist, but am not sure where all are kept. I did trace a relative who had sent a letter after expulsion to my great-grandmother in America (who had actually died in 1941). Although some of my great-aunts did not know the significance and could not read German, one had kept a scrap of paper with the address on it, for a town in Germany. I wrote to the town mayor's office, and they did report that the relative was on the transport list, had never married, lived with a certain family, her occupation, and date of death. So the town held a transport list, at least for those transported to that town. This must have also had some recording of where they placed people, since German families had to take in those expelled. Also, many from a village in the Boehmerwald would end up in another village or town in Germany, but not uniformly so. Linda

In a message dated 6/4/2006 8:11:01 AM Mountain Standard Time, anderv@cyberlodge.com writes: does anyone know if there is a list of surnames availa ble of those who were displaced by the allies. Germans moved to Germany?????????????? The nome page of the website Aida pointed out is for the group established by former residents of the Boehmerwald. http://www.dbb-ev.de/ There is a small Edress on the left side of that page that is contact for that group. Ask them if they have a database for the places that interest you. Write with the understanding that some of the people in these groups are elderly and do not know English. Keep English sentences simple with one subjec and verb per sentence. Ask about people from your place and end by asking if they can refer you o someone who can help you. Explore that website. Each button on the left of the pagen leads to links. Heimatgruppen links to specific subgroups living in Germany. Links is another button that leads to specific groups and individuals. Alfred Piwonka has a card file of families from the Boehmerwald. His Edress published on some of the Heimat groups websites is: APiwonka@t-online.de Karen

