And this is what it says on this Website link.... http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/sudet_crarch_en.html#ar "The reply time is normally between four and six weeks. According to our information this is not valid anymore, as some of the district archives don't accept any research inquiries from private persons any more; please ask at the archives before you send any research request (e.g. Archive Pilsen/Plzen doesn't accept research requests, as of March 2003) " Don, can you please tell us if you had a Czech genealogist with you or just a translator? We need to know because there is a group here interested in visiting the Pilsen Archives this Fall. Aida ---------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ondracek" <dondra30@bellsouth.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF >I want to add my comments. You can go to the Czech Republic archives and > research records. Some records are on film therefore you can research the > film. Other records you can research the actual documents. How do I > know, > well I was over there in 2003 and again in 2006 and did spend some time in > the archives. I know first hand. Yes, I did have, on some days, someone > with me who could translate. But other times after I had made requests > for > certain documents I was able to find information whether in German or > Czech. > Not knowing the languages I can use my eyes, I can recognize names, places > and dates. I write down the page numbers of each document and ask for > copies to be made of those pages. I have found documents dating back to > 1656 for my relatives. > > It is not true that a US citizen cannot do research in the archives. > Czech > researchers can also do research in those same archives. > > I have been there, I have seen, I have 100's of copies of pages of > original > documents. > > By the way I have used Czech researchers also. Note, this last visit > May-June 2006 I was fortunate to have been approached by Miroslav > Koudelka, > had conversation with him and he did help me with some of my searching, > reading some german documents for me. > > Believe if one is to make comments, please do some research, relate facts, > not mis-information. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:33 PM > To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF > > In a message dated 6/24/2006 10:16:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, > cburk@kiva.net writes: > Now, as capitalism flourishes, it > seems some bureaucrat has found a way to keep some folks gainfully > employed > (i.e. off of their welfare system) by requiring folks like me to hire a > researcher (1 time) or visit their country as a tourist (4 times). > A lot of the professional researchers are otherwise employed. Karel > Kysilka > is and engineer and on the upper level diplomatic staff at the Czech > Embassy > > in Berlin. Miroslav Koudelka is a professor at Charles University in > Prague > last I heard. Jakob Smid is a lawyer in Brunn. There is another one who > lives in or near Olomouc whose name I cannot recall right now. I don't > know > if > research is his only work. > > Vladimir Bohnic is a professional researcher who makes his living doing > research. > > Actually, I'm surprised (but pleased) that more struggling economies don't > have a similar policy. > They just don't seem to understand the financial value of their records > and > the kind of income Archives could generate from them if they would "go for > it." > > All I hear on the academic lists if that the Czech archives are > understaffed > > and what staff there is is overworked. That is why it is taking so long > for > them to get their act together for genealogists. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Go to this website of the archives where instructions are given. http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/SUD/sudet_crarch_en.html#ar and I am very glad that they supply records and microfilms again to individuals, or did you have special permission? It says here that it should be submitted in writing. Aida --------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Ondracek" <dondra30@bellsouth.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 1:12 PM Subject: RE: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF >I want to add my comments. You can go to the Czech Republic archives and > research records. Some records are on film therefore you can research the > film. Other records you can research the actual documents. How do I > know, > well I was over there in 2003 and again in 2006 and did spend some time in > the archives. I know first hand. Yes, I did have, on some days, someone > with me who could translate. But other times after I had made requests > for > certain documents I was able to find information whether in German or > Czech. > Not knowing the languages I can use my eyes, I can recognize names, places > and dates. I write down the page numbers of each document and ask for > copies to be made of those pages. I have found documents dating back to > 1656 for my relatives. > > It is not true that a US citizen cannot do research in the archives. > Czech > researchers can also do research in those same archives. > > I have been there, I have seen, I have 100's of copies of pages of > original > documents. > > By the way I have used Czech researchers also. Note, this last visit > May-June 2006 I was fortunate to have been approached by Miroslav > Koudelka, > had conversation with him and he did help me with some of my searching, > reading some german documents for me. > > Believe if one is to make comments, please do some research, relate facts, > not mis-information. > > Thanks, > > Don > > -----Original Message----- > From: KarenHob@aol.com [mailto:KarenHob@aol.com] > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 2:33 PM > To: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF > > In a message dated 6/24/2006 10:16:32 AM Mountain Standard Time, > cburk@kiva.net writes: > Now, as capitalism flourishes, it > seems some bureaucrat has found a way to keep some folks gainfully > employed > (i.e. off of their welfare system) by requiring folks like me to hire a > researcher (1 time) or visit their country as a tourist (4 times). > A lot of the professional researchers are otherwise employed. Karel > Kysilka > is and engineer and on the upper level diplomatic staff at the Czech > Embassy > > in Berlin. Miroslav Koudelka is a professor at Charles University in > Prague > last I heard. Jakob Smid is a lawyer in Brunn. There is another one who > lives in or near Olomouc whose name I cannot recall right now. I don't > know > if > research is his only work. > > Vladimir Bohnic is a professional researcher who makes his living doing > research. > > Actually, I'm surprised (but pleased) that more struggling economies don't > have a similar policy. > They just don't seem to understand the financial value of their records > and > the kind of income Archives could generate from them if they would "go for > it." > > All I hear on the academic lists if that the Czech archives are > understaffed > > and what staff there is is overworked. That is why it is taking so long > for > them to get their act together for genealogists. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