Thank you Aida for this wonderful history lesson. I am just beginning to research my German-Bohemian ancestor's and learning alot right now. I know at some time I will need this list's help. Thank you. Linde ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald >I doubt it that there are lists of person that went with the Americans to >West Germany. Americans knew what was coming and took anyone with them who >wanted to leave. Those German Bohemians having some ties to the Nazi >Regime left on their own and took the chance to hop on the American trucks. >But here it must be explained here that German citizens were unable to >continue their profession under the Hitler regime (like as a doctor, >lawyer, industrialist or businessman) if you did not belong to the NSDAP, >the Nazi Party. All of these party members on the transport trucks of the >Americans were handed over at the border to the courts where they were put >into "Denazification" camps. They enjoyed there very decent treatment and >three full meals a day with classes during the day....and for us >Non-Members this seemed like a "cushy existence." The rest of us stayed >at home, we had nothing to fear, we just waited that the "old republic" >would establish itself again. Or so we thought...... > There must be deportation lists of all Germans in the Czech > archives, because everyone expelled went through a local camp and name > lists were checked off as the people were put into transports. > This process happened after most of the people had been thrown out of > their house and fleeced for their valuables. Most of our people found > shelter with neighbors or friends, who in turn were also booted out of > their homes and many of us saw these cruel displacements more than once. > The nicest homes were appropriated first in quite a horrible manner (spare > me the details!), then the next best category was selected for a > convenient location, the least desirable places were left to the last. > Into these abandoned garrets the remaining German population huddled > together, but there was no chance for invisibility, because every German > had to wear a white arm band when going out of the house. You never knew > when they "grabbed" you. Eventually, all of us were chased into camps and > sorted out for transports to either East or West Germany. The expulsion > was pretty much completed in 1947, the year the Czech people voted for a > Communist Regime with a sweeping majority. > What was left in the Czech Republic of our German Bohemians were > either mixed marriages with Czechs, or anti-fascist Germans, or those very > few that had belonged to the Communist Party before Hitler's occupation. > Then new transports - for these remaining people who had been loyal to the > Czech Republic - were formed. But these were transported to slave > labor - oh horror! - into the Interior of the Czech Republic .... and > promptly forgotten. It would have been better, had they been expelled. > It was my father and his friend, a Czech Police Director who > helped these scattered people. Our friend searched for our family in all > the expulsion transport records - and this is why I know that they exist - > and found us as slave laborers in the Interior. He and my father worked > together in making lists of Germans on these farms to be rescued. At that > time, Czechoslovakia no longer supported the expulsion, because they had > realized that mass transporting German people from their ancestral > homeland had left a horrible void very visible in the countryside and it > was quite near a collapse of their entire economy, because the industrial > section of the Czech Republic is mainly in the area of the Sudetenland. > The interior of the Czech Republic is mostly agricultural. What followed > in the years to come, was just a "real mess!" > Only 800,000 Czechs were taking over an area from where 3 > Million Germans had been expelled and that mistake was all to obvious in > 1948. I was able to remain in my homeland until December1948, so I have > seen the "aftermath" and it was not pretty: it was a decaying vacuum. > Then, the Czech government made it very difficult for anyone to leave. > German people had to pay for their release and their transport to Germany, > they were "held" rather than "expelled," but what was left of our group > was only a sad remainder. In other words who was still there were those > old loyal Republicans badly abused by the Country they supported. There > was no reason any longer to remain in a homeland that was highjacked by > Communists and slowly it dawned even on the Czech people that all this was > a bad mistake. > As we were able to gather information into what corners of the > Czech landscape our people had been scattered, my father and his Czech > friend (a Police Director loyal to the old Republic) tried desperately to > find them and rescue them. The news traveled steadily by word of mouth, > one person knew where another could be found. When we had a few together, > I typed transport lists in the office of my father's friend Velitel > Zlatohlavek at Maierhöfen near Karlsbad......... and I would say, that the > Czech Republic must have these lists in some archives somewhere!???!!! > After that, many like-minded Czechs followed their German > brethren in escaping from the Communist regime, and in most of the cases > they had to establish German connections to be able to leave to West > Germany. Many of our German Bohemian people had to go before the German > courts to vouchsafe the character of their Czech friends or families in > order that they were accepted in Germany. > A crazier scenario could not be contrived. > There is another later chapter to this. After the Prague Spring > another exodus started to West Germany from the Czech Republic, when > mostly "mixed marriage couples" were granted a leave for Germany, that is, > if they could bring proof of their family's connection to West Germany. > Between 1965-1968 another group, mostly of Czech ethnicity, escaped their > Communist country. It is a tragedy among all our Bohemian people, German > and Czech alike! And this tragedy for so many million of people was > contrived with a fewbold signatures on a document in Yalta and Potsdam by > politicians who let their hatred rule over their conscience. May future > politicians learn from this! > Aida > > --------------------------------------------------- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Veda Anderson" <anderv@cyberlodge.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:09 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald > > >> does anyone know if there is a list of surnames availa ble of those who >> were displaced by the allies. Germans moved to Germany?????????????? >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:35 AM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald >> >> >>> For anyone who wishes to look at some of the farms in the Boehmerwald, >>> (Bohemian forest, Sumava) >>> here is a link where you can see how some of the larger farms (Gutshof) >>> looked when the German owners lived there and what they found when they >>> came back to visit... Go to this link, it is one available in English. >>> Those of you who are from the Egerland, these larger farms had the same >>> architecture there and the tenant families lived there sometimes for >>> centuries with the owners. >>> On this page, there are also a few village names given and names >>> mentioned, just in case it would fit into your family. Forgive the >>> bitterness on this page, but a person robbed of their ancestral home >>> becomes "homeless" until the next generation plants their own roots into >>> a new homeland, wherever the wind of fate has scattered them since the >>> expulsion between 1945-1948, after WW2. German Bohemians lived for >>> centuries on their farms and each generation built on this inheritance >>> and "made it prettier" than it was before, this was their pride. Ours >>> was not a "moving or wandering" society, but a very earthbound one, and >>> the expulsion has impacted very harshly on these families. >>> Aida >>> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jschopper/englisch.htm >>> >>> >>> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >>> list? To browse the archives, go to: >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >>> >>> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >

does anyone know if there is a list of surnames availa ble of those who were displaced by the allies. Germans moved to Germany?????????????? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:35 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald > For anyone who wishes to look at some of the farms in the Boehmerwald, > (Bohemian forest, Sumava) > here is a link where you can see how some of the larger farms (Gutshof) > looked when the German owners lived there and what they found when they > came back to visit... Go to this link, it is one available in English. > Those of you who are from the Egerland, these larger farms had the same > architecture there and the tenant families lived there sometimes for > centuries with the owners. > On this page, there are also a few village names given and names > mentioned, just in case it would fit into your family. Forgive the > bitterness on this page, but a person robbed of their ancestral home > becomes "homeless" until the next generation plants their own roots into a > new homeland, wherever the wind of fate has scattered them since the > expulsion between 1945-1948, after WW2. German Bohemians lived for > centuries on their farms and each generation built on this inheritance and > "made it prettier" than it was before, this was their pride. Ours was not > a "moving or wandering" society, but a very earthbound one, and the > expulsion has impacted very harshly on these families. > Aida > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jschopper/englisch.htm > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > >

I doubt it that there are lists of person that went with the Americans to West Germany. Americans knew what was coming and took anyone with them who wanted to leave. Those German Bohemians having some ties to the Nazi Regime left on their own and took the chance to hop on the American trucks. But here it must be explained here that German citizens were unable to continue their profession under the Hitler regime (like as a doctor, lawyer, industrialist or businessman) if you did not belong to the NSDAP, the Nazi Party. All of these party members on the transport trucks of the Americans were handed over at the border to the courts where they were put into "Denazification" camps. They enjoyed there very decent treatment and three full meals a day with classes during the day....and for us Non-Members this seemed like a "cushy existence." The rest of us stayed at home, we had nothing to fear, we just waited that the "old republic" would establish itself again. Or so we thought...... There must be deportation lists of all Germans in the Czech archives, because everyone expelled went through a local camp and name lists were checked off as the people were put into transports. This process happened after most of the people had been thrown out of their house and fleeced for their valuables. Most of our people found shelter with neighbors or friends, who in turn were also booted out of their homes and many of us saw these cruel displacements more than once. The nicest homes were appropriated first in quite a horrible manner (spare me the details!), then the next best category was selected for a convenient location, the least desirable places were left to the last. Into these abandoned garrets the remaining German population huddled together, but there was no chance for invisibility, because every German had to wear a white arm band when going out of the house. You never knew when they "grabbed" you. Eventually, all of us were chased into camps and sorted out for transports to either East or West Germany. The expulsion was pretty much completed in 1947, the year the Czech people voted for a Communist Regime with a sweeping majority. What was left in the Czech Republic of our German Bohemians were either mixed marriages with Czechs, or anti-fascist Germans, or those very few that had belonged to the Communist Party before Hitler's occupation. Then new transports - for these remaining people who had been loyal to the Czech Republic - were formed. But these were transported to slave labor - oh horror! - into the Interior of the Czech Republic .... and promptly forgotten. It would have been better, had they been expelled. It was my father and his friend, a Czech Police Director who helped these scattered people. Our friend searched for our family in all the expulsion transport records - and this is why I know that they exist - and found us as slave laborers in the Interior. He and my father worked together in making lists of Germans on these farms to be rescued. At that time, Czechoslovakia no longer supported the expulsion, because they had realized that mass transporting German people from their ancestral homeland had left a horrible void very visible in the countryside and it was quite near a collapse of their entire economy, because the industrial section of the Czech Republic is mainly in the area of the Sudetenland. The interior of the Czech Republic is mostly agricultural. What followed in the years to come, was just a "real mess!" Only 800,000 Czechs were taking over an area from where 3 Million Germans had been expelled and that mistake was all to obvious in 1948. I was able to remain in my homeland until December1948, so I have seen the "aftermath" and it was not pretty: it was a decaying vacuum. Then, the Czech government made it very difficult for anyone to leave. German people had to pay for their release and their transport to Germany, they were "held" rather than "expelled," but what was left of our group was only a sad remainder. In other words who was still there were those old loyal Republicans badly abused by the Country they supported. There was no reason any longer to remain in a homeland that was highjacked by Communists and slowly it dawned even on the Czech people that all this was a bad mistake. As we were able to gather information into what corners of the Czech landscape our people had been scattered, my father and his Czech friend (a Police Director loyal to the old Republic) tried desperately to find them and rescue them. The news traveled steadily by word of mouth, one person knew where another could be found. When we had a few together, I typed transport lists in the office of my father's friend Velitel Zlatohlavek at Maierhöfen near Karlsbad......... and I would say, that the Czech Republic must have these lists in some archives somewhere!???!!! After that, many like-minded Czechs followed their German brethren in escaping from the Communist regime, and in most of the cases they had to establish German connections to be able to leave to West Germany. Many of our German Bohemian people had to go before the German courts to vouchsafe the character of their Czech friends or families in order that they were accepted in Germany. A crazier scenario could not be contrived. There is another later chapter to this. After the Prague Spring another exodus started to West Germany from the Czech Republic, when mostly "mixed marriage couples" were granted a leave for Germany, that is, if they could bring proof of their family's connection to West Germany. Between 1965-1968 another group, mostly of Czech ethnicity, escaped their Communist country. It is a tragedy among all our Bohemian people, German and Czech alike! And this tragedy for so many million of people was contrived with a fewbold signatures on a document in Yalta and Potsdam by politicians who let their hatred rule over their conscience. May future politicians learn from this! Aida --------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Veda Anderson" <anderv@cyberlodge.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald > does anyone know if there is a list of surnames availa ble of those who > were displaced by the allies. Germans moved to Germany?????????????? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 10:35 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Boehmerwald > > >> For anyone who wishes to look at some of the farms in the Boehmerwald, >> (Bohemian forest, Sumava) >> here is a link where you can see how some of the larger farms (Gutshof) >> looked when the German owners lived there and what they found when they >> came back to visit... Go to this link, it is one available in English. >> Those of you who are from the Egerland, these larger farms had the same >> architecture there and the tenant families lived there sometimes for >> centuries with the owners. >> On this page, there are also a few village names given and names >> mentioned, just in case it would fit into your family. Forgive the >> bitterness on this page, but a person robbed of their ancestral home >> becomes "homeless" until the next generation plants their own roots into >> a new homeland, wherever the wind of fate has scattered them since the >> expulsion between 1945-1948, after WW2. German Bohemians lived for >> centuries on their farms and each generation built on this inheritance >> and "made it prettier" than it was before, this was their pride. Ours >> was not a "moving or wandering" society, but a very earthbound one, and >> the expulsion has impacted very harshly on these families. >> Aida >> http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jschopper/englisch.htm >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To browse the archives, go to: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >> >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