I'm watching this discussion with interest and would like to offer another perspective. I have to admit to being one who prefers to get what I want for free. I'm thinking that until ~17 years ago you couldn't even go to the CR to see records in their archives. Now, as capitalism flourishes, it seems some bureaucrat has found a way to keep some folks gainfully employed (i.e. off of their welfare system) by requiring folks like me to hire a researcher (1 time) or visit their country as a tourist (4 times). Actually, I'm surprised (but pleased) that more struggling economies don't have a similar policy. When I obtained my research in '92, I also found an invitation to become an importer and US distributor for some CR crafts. (I passed on the chance to become an international mogul.) Regards, Cliff Burk Bloomington IN

Hello Aida, You wrote in part: > It is just too bad that the only country not represented with microfilm > availablity is the Czech Republic and you have to hire a Czech genealogist > to actually look up the German records that should be under the ownership > of the German public and not the Czech Goverment! ******* The above is not true regarding only Czech Republic preventing LDS from microfilming records. Why should Bohemian records be given to German government archives? Bohemia is not in Germany. ______ Lavrentiy Krupniak .

In a message dated 6/24/2006 6:39:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, Aida writes: It is just too bad that the only country not represented with microfilm availablity is the Czech Republic and you have to hire a Czech genealogist to actually look up the German records that should be under the ownership of the German public and not the Czech Goverment! You can get all the Danish, Swedish, French, Polish, English, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, German, Romanian, Hungarian, even Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Indian records in their handwriting..... but not the German records that are deposited in the Czech archives. Aida, If that thinking were prevelent, none of us would be able to find records for our ancestors, since the ones for those who moved around would be sent who knows where, and even if you knew where the family came from, the records might be inaccessible just because you don't know where they are. For that point in their lives, at least, finding the records would be a daunting task. And the United States would be devoid of records, because they would not be in US but scattered all over the world. While the CR may not have had records filmed by LDS, they are available to ANYONE who wishes to see them - And don't believe ALL records even in the list of countries you presented are filmed by LDS. They are still working on it; however I know of many records from places I am interested in in other 'filmed' places that haven been filmed. They reside in their rightful places; where they were generated. LDS may film in an eccliastical archive or civil archive covering the same region but not both and the two sources are not identical, so many years for many places do not get filmed. Then one has to go there, or hire research to access those records not filmed. Ya' can't except LDS to guarantee to make the work for you easy. However, there are some LDS records filmed for the German settlements - by the LDS. In WWII, Germans 'repatriated' to a German archive records from some of German settlements in Bohemia. While in German, these records were filmed by LDS and are available as are other records.. After the 'cold' war, or maybe sooner, I am not sure, the records were retuned to their rightful places. Anettka

Aida, Thanks for the quick reply. It was six yrs ago when I was in the CZ Rep and on a tour, so didn't get to do but little researching, which was in Moravia. My cousin and I neither read CZ or German and therefore no use to even try looking at records. However, we were permitted to view the birth record of our grandfather, but wasn't able to handle the book, had to view in dim light, and not permitted to use a flash in trying to make a photo. They take extra precautions with these old records and I can respect that (may not like it <G>) Taking extra care in case some unusual flash eons (>) might damage the paper records and not discovered years from now. The CZ gov't requiring only CZ researchers to view records came about after our trip in 2000. One of the things I hated to see the CZ Rep. do. Aida Kraus <akibb1@verizon.net> wrote: Yes, until a few years ago you were able to go there and request either the record or microfilm and to the research yourself. Then they put restrictions on it and only genealogists are allowed to do the searches. In some instances they make exceptions. And this is not only for German Bohemians, but also for our Czech Bohemians, and my Czech friends are telling me that they are just as frustrated as we are when they see Skandinavians and others ordering a microfilm of their village from the LDS while they return empty handed. I actually think we should combine with the Czech List because they are running into the same problems. I guess that a combined effort would perhaps make it happen that they sell their microfilm records of the entire country to the Salt Lake City Archives. This way an old Czech Babicka or German Oma who has the time but not the money to purchase records could at least rent for $6.00 the roll of her ancestors village and use her poor old eyes to do some "work of love" for her children. Aida ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Mikeska" To: Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF > > > Aida Kraus wrote: There are no German microfilm > records originating in Bohemia available to researchers, you have to fly > to Europe and travel to Pilsen to view the microfilm roll! So they exist! > > Are you stating that researchers are not permitted to view the records, > but anyone flying to Pilsen can view them???? This isn't what I've heard. > I'm under the impression only researchers in the CZ Rep. are permitted to > work with the records. Newsstand they must be licensed and taught how to > handle the records for preservation purposes. I've heard comments of > Czech researchers that it so hard to find much information prior to the > 1500's in, what is now the Cz Rep, because very little was written down - > estimated 90% of populating could neither read or write and official > records were recorded in German, the language most officials knew, Hence, > records in German.. > > > > > Sir John, Earl of Berkshire > What good is information if not shared with others? > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Sir John, Earl of Berkshire What good is information if not shared with others?