Here is an outline to find ancestral villages in the Bohemian Forest Region. Click on this website below and then on the links given there under the village names....search on the hand-drawn detail maps for the village of your ancestors. 1. http://www.webingerhaus.de/rahmenkarten.html If you find the name of the village you are looking for, then go to this website to find the new Czech name. 2. http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/ and scroll down to "Ortsbeschreibung" where you will find an alphabet from which you can select the first letter of the German name of the village where your family came from. Although the entire text is in German, you can find the Czech name there, and also what church registers are available. Often there are several settlements registered at the same church. You will find and entry with "*" for birth, "oo" for marriage, and "+" for death registers and the years available. To read this page, you don't need a translation, it is self explanatory, just find the village names and the years. Everything listed there is on microfilm at the archives at Pilsen, but you have to hire a genealogist to retrieve it for you. To get more recent information you can key in the new Czech village name into this link: 3. www.mapy.cz This is a Czech website of that German village under the new Czech name, and there is a lot of information on this page, and also a map you can reduce or enlarge. I hope that this will give you a quicker way to go about your search. You will also find on this Czech map the GPS of subject village (i.e. Latitude and Longitude) and having this, you can go to a conventional detail map of your choice to find the exact location. On the gridmap link given below, almost every house is shown by a black dot. These maps are k&k military maps from before WW1, about the time your ancestors came to America. After you have followed the above steps, go to the map below and search by coordinates (Lat & Longt.): 4. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm Aida

Here is a link to pictures of our old villages. In most cases these are old postcards from the time when the original German population was living there. http://www.webingerhaus.de/rahmenkarten.html

For anyone who wishes to look at some of the farms in the Boehmerwald, (Bohemian forest, Sumava) here is a link where you can see how some of the larger farms (Gutshof) looked when the German owners lived there and what they found when they came back to visit... Go to this link, it is one available in English. Those of you who are from the Egerland, these larger farms had the same architecture there and the tenant families lived there sometimes for centuries with the owners. On this page, there are also a few village names given and names mentioned, just in case it would fit into your family. Forgive the bitterness on this page, but a person robbed of their ancestral home becomes "homeless" until the next generation plants their own roots into a new homeland, wherever the wind of fate has scattered them since the expulsion between 1945-1948, after WW2. German Bohemians lived for centuries on their farms and each generation built on this inheritance and "made it prettier" than it was before, this was their pride. Ours was not a "moving or wandering" society, but a very earthbound one, and the expulsion has impacted very harshly on these families. Aida http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/jschopper/englisch.htm

I would like to thank everyone who answered my inquiry about finding a detailed map of Bohemia. You are all so well informed and helpful. Thank you again. Rose

I apoplogize for sending that last letter to the list. It should have gone privately to a list member. There is some information there that may help list members find conferences and seminars in their local area. Karen

In a message dated 6/1/2006 10:20:29 PM Mountain Standard Time, frank@soural.com writes: How do they find these speakers? The FGS sends me a "call for proposals" for their conferences. I don't know how I got on their list. The NGS probably does the same but I don't know how you go about contacting them to get your name on their mailing lis for thos notices. You may find something at their website. I find that the FGS tends to select only speakers who are certified Genealogists. I have sent them proposals several times and have never been selected. When I look at the people who they choose they are often the same people over and over again with a few exceptions. When I learned about the Ohio conference I contacted the coordinator and asked if they only choose speakers with certification and she replied "not necessarily". I have until July to submit proposals but don't yet know if I will do it. There is also the Genealogy Speakers Guild: http://dir.genealogytoday.com/genealogy_speakers.html It is $35 per year to join and I am considering doing that. I get the impression that many groups refer to that membership to find their speakers. There is also a list of conferences already set to go posted at their website and each one refers you to a conference -- just search the web with the name of the sponsoring society. Those will help you to find a contact to request notification for their next conference call for proposals / papers. You may / may not get a reply so a followup to find out if they have added you to their mailing list may be necessary. Another possibility is at: http://www.geniespeak.com/ but that site is a lot harder to figure out. The references to groups who do conferences at any of these sites is the most useful. If you want to get basic, just do a web search with: Genealogy Society and explore the hits. Richard Eastman's newsletter often publishes calls for proposals. That is where I learned about the Ohio conference I am still considering. The calls for proposals can come out as much as 18 months before a conference. You can subscribe to the free edition of his newsletter if you search with his name and just go to his website. Karen

http://landing.ancestry.com/military/vday/world.aspx SOME WW II draft cards data are not on line at Ancestry.com. Access Ancestry free through public libraries and family histoory centers with subscritions. The data on line at present is from the "fouth regiestration" after enactment of the draft law in 1940. It covers the period from April 27, 1942 when men who were between the ages of 45 and 64 were registered. The data includes the men's names, DOB, birthplace and employment data. There is also a physical description and the name and address of someone to contact to know the registrant's whereabouts. There may aslo be details including a registration number and other data that may be helpful for obtaining copies of documents. Not all of the listings have all the data. Check back from time to time to see if any names or details about given registrants have been added. At present the data for only 15 states, all of them in the East (with the exception of Indiana) is included in the database but it is worth checking from time to time to learn what has been added. Each state archive should have ALL the original WW II draft registration cards. All of the cards are available on microfilm from NARA or from the LDS. Researchers interested in WW II draft records or any other records of ancestors that may be less than 50-75 years old should consider doing that as soon as possible. There are laws under consideration in various states and even at the federal level that could eventually restrict access to some of that data until it is 75-100 years old. The URL for the home pabe fo9r Ancestry.com database is: http://landing.ancestry.com/military/vday/world.aspx. The acrual database is: : http://www.ancestry.com/search/db.aspx?dbid=1002&o_iid=24436&o_lid=24436&o_it=21416 Some of the above is extracted from a posting by Dick Eastman on May 31, 2006 | Permalink Karen

It is very important to build a glossary when you research old documents. Not too long ago Karen Hobbs provided us with a list of professions and their meanings. Here is one more you may want to add to it. Emphiteuten: this means that this family had a legal land lease of land belonging either to the nobility, abbey or city. You will find this only before 1800. Often they needed additional pasture, especially when they were herding and raising sheep where a large grazing area was required in areas of poor soil. In modern terms we can compare it to a land lease from the Land Management or Forest Service. They also leased meadows for hay making in addition to their own deeded acreage. The term "emphiteuten" given as "profession" on a church register would mean that they farmed on a land lease. Aida