Yes, until a few years ago you were able to go there and request either the record or microfilm and to the research yourself. Then they put restrictions on it and only genealogists are allowed to do the searches. In some instances they make exceptions. And this is not only for German Bohemians, but also for our Czech Bohemians, and my Czech friends are telling me that they are just as frustrated as we are when they see Skandinavians and others ordering a microfilm of their village from the LDS while they return empty handed. I actually think we should combine with the Czech List because they are running into the same problems. I guess that a combined effort would perhaps make it happen that they sell their microfilm records of the entire country to the Salt Lake City Archives. This way an old Czech Babicka or German Oma who has the time but not the money to purchase records could at least rent for $6.00 the roll of her ancestors village and use her poor old eyes to do some "work of love" for her children. Aida ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Mikeska" <jlmikeska@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF > > > Aida Kraus <akibb1@verizon.net> wrote: There are no German microfilm > records originating in Bohemia available to researchers, you have to fly > to Europe and travel to Pilsen to view the microfilm roll! So they exist! > > Are you stating that researchers are not permitted to view the records, > but anyone flying to Pilsen can view them???? This isn't what I've heard. > I'm under the impression only researchers in the CZ Rep. are permitted to > work with the records. Newsstand they must be licensed and taught how to > handle the records for preservation purposes. I've heard comments of > Czech researchers that it so hard to find much information prior to the > 1500's in, what is now the Cz Rep, because very little was written down - > estimated 90% of populating could neither read or write and official > records were recorded in German, the language most officials knew, Hence, > rewords in German.. > > > > > Sir John, Earl of Berkshire > What good is information if not shared with others? > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Aida Kraus <akibb1@verizon.net> wrote: There are no German microfilm records originating in Bohemia available to researchers, you have to fly to Europe and travel to Pilsen to view the microfilm roll! So they exist! Are you stating that researchers are not permitted to view the records, but anyone flying to Pilsen can view them???? This isn't what I've heard. I'm under the impression only researchers in the CZ Rep. are permitted to work with the records. Newsstand they must be licensed and taught how to handle the records for preservation purposes. I've heard comments of Czech researchers that it so hard to find much information prior to the 1500's in, what is now the Cz Rep, because very little was written down - estimated 90% of populating could neither read or write and official records were recorded in German, the language most officials knew, Hence, rewords in German.. Sir John, Earl of Berkshire What good is information if not shared with others?

I am new to the list and I'm learning a lot. Thanks to Aida and everyone who has responded to her emails. Someday I may figure out where to go to research my ancestor's. For now I'm enjoying the reading! Linde Carter

Sorry, Annetka, you are wrong, the records I am working off are original German from other countries, like Hungary, Romania, and Tyrol. These are records that were microfilmed in 1939 and shared with the world archives. I agree, that the original records must remain in the place of origin and that is why microfilms are used. There are no German microfilm records originating in Bohemia available to researchers, you have to fly to Europe and travel to Pilsen to view the microfilm roll! So they exist! The LDS does not microfilm the original records!! They just purchase the rolls from the individual countries and they told me that the Czech Republic will not sell it to them. The LDS just duplicates films for distribution to their research centers and consequently to people like us for research and often there are not enough, and there is a waiting time. Aida ----------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anettka@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:34 AM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Re: GERMAN-BOHEMIAN FTM vs PAF > In a message dated 6/24/2006 6:39:55 AM Pacific Standard Time, Aida writes: > It is just > too bad that the only country not represented with microfilm availablity is > the Czech Republic and you have to hire a Czech genealogist to actually look > up the German records that should be under the ownership of the German > public and not the Czech Goverment! You can get all the Danish, Swedish, > French, Polish, English, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, German, Romanian, > Hungarian, even Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Indian records in their > handwriting..... but not the German records that are deposited in the Czech > archives. > Aida, > > If that thinking were prevelent, none of us would be able to find records for > our ancestors, since the ones for those who moved around would be sent who > knows where, and even if you knew where the family came from, the records might > be inaccessible just because you don't know where they are. For that point in > their lives, at least, finding the records would be a daunting task. And the > United States would be devoid of records, because they would not be in US but > scattered all over the world. > > While the CR may not have had records filmed by LDS, they are available to > ANYONE who wishes to see them - And don't believe ALL records even in the list > of countries you presented are filmed by LDS. They are still working on it; > however I know of many records from places I am interested in in other 'filmed' > places that haven been filmed. They reside in their rightful places; where > they were generated. LDS may film in an eccliastical archive or civil archive > covering the same region but not both and the two sources are not identical, so > many years for many places do not get filmed. Then one has to go there, or > hire research to access those records not filmed. Ya' can't except LDS to > guarantee to make the work for you easy. > > However, there are some LDS records filmed for the German settlements - by > the LDS. In WWII, Germans 'repatriated' to a German archive records from some > of German settlements in Bohemia. While in German, these records were filmed > by LDS and are available as are other records.. After the 'cold' war, or maybe > sooner, I am not sure, the records were retuned to their rightful places. > > Anettka > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the list? To search the archives, go to: http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Why do the Chinese, the Japanese, even Indians share their microfilms with a Central Archive? You can find everything in Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, even Estonian, Latvian and a lot of Russian Records there. German records belong to the German people, also! Aida -------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence Krupnak" <LKrupnak@erols.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FTM vs PAF > Hello Aida, > > You wrote in part: > >> It is just too bad that the only country not represented with microfilm >> availablity is the Czech Republic and you have to hire a Czech >> genealogist >> to actually look up the German records that should be under the ownership >> of the German public and not the Czech Goverment! > > > ******* > > The above is not true regarding only Czech Republic preventing LDS > from microfilming records. > > Why should Bohemian records be given to German government archives? > Bohemia is not in Germany. > > ______ > > Lavrentiy Krupniak > > . > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To browse the archives, go to: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L/ >