Hi Karen - I went through the entire list of topics. I found none on reading German scripting. There is one fellow who talks about Austrian Army records that I would have found interesting to attend. How do they find these speakers? Frank -----Original Message----- From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:21 PM To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Chicago conference next week There is a National Genealogical Society in Chicago area June 7-10 See more information about the conference at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/conf_program.cfm ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006

In a message dated 5/31/2006 9:14:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, barbarasrelatives@sbcglobal.net writes: An older map collection is on the UCLA website. See the Blaeu collection (drawn in the 1600s) at: http://www.library.ucla.edu/yrl/reference/maps/blaeu/index.htm Thanks for the URLs, Barbara. About the Blau maps: We have discussed the Berni Ruly -- the Tax Rolls of 1654 -- on this list. I mentioned that the districts drawn at that time were quite different from today's districts. The Berni Ruly is published in an alphabetical book of surnames for each didstrict at the time the tax rolls were compiled. There is also a composit index of all of the books that was published in 2002. The Blau Atlas has a map of Bohemia and one of Moravia that show the districts pretty much as they were when the Berni Ruly was done. There are also mapsn of Wurttemburg, Schwabia, Bavaria and the Bavarian Paltitinate which were the lands where some of our german ancestors originated before migrating to Bohemia. Karen

There is a National Genealogical Society in Chicago area June 7-10 See more information about the conference at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/conf_program.cfm

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OOHHHHHHH ;-) ..... and I'm NOT blonde either :-) - already did that :-) ... I don't give out or use my SS# ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Family Tree program OH YOU MISUNDERSTOOD!!! I MEANT FOR YOU TO CHANGE YOUR SECURITY NAME AT YOUR BANK , ON YOUR VISA ACCOUNT, OR ANYWHERE THEY ASK YOU FOR YOUR MOTHER'S MAIDEN NAME!! NOT IN YOUR PEDIGREE! For heavens sake! Aida -------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Family Tree program > Thanks Aida - but I'm not sure how FTP would not allow me to omit that > option ... and wouldn't it be easy enough to figure out maiden names > anyway? > I'm trying to wrap my brain around this.... > > say this scenario...ok, I'm living...my mom is living...so I have listed > Pam > PETname, mother's Veronica PETname ... but then her mother who is not > living > is listed, along with her husband...so anyone who wanted it could just > attach my dead grandfather's name to my mother's living name...and come up > with the same info as if I listed it?? Might be a step harder for them, > but > if they're going to get it ... they will won't they? And what about all > the > info supplied by Ancestry.com and the other sites....shoot - I can just > put > myname into google and come up with SS, address ect ect.... > > but thanks for the warning...I'll see what I can do > > Pam > > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, > FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, > MEES/MAES, > MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, > SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:46 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Family Tree program > > > Pam, you did a very nice job on your website! Congratulations. Be > careful, > however, that you have no living person mother's maiden-name retrievable > from your family page, because identity theft is a real threat and family > pages provide the sources. Often the mother's maiden name is used for a > personal ID on bank account, etc. Therefore, it is wise to make > arrangements > with the bank not to use your mother's or grandmother's maiden name, but > invent some other word for security. If a website gives you choices for > an > ID word, pick your favorite pet's name, the name of a city or some other > option, but never EVER use your immediate family's names. If you have > used > these names in the past, go back to the originator for another option and > make a change, immediately. You would be surprised to know how many > unscrupulous people these days are using their computers and time to trace > the IDs of others for personal and quite illegal gain. > Aida > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:17 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Need help with Family Tree program > > >> wow... what a hassel :-) ... but thank you - will do that >> >> I also figured out that once I import the files into fp thru my ged4web >> program, I can go directly to that page and edit - not sure which is >> easier >> :-) thanks though! >> >> Pam >> ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ >> Warrenton, MO >> http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com >> http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com >> Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, >> FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, >> MEES/MAES, >> MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, >> SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Ernst Ambros" <ernst@ambrosnet.de> >> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:27 AM >> Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Need help with Family Tree program >> >> >> With (e.g.) Family Tree Maker you need three steps: Fist export the data >> into GEDCOM format, second import the data into FTM (use another name) >> with field selection and omitt the notes-field. Third export the data >> again in GEDCOM format. >> >> Am Tue, 30 May 2006 23:44:24 +0200 hat Pam <pam@ewebexpress.com> >> geschrieben: >> >>> I know this is really off topic - but I've googled until my eyes are >>> gogga - how do I suppress 'NOTES' when exporting for upload my gedcoms?? >>> >>> thanks! >>> >>> >>> ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ >>> Warrenton, MO >>> http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com >>> http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com >>> Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, >>> FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, >>> MEES/MAES, >>> MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, >>> SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER >>> >>> >>> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >>> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mit freundlichen Grüßen >> Ernst Ambros >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the >> list? To browse the archives, go to: >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? > To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To browse the archives, go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/