In searching the Dutch files for my maternal grandmother's line I came across her great great grandfather Georgius Rochus Flos born 17 November 1718 in Bohemen. His parents were Joannes Flos and Cathri Senecus. I have work out that Bohemen is probably the Dutch spelling for Bohemia as this was very close to Holland in the 1700's but I can't find out exactly where he was born or anything about his parents other than their names. Can anyone help me? Regards Bernadette

One comment was made "and if you can't keep it correct, then you do need to get information from LDS records" .... also similar questions arrived by personal Email which I will answer here for the benefit of all. Unfortunately, I found some of these incorrect listings on personal websites which are most often not verified, something that would not pass at the LDS. But even name registers of the IGI lists countries like Czechoslovakia and Yugoslavia in 1750 or 1850 ... when these countries did not yet exist. There was not even a country called Poland in 1914 because it was a Kingdom under Russia, like the Bohemian Kingdom was part of Austria Hungary. Therefore, one must know history! This is part of genealogy and we have to educate ourselves by reading the history of the land we research, and we have to look up borders on old maps. It is a very exact study and cannot be fudged, because history is just that! I can read Karen's emphasis towards this end time and again on this list. Old atlas sources are of prime importance. And here is what we German Bohemians must do to keep the records correct: You must list on your data input records when they are predating 1918 (as an example below) ----Kuttenplan, German-Bohemia, Austria Hungary and in the notes we can say "presently the town's name Kuttenplan is Kutna Hora, Czech Republic, formerly Czechoslovakia." And if your ancestors are Czech Bohemians you must record: ----Podebrad, Czech Bohemia, Austria Hungary (until 1918) OR ----Podebrad, Czechoslovakia (after 1918) Czech towns in the Interior rarely had a German name were there was a predominantly Czech population. The area and the names will give you the clue whether your ancestors were of Czech or of German Bohemian ancestry. Many descendants do not know and some of their families are mixed. And to make it worse, often Germans have Czech names and Czechs have German names. That is quite common, because they lived side by side. Be it as it may, in each case they will have either German or Czech birth, marriage or death certificate. Since a genealogical data sheet must be copied from an original document, and that document is in the language of the individuals' ethnicity, there should not be a problem. It will give the person following you a clear picture of ethnicity and location. (If you copy from personal genealogical websites you must ask the author to reveal his source -town, country, register and page number- and be willing to defray some of his research costs. In the LDS this is not necessary, the data is verified at input and I have seen many records rejected because they did not carry a reference source.) As you go further back into the past, you will find all Church Records in Latin and then you will have to look at the very front of the Register to look at the name, it is at the start of the microfilm. A German name indicates a German village located in Austria Hungary. And then you must hunt so see in what country this town or village happens to be now, and you have to check if there is more than one name for this German settlement! There are German settlements that carry 3 names and then you know that there was a shift in borders and you must read up on history and find maps of these times. That is the only way If the church register is written in Latin and there are words in German, or Czech, or Hungarian, etc. that will be your clue! Especially when you go back to 1700 you will find that people did not mix as readily, even in cities they were living either in a German town or a Hungarian town, or a Polish town....etc. I hope that this will help in sorting through old records and making sense of it. Aida ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Mikeska" <jlmikeska@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FTM vs PAF > Aida, > > No question LDS is very helpful, information can be obtained, along with > help, regardless of what program you use. Whether a person uses the > correct county is something we all are faced with not and then, and if you > can't keep it correct, then you do need to get information from LDS > records.. > > I just think you are unfair to Family Tree Maker. I've used it for many > years now, as the 3rd program since starting genealogy. The second > program was PAF. > > Thanks for your reply. I did piece part of the question I asked you > about. > > > > > > Sir John, Earl of Berkshire > What good is information if not shared with others? > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN >

Hi, For the lists information,I purchased the Family Tree Maker 2006 at STAPLES this week for $ CAN 19 .95 , to me it seemed a good price. Herb Schwarz Ontario,Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: <KarenHob@aol.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 4:41 PM Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] Family Tree Maker and other software > If anyone wants to try a program without making a big investment you can > usually find the last year's (not the latest) edition at a software outlet > on the > Internet. > > A caution about purchasing software off Ebay. If it is not in a box or a > certified OEM version that can be registered it will probably turn out to > be a > pirated copy. There is no guarantee it will work and the pirates usually > will > not refund your money, they will only promise a new disk if one does not > work. > Be sure anything you buy at Ebay says you can register it. If there is a > caveat that it cannot be registered you can be pretty sure it is sold by a > pirate. > > Some Ebay vendors also sell multiple licenses for software so it can be > installed on several computers. My husband and I each have our own > systems and we > have a laptop for conferences. We also keep a very old PC for guests to > use > to collect email when they visit (we don't have to worry about them > collecting a virus that will damage one of the other systems that way). > So we really > need at least 2 licenses for each new software package. > > We only need 2 because more recent editions of many programs allow you to > install them on 2 systems -- the makers recognize that many people now > have > laptops as well as home systems. > > I have seen FTM delux 2005 for $19.95 at one of the software outlets I > use. > That is not a big savings over the $29.95 price for the 2006 version > ($49.95 > for the program with some data disks) but in the case of other programs > the > savings can be very substantial. > > In another few months that vendor may have a clearance on FTM 2005 and the > price may be cut in half. I have been able to purchase several programs > I > wanted from that vendor for less than $10 and have seen FTM in older > versions at > that price -- in the box with manual and data. > > Since FTM sells a lot of their data DVDs in separate packages, you really > don't need to get a super-duper box with everything in it. Some of the > databases > may not interest you at all. If you get a data disk of something like > the > SSDI it would be important to get the latest one. But if you want other > data > that already includes the years that interest you (like a US census), its > publication date may not be that important. > > If you buy the $49.95 package make sure that the data disks in it are the > ones you need. If not, it may be better to look for those disks as a > separate > purchase from some of the genealogy CD outlets before buying from FTM. > > Most software outlet vendor sites let you sign up for email notices of > specials which is a good idea if you like to stay up on what is about to > go out of > date. They also have a lot of special programs that you may not learn > about > elsewhere. > > I have the Oxfored English - Duden's pop up dictionary program that I > found > in an outlet email. It lets me do a quick search for a German word right > on > my system. You have to know enough German to figure out what the root > words > are within some of the words you want to translate but that does not take > very > long to learn. In some cases the dictionary has various forms of a verb > so > you do not have to know the infinitive form. > > If that pop up dictionary interests you, search the web with "Oxford-Duden > dictionary". I believe MyFamilySoftware.com is one vendor that has it. > > Internet outlets also have a search engine for you to enter the name of a > program you want so it is easy to learn comparative pricing from one > vendor to > another. You can find any number of them with Internet searches using > combos like, "computer software outlet" " software factory outlet" > "computer outlet" "software warehouse" or others that would stand for > clearance of > overstocks from other vendors. Not all their software is outdated. > Sometimes they have current stock from companies that went out of business > or did not > accept an order. > > If you buy an outdated version of software, after testing it you can go to > the websites with the information about the current year's upgrades > available > and what features may have been improved or what extras are in the box and > decide if it is worth getting. > > After you once have a program installed and registered (it does not matter > where you got the program) you can usually get the next year's program in > the > upgrade version for less than the new program for that same year. > > In some cases I have skipped a year and then installed an upgrade after 2 > years and still realized significant savings. > > If you use an outlet website for nothing more than to compare prices with > sale prices in local stores, it is still good information. Postage from > those > places is usually minimal and sometimes shipping is free so be sure you > know > the final cost of a given program before deciding where to purchase it. > The > disks from outlets usually arrive in 7-10 days or earlier if you request > faster > shipment. > > One type of software that some more-experienced computer users know about > is > the OEM versions of various popular programs. These versions usually > come > with a new computer and they do not have a manual with them. All you get > is the > disk, not the box. A typical OEM program in a new system package will be > virus protection from McAffee or Symantec (Norton). Another is a CD & DVD > burner > program that will come with a system that has a disk writer. > > I recently found a popular CD-DVD burner program that is $72 list price > for > $22 at one outlet. It was in the box with manual. It is a program I > have > been using for years and I don't believe I need the manual to be able to > use the > program features I need so that is not all that important to me. If you > are > burning music or video CDs or DVDs then a manual can be a great help. > > The popular program is the same on the LDS has on their microfilm > digitizers > at the FHCs. If you have a CD-DVD burner on your system you still have > to > have that program in order to read the files you copy to CD at an FHC. > The > alternative is to "close" the CD on which you have made copies of > microfilms so > the disk can be read on any system. When you do that you may not be able > to > add to the CD on future visits - you may have to use a new CD every time. > > Karen > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Would you like to see messages that were posted before you joined the > list? To search the archives, go to: > http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=GERMAN-BOHEMIAN > >

In a message dated 6/23/2006 3:22:20 PM Mountain Standard Time, bflynn1@optusnet.com.au writes: Joannes Flos and Cathri Senecus Bernadette, Those names seem to be Latin -- especially Senecus. I wonder if the priest even Latinized the surnames? If he did, your first job is to try to find out how to spell those names in German or Czech. If you have the original document with those names on it you might try enlarging it a bit to see if Senecus is misspelled. Both Germans and Czechs lived in Bohemia which was just west of Bavaria and north of Austris -- not all that close to the Netherlands. The Austrians ruled the Netherlands in 1718 and they kept military garrisons there. The Netherlands also provided the most important export ports in Europe back then and would attract a lot of German businesses associated with that trade. There are both business and military reasons why German Bohemians would be there. You might start by going to familysearch.org. On the home page is a place to enter a surname for a search. If you search with Flos you will find there were people by that name in Kutna Hora Bohemia (a city east of Prague). Kutna Hora was an important and very wealthy mining center during the early 18th Century. A lot of the miners and people associated with the mines were ethnic Germans. If you search with Senecus you get nothing. I believe that name is misspelled -- you have to find out what it really should be or try some variations yourself. Karen

If anyone wants to try a program without making a big investment you can usually find the last year's (not the latest) edition at a software outlet on the Internet. A caution about purchasing software off Ebay. If it is not in a box or a certified OEM version that can be registered it will probably turn out to be a pirated copy. There is no guarantee it will work and the pirates usually will not refund your money, they will only promise a new disk if one does not work. Be sure anything you buy at Ebay says you can register it. If there is a caveat that it cannot be registered you can be pretty sure it is sold by a pirate. Some Ebay vendors also sell multiple licenses for software so it can be installed on several computers. My husband and I each have our own systems and we have a laptop for conferences. We also keep a very old PC for guests to use to collect email when they visit (we don't have to worry about them collecting a virus that will damage one of the other systems that way). So we really need at least 2 licenses for each new software package. We only need 2 because more recent editions of many programs allow you to install them on 2 systems -- the makers recognize that many people now have laptops as well as home systems. I have seen FTM delux 2005 for $19.95 at one of the software outlets I use. That is not a big savings over the $29.95 price for the 2006 version ($49.95 for the program with some data disks) but in the case of other programs the savings can be very substantial. In another few months that vendor may have a clearance on FTM 2005 and the price may be cut in half. I have been able to purchase several programs I wanted from that vendor for less than $10 and have seen FTM in older versions at that price -- in the box with manual and data. Since FTM sells a lot of their data DVDs in separate packages, you really don't need to get a super-duper box with everything in it. Some of the databases may not interest you at all. If you get a data disk of something like the SSDI it would be important to get the latest one. But if you want other data that already includes the years that interest you (like a US census), its publication date may not be that important. If you buy the $49.95 package make sure that the data disks in it are the ones you need. If not, it may be better to look for those disks as a separate purchase from some of the genealogy CD outlets before buying from FTM. Most software outlet vendor sites let you sign up for email notices of specials which is a good idea if you like to stay up on what is about to go out of date. They also have a lot of special programs that you may not learn about elsewhere. I have the Oxfored English - Duden's pop up dictionary program that I found in an outlet email. It lets me do a quick search for a German word right on my system. You have to know enough German to figure out what the root words are within some of the words you want to translate but that does not take very long to learn. In some cases the dictionary has various forms of a verb so you do not have to know the infinitive form. If that pop up dictionary interests you, search the web with "Oxford-Duden dictionary". I believe MyFamilySoftware.com is one vendor that has it. Internet outlets also have a search engine for you to enter the name of a program you want so it is easy to learn comparative pricing from one vendor to another. You can find any number of them with Internet searches using combos like, "computer software outlet" " software factory outlet" "computer outlet" "software warehouse" or others that would stand for clearance of overstocks from other vendors. Not all their software is outdated. Sometimes they have current stock from companies that went out of business or did not accept an order. If you buy an outdated version of software, after testing it you can go to the websites with the information about the current year's upgrades available and what features may have been improved or what extras are in the box and decide if it is worth getting. After you once have a program installed and registered (it does not matter where you got the program) you can usually get the next year's program in the upgrade version for less than the new program for that same year. In some cases I have skipped a year and then installed an upgrade after 2 years and still realized significant savings. If you use an outlet website for nothing more than to compare prices with sale prices in local stores, it is still good information. Postage from those places is usually minimal and sometimes shipping is free so be sure you know the final cost of a given program before deciding where to purchase it. The disks from outlets usually arrive in 7-10 days or earlier if you request faster shipment. One type of software that some more-experienced computer users know about is the OEM versions of various popular programs. These versions usually come with a new computer and they do not have a manual with them. All you get is the disk, not the box. A typical OEM program in a new system package will be virus protection from McAffee or Symantec (Norton). Another is a CD & DVD burner program that will come with a system that has a disk writer. I recently found a popular CD-DVD burner program that is $72 list price for $22 at one outlet. It was in the box with manual. It is a program I have been using for years and I don't believe I need the manual to be able to use the program features I need so that is not all that important to me. If you are burning music or video CDs or DVDs then a manual can be a great help. The popular program is the same on the LDS has on their microfilm digitizers at the FHCs. If you have a CD-DVD burner on your system you still have to have that program in order to read the files you copy to CD at an FHC. The alternative is to "close" the CD on which you have made copies of microfilms so the disk can be read on any system. When you do that you may not be able to add to the CD on future visits - you may have to use a new CD every time. Karen

Aida, No question LDS is very helpful, information can be obtained, along with help, regardless of what program you use. Whether a person uses the correct county is something we all are faced with not and then, and if you can't keep it correct, then you do need to get information from LDS records.. I just think you are unfair to Family Tree Maker. I've used it for many years now, as the 3rd program since starting genealogy. The second program was PAF. Thanks for your reply. I did piece part of the question I asked you about. Sir John, Earl of Berkshire What good is information if not shared with others?

There might be a free subscription but the cc# will kick in at the end of the "free" period unless you put a stop to it. Learned long ago the fee lunch comes with a price. Bill Houdek bhoudek@swbell.net ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Schwarz" <schwarzs@ebtech.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census Records >A general comment to list members. Having just purchased the 2006, latest >edition of "Family Tree Maker" ( 15th). It includes a 90 day FREE >Subscription to Ancestry.com. - On attempting to register for the FREE >Subscription, a Credit Card number is required !!! Why would a Credit Card >number be requiered if it is FREE. I refused the offer as I was not willing >to provide a Credit Card Number. Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:10 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census > Records > > >> Here is the article from Ancestry.com concerning the census. >> >> Kathy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ancestry.com [mailto:myfamily@reply.myfamilyinc.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:56 PM >> To: gregory@giantcomm.net >> Subject: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census Records >> >> U.S. Census collection complete - 1790 to 1930 >> >> Celebrate the Census: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24773/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> We're excited to announce that we've completed our decade-long effort to >> offer you every publicly available U.S. Census record in one convenient >> place. This new content adds value to your membership. It could also help >> you add new chapters to your family story. >> >> With the launch of the fully indexed 1910 U.S. Census, Ancestry.com >> becomes >> the only online resource providing access to all U.S. Census records from >> 1790 to 1930. We hope you'll celebrate this accomplishment with us on >> Ancestry.com. >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24886/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> Here's what you'll find >> >> - Fascinating stories from the U.S. Census >> - An interactive map offering family facts >> - Fast access to the 1930 census U.S. Census (Free for three days if you >> don't already have access) >> >> Start now: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24774/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> >> Edit your account options or unsubscribe from this communication: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t5176/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> You are subscribed to Ancestry Special Offers as: gregory@giantcomm.net >> >> >> PRIVACY STATEMENT >> http://www.ancestry.com/legal/privacy.htm >> >> Ancestry.com does not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal >> information you provide us to third party advertisers. >> >> Questions? Comments? Please don't reply to this email as we cannot >> respond >> to messages sent to this address. Instead, visit our online help center >> to >> get answers to common questions: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6028/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> or send us a message: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6713/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> You can also contact us at: MyFamily.com, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, >> Provo, >> UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> >> > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >

Herb: Because most people don't cancel until they are billed. Anything good on the 15th edition? I'm still on 12. Frank Slocum ----- Original Message ----- From: "Herbert Schwarz" <schwarzs@ebtech.net> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census Records >A general comment to list members. Having just purchased the 2006, latest >edition of "Family Tree Maker" ( 15th). It includes a 90 day FREE >Subscription to Ancestry.com. - On attempting to register for the FREE >Subscription, a Credit Card number is required !!! Why would a Credit Card >number be requiered if it is FREE. I refused the offer as I was not willing >to provide a Credit Card Number. Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Gregory" <gregory@giantcomm.net> > To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:10 AM > Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census > Records > > >> Here is the article from Ancestry.com concerning the census. >> >> Kathy >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ancestry.com [mailto:myfamily@reply.myfamilyinc.com] >> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:56 PM >> To: gregory@giantcomm.net >> Subject: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census Records >> >> U.S. Census collection complete - 1790 to 1930 >> >> Celebrate the Census: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24773/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> We're excited to announce that we've completed our decade-long effort to >> offer you every publicly available U.S. Census record in one convenient >> place. This new content adds value to your membership. It could also help >> you add new chapters to your family story. >> >> With the launch of the fully indexed 1910 U.S. Census, Ancestry.com >> becomes >> the only online resource providing access to all U.S. Census records from >> 1790 to 1930. We hope you'll celebrate this accomplishment with us on >> Ancestry.com. >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24886/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> Here's what you'll find >> >> - Fascinating stories from the U.S. Census >> - An interactive map offering family facts >> - Fast access to the 1930 census U.S. Census (Free for three days if you >> don't already have access) >> >> Start now: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24774/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> >> Edit your account options or unsubscribe from this communication: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t5176/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> You are subscribed to Ancestry Special Offers as: gregory@giantcomm.net >> >> >> PRIVACY STATEMENT >> http://www.ancestry.com/legal/privacy.htm >> >> Ancestry.com does not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal >> information you provide us to third party advertisers. >> >> Questions? Comments? Please don't reply to this email as we cannot >> respond >> to messages sent to this address. Instead, visit our online help center >> to >> get answers to common questions: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6028/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> or send us a message: >> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6713/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >> >> You can also contact us at: MyFamily.com, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, >> Provo, >> UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> >> > > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? > Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html > >

To John Mileska: At our Family Research Center no data is accepted that has not been verified against the source. I do not know how Centers in other places are working, but I am very impressed with the help and knowledge of the volunteer people working there. So far, I have not run into any problems with their data, except that people are writing down the country for a birthplace, for instance, that did not even exist. For instance, an ancestor was born in Bohemia in 1850 at Marienbad, Austria Hungary. But what I find is this. John Doe, born 1850, Marianske Lazne, Czechoslovakia or even Czech Republic while that country did not even exist in 1850. The descendants will never find anything in Czech records because all the original records are in German. Even Czech genealogists have to learn German to read them. Perhaps they are now translating the original German records into Czech??? Now here is another: Jack Doe, born 1890, Temesburg, Banat, Rumania which was Hungary then and their records were in German, because the country still belonged to Austria Hungary and their official language was German while their international language was French (like English now) and you still can find the French language on the old passports of our ancestors from Austria Hungary. It could very well be that I have an outdated FTM because the subsorting into different kind of family trees never came out right and sometimes collapsed after 600 individual entries with their pictures and notes. The name saving of the Tree under "save as" was not accepted under a "specific name," unless you used their various codes, and then, finding out what is listed within the code you had to open it to see what it was. Or you had to make a note of it to yourself so you knew what was in this file. It was just too frustrating to go over the same thing again and again. At least the FTM now allows to convert to GED which was not possible a few years ago. I have uninstalled the FTM because now I am just working on my own pedigree for which the PAF is much easier. Although I am not a member of the Mormon church, I have only the very best experience with all of them, and I feel that a central depository is the absolute correct way to go. I have never been approached to become a member of their church, I have gotten all the help I needed, there is always friendliness in a newly appointed FRC with brand new computers and a very congenial atmosphere to work in. I have been able to find a fortune of information in their databanks. It is just too bad that the only country not represented with microfilm availablity is the Czech Republic and you have to hire a Czech genealogist to actually look up the German records that should be under the ownership of the German public and not the Czech Goverment! You can get all the Danish, Swedish, French, Polish, English, Spanish, Italian, Swiss, German, Romanian, Hungarian, even Russian, Chinese, Japanese and Indian records in their handwriting..... but not the German records that are deposited in the Czech archives. Aida ----------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Original Message ----- From: "John L. Mikeska" <jlmikeska@yahoo.com> To: <GERMAN-BOHEMIAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FTM vs PAF > Aida, > > I'm curious of what "all sorts of problems" you found using FTM. Maybe > I'm missing something and if so, would like to know about it. I've looked > at PAF couple times in the past, and it didn't measure up to FTM, other > than being adapted to LDS input, if need be. PAF may have improved in the > past few years. Think you can put in more generations now, and printout > of trees is now supported. > > Nice to access other genealogist data, but I would not accept it as > 'gospel', for many people do not check out their data or provide > documentation. If you do not check it out and circulate the incorrect > data, spreads the incorrect information further. > > > Aida Kraus <akibb1@verizon.net> wrote: > To: Herbert Schwarz > I am no longer working with the Family Tree Maker because I found all > sorts of problems. I am now using the Personal Ancestry File disk from the > LDS which is available for $5.00. You can data-input all your document > information onto this disk and send it to the PAF bank at the Salt Lake > City > Archives. In this way all your information on your disk will be stored at > the Salt Lake City archives and these are accessible to your progeny for > all > times to come. You do not have to be a member of the Mormon Church to > access their archives. Since they have a base inventory of 21 Million > ancestors from all over the world, I was able to connect to some older > branches of my family which were already on file and were researched by > someone else who had also deposited their information at the LDS archives. > If everyone would use this source, we could combine all our efforts and > avoid a lot of duplicate work. In some cases I was able to continue back > to > 1616. In other words, it is a depository for all our research to be shared > by everyone for very little expense. > Aida > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Herbert Schwarz" > To: > Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:46 AM > Subject: Re: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census > Records > > >>A general comment to list members. Having just purchased the 2006, latest >>edition of "Family Tree Maker" ( 15th). It includes a 90 day FREE >>Subscription to Ancestry.com. - On attempting to register for the FREE >>Subscription, a Credit Card number is required !!! Why would a Credit Card >>number be requiered if it is FREE. I refused the offer as I was not >>willing >>to provide a Credit Card Number. Herb Schwarz, Ontario,Canada >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kathleen Gregory" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:10 AM >> Subject: [GERMAN-BOHEMIAN] FW: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census >> Records >> >> >>> Here is the article from Ancestry.com concerning the census. >>> >>> Kathy >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ancestry.com [mailto:myfamily@reply.myfamilyinc.com] >>> Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 1:56 PM >>> To: gregory@giantcomm.net >>> Subject: Now Complete: 140 Years of U.S. Census Records >>> >>> U.S. Census collection complete - 1790 to 1930 >>> >>> Celebrate the Census: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24773/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> We're excited to announce that we've completed our decade-long effort to >>> offer you every publicly available U.S. Census record in one convenient >>> place. This new content adds value to your membership. It could also >>> help >>> you add new chapters to your family story. >>> >>> With the launch of the fully indexed 1910 U.S. Census, Ancestry.com >>> becomes >>> the only online resource providing access to all U.S. Census records >>> from >>> 1790 to 1930. We hope you'll celebrate this accomplishment with us on >>> Ancestry.com. >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24886/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> Here's what you'll find >>> >>> - Fascinating stories from the U.S. Census >>> - An interactive map offering family facts >>> - Fast access to the 1930 census U.S. Census (Free for three days if you >>> don't already have access) >>> >>> Start now: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24774/t7815/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> >>> Edit your account options or unsubscribe from this communication: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t5176/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> You are subscribed to Ancestry Special Offers as: gregory@giantcomm.net >>> >>> >>> PRIVACY STATEMENT >>> http://www.ancestry.com/legal/privacy.htm >>> >>> Ancestry.com does not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal >>> information you provide us to third party advertisers. >>> >>> Questions? 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Instead, visit our online help center >>> to >>> get answers to common questions: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6028/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> or send us a message: >>> http://www.ancestry.com/s24775/t6713/e200606221256110045232050737/rd.ashx?AT >>> T=xBen3jnS6ACQy8e2%5F992YG%2ACvPAEzTDA0%5FUED >>> >>> You can also contact us at: MyFamily.com, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, >>> Provo, >>> UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service. >>> >>> >>> >>> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >>> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >>> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== >> Forgotten how to UNSUBSCRIBE? >> Visit http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/mailinglist/mailinglist.html >> > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ > > > > > Sir John, Earl of Berkshire > What good is information if not shared with others? > > > ==== GERMAN-BOHEMIAN Mailing List ==== > Visit the German-Bohemian Heritage Society Web Page! > http://www.rootsweb.com/~gbhs/ >