Thanks Aida - but I'm not sure how FTP would not allow me to omit that option ... and wouldn't it be easy enough to figure out maiden names anyway? I'm trying to wrap my brain around this.... say this scenario...ok, I'm living...my mom is living...so I have listed Pam PETname, mother's Veronica PETname ... but then her mother who is not living is listed, along with her husband...so anyone who wanted it could just attach my dead grandfather's name to my mother's living name...and come up with the same info as if I listed it?? Might be a step harder for them, but if they're going to get it ... they will won't they? And what about all the info supplied by Ancestry.com and the other sites....shoot - I can just put myname into google and come up with SS, address ect ect.... but thanks for the warning...I'll see what I can do Pam ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ Warrenton, MO http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, MEES/MAES, MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aida Kraus" <akibb1@verizon.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 10:46 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Family Tree program Pam, you did a very nice job on your website! Congratulations. Be careful, however, that you have no living person mother's maiden-name retrievable from your family page, because identity theft is a real threat and family pages provide the sources. Often the mother's maiden name is used for a personal ID on bank account, etc. Therefore, it is wise to make arrangements with the bank not to use your mother's or grandmother's maiden name, but invent some other word for security. If a website gives you choices for an ID word, pick your favorite pet's name, the name of a city or some other option, but never EVER use your immediate family's names. If you have used these names in the past, go back to the originator for another option and make a change, immediately. You would be surprised to know how many unscrupulous people these days are using their computers and time to trace the IDs of others for personal and quite illegal gain. Aida --------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pam" <pam@ewebexpress.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 6:17 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Need help with Family Tree program > wow... what a hassel :-) ... but thank you - will do that > > I also figured out that once I import the files into fp thru my ged4web > program, I can go directly to that page and edit - not sure which is > easier > :-) thanks though! > > Pam > ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ > Warrenton, MO > http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com > http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com > Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, > FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, > MEES/MAES, > MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, > SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernst Ambros" <ernst@ambrosnet.de> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 2:27 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Need help with Family Tree program > > > With (e.g.) Family Tree Maker you need three steps: Fist export the data > into GEDCOM format, second import the data into FTM (use another name) > with field selection and omitt the notes-field. Third export the data > again in GEDCOM format. > > Am Tue, 30 May 2006 23:44:24 +0200 hat Pam <pam@ewebexpress.com> > geschrieben: > >> I know this is really off topic - but I've googled until my eyes are >> gogga - how do I suppress 'NOTES' when exporting for upload my gedcoms?? >> >> thanks! >> >> >> ~Pam Frierdich-Staley~ >> Warrenton, MO >> http://www.michael-steppig-family-tree.com >> http://www.frierdich-staley-familytree.com >> Looking for surnames of BANGERT, CINNAUGHT/CANNAUGHT, DIESEL, DILLON, >> FIELDS, FRIERDICH/FRIEDRICH, GOLD, HATTER/HOERTER, KIEFER, KRAFT, >> MEES/MAES, >> MENTEL, MICHALEK (MICHAEL/EAL), MITCHELL, PROBST, RAPP, REIS, SCHALLOM, >> SCHELLHORN, STALEY, STEPPIG, THOELE, WEBER >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> > > > > -- > Mit freundlichen Grüßen > Ernst Ambros > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